{{rail-station-stub}}

Category:Rail stubs is getting pretty large. A significant fraction of the articles in there are about railway stations, so I'm thinking about adding a new subcategory of Category:Rail station stubs and an associated stub tag. Let me know if there are any objections. JYolkowski // talk 01:14, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What proportion of those stations are in London? A London-rail-stub might solve a lot of the problem, and save having a stub that cuts into the subcategories of struct-stub (it might well take things out of both UK-struct-stub and US-struct-stub as well as the main struct-stub category). Grutness| ^hello? 06:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't think there's a lot of them from London proper (underground stations should be in LUL-stub anyway), although I think I see what you're saying in that separating them out geographically is probably a good idea since the structures stub category is as well. JYolkowski // talk 13:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How about {{ukstation-stub}} and {{usstation-stub}} (and ones for other countries) to help people to find them from their countries. TAS 09:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think that makes sense. I'll go with that unless there are any further objections. {{australiastation-stub}} is another big one. One more little thing, would it be better to have a dash between the country name and station in the template name or not? JYolkowski // talk 13:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The reason I was wondering about London is I came across 30 or 40 London rail (not tube) stations while going through UK-struct-stub, and there is now a London WikiProject. UK-station-stub would probably be a reasonable compromise though. With a dash, as in UK-geo-stub and UK-bio-stub. Note the capitals, too. As with US-geo-stub and US-bio-stub, the capitals are where they are in the name of the country. Grutness| ^hello? 11:38, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cool, I'll create US-station-stub, UK-station-stub and Australia-station-stub shortly. JYolkowski // talk 13:29, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually I didn't create the Australia one (yet) since there isn't an Australian structure stub category. I'll see how much I can get out of Category:Rail stubs first and then see whether I still need it. JYolkowski // talk 13:46, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I didn't make an aussie struct-stub category when I made the other two... I'll have a look at the generic struct-stubs sometime soon and see whether there are enough Australian ones for their own category. Grutness| ^hello? 22:47, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Update - not really. Only 20 Aussie structure stubs in the Struct-stub category. Then again, there are probably quite a number in Australia-geo-stub... Grutness... wha? 09:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC) reply

Pleased see the note below at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#proposing changing station about problems relating to the naming of these categories! Grutness... wha? 06:53, 27 May 2005 (UTC) reply

update: See note under Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#AU-depot-stub, below.

Splitting {{ Org-stub}}

This category's getting several pages long. I have already started with {{ UK-org-stub}} and I propose the following to go on with:

• {{ US-org-stub}}
• {{ poli-org-stub}}
• {{ sci-org-stub}}

Joe D (t) 01:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC) reply

Beware of making such a distinction - there exist articles on many US political organizations, so you'd end up with a mess if you left people the free choice. -- Joy [shallot] 09:33, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agreed - just split things along one dimension (which in this case would be by country). If there seem to be too many stubs in one country, then consider splitting it by a second dimension (type of org) later. Grutness... wha? 02:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{ singer-stub}} *created*

I think people are putting singers and vocalists into either the {{ music-stub}} and {{ musician-stub}} categories, but those are only rough fits. There is already an {{ opera-singer-stub}}, but I think that there should also be a generic {{ singer-stub}}. BlankVerse ∅ 15:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorting any singer I find in {{ music-stub}} to {{ musician-stub}}. Singers are musicians. But musician-stub itself is hopelessly crowded and should be split up. I'd rather split it by genre than by role, even though some say it can't be done. --  grm_wnr Esc 20:45, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think that most people are probably like me--when they think of musicians, their first idea is of instrumentalists only. Most singers are known primarily as singers, or maybe singer-songwriters. There are not that many that are really well known as both singers and instrumentalists ( Nat King Cole is the first one that comes to mind).

Trying to fit some people into different genres is going to be very easy for some people, but where in the heck would you fit a genre-crossers like Lyle Lovett (singer-songwriter?)? BlankVerse ∅ 04:02, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think of a singer as a muscian without confusion, the instrument being their voice. Courtland 17:57, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

I'd put Lovett into country-musician-stub without hesitation, since that seems to be his primary genre. If he's really that much of a crossover artist, double tag with jazz-musician-stub. Alternatively, it could be argued that singer/songwriter is a genre in itself - but there are tons of singers (and even more vocalists, which I'd suggest you use if subdivision by role is deemed more workable) that don't fit in there, but somewhere else. -- a non-logged in User:Grm wnr from 84.147.232.130 18:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I see singer-stub got added, created by User:Infrogmation.— Wahoofive ( talk)

Do rappers go in singer-stub?— Wahoofive ( talk) 19:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My personal answer is no. A rapper-stub would actually be more productive, as the differences are substantial enough for editors to be interested in one subject and not on the other. -- Sn0wflake 20:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Really? I would have to disagree. I see them all as being forms of musical expression, with voice being the instrument of choice. Having said that though, a rapper-stub child would certainly be a suitable child branch, assuming of course that there were sufficient number of stubs to populate said branch. -- TheParanoidOne 21:46, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shame this series of comments wasn't brought up until after singer-stub was created - it seems to me that vocalist-stub would have been a far better name, as it would unequivocally (no pun intended) cover both "singers" and "rappers" and those vocalists that do both. Grutness... wha? 00:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay... let's be more constructive, James... Are there enough rappers for their own stub, as a subcat of singer-stub? Grutness... wha? 8 July 2005 11:22 (UTC)

Comedy stub

Called for "Comedy". I'm sure 'rere's alot small articles about comedies around, never really "finished"-ones. 'rerefore, I suggest 'ris. OleMurder 15:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) Who's with me?-- OleMurder 15:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mmm. This one cuts across so very many categories that it wouldn't be a good idea, really: TV, radio, books, comics, film... there's already a comedian stub, and there was talk a while back of making a Tv-comedy-stub, if those two help... Grutness... wha? 02:19, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Split of musician-stub

In order to remove quite a few entries from musician-stub I am going to create a few subcategories, initially to be used for the most common kinds of musicians: singer-stub, guitarist-stub, bassist-stub and drummer-stub. In the future more might be required, but those would be good enough for now. -- Sn0wflake 23:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Then make {{ opera-singer-stub}} a subcat of singer-stub? — Wahoofive ( talk) 04:56, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

An update: Category:Musician stubs now includes:

• composers - {{ composer-stub}} - 635 articles
• singers - {{ singer-stub}} - 323 articles
  • opera singers - {{ opera-singer-stub}} - 100 articles
• guitarists - {{ guitarist-stub}} - 141 articles
• drummers - {{ drummer-stub}} - 36 articles
• bassists - {{ bassist-stub}} - 118 articles

There's also {{ band-stub}} with over a thousand articles, that should be the next split target. Rock band, pop band, classical ensemble, ...? -- Joy [shallot] 8 July 2005 09:44 (UTC)

Regarding the stub counts, I'm currently working on moving articles from bio-stub to the musician hierarchy, so I imagine those numbers will increase quite a bit. -- TheParanoidOne 8 July 2005 12:13 (UTC)

Um, we are all currently working on moving articles from bio-stub everywhere else, so all counts will increase :) -- Joy [shallot]

Heh. True :) -- TheParanoidOne 8 July 2005 19:54 (UTC)

{{ mast-stub}} or {{ tower-stub}} (*created as mast-stub)

There are at least 80 stubs already included in Category:Buildings and structures stubs that deal with various masts and transmission towers. Such towers seem to be of interest to some people on Wikipedia, as is evidenced by this year's VfD consensus proposal on the subject, and by articles like List of masts. Putting a stub like mast-stub or tower-stub within struct-stub would make it easier to develop these articles. NatusRoma 06:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Coincidentally, I'm busy sorting through the struct-stubs right now, tallying up to see if we need any further splits of it. If we do, the primary split would most logically be by location rather than type of structure, but I see no reason why some types of structure couldn't also be split as a secondary stub (coupled with a more general struct-stub by location, as is done with museum-stub). masts and stadia are the two types of building that seem to crop up most often (tower is a bit vague, since it could refer to anything from skyscrapers to parts of castles). So although I'm a little dubious of splitting by anything other than location, mast-stub does sound possible. Grutness... wha? 06:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

When I find these they almost always can be stubbed with {{ Broadcasting-stub}} or a child thereof, and I double-stub them with a struct-stub template if there is a geographically specific one available. As there is a "structures by use" section on WP:WSS/ST maybe it would be appropriate to create {{ Broadcasting-struct-stub}} which would include the so-purposed items that would go into the proposed stub template as well as things like Broadcasting_House and similar items. Note that there are likely more non-templated stubs to be found in Category:Guyed masts. This is a place where the geography-versus-purpose discussion gets a little murky because I don't know of any typical person who would be able to say a lot about a TV tower even if it were visible from their living room window; it's kind of an esoteric interest. Courtland 14:08, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

I'd still favour {{ mast-stub}} (or maybe {{ transmitter-stub}}?). After going through all the struct-stubs, there are a huge number of masts, but I don't recall more than one or two broadcasters' buildings, if that. There's nothing to stop the Category:Mast stubs (or whatever) beig a child of both struct and bcast. This is a case where our naming system falls down, btw - bcast stubs have double-barreled names, struct-stubs don't. Grutness... wha? 03:25, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good, {{ Mast-stub}} as a child of both {{ Struct-stub}} and {{ Broadcasting-stub}}, where the parent-child relationship is inclusive rather than exclusive. Going back a long way to explain the inclusive/exclusive .. exclusive would mean that the members of a child category must all be describable by all parent categories, which in this case would mean that masts not utilized for broadcasting would be excluded; inclusive would mean that most of the members of a child category could also be placed into the parent categories, but not necessarily all member articles, meaning that a mast might or might not be used for broadcasting, but that most of the masts are used for broadcasting. Courtland 17:32, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Okay - {{ mast-stub}} is up and running. Now it just needs to be filled. This will cut across the structures by location idea, but in this case I think this is one of those rare cases where it's far more likely that someone will know about the technical aspects of a mast if they're interested in masts than if they're intereested in a particular geographic area. Grutness... wha? 6 July 2005 05:49 (UTC)

{{ Egypt-stub}} -> {{ ancient-Egypt-stub}}?

It seems logical to move the template talking about ancient Egypt to that name, and leave Egypt-stub for the modern Egypt. -- Joy [shallot] 11:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was going to suggest something similar myself once Egypt got close to 100 geo-stubs (it's about 70 now, and is likely to be one of the next ones split off). Not so sure about the name, though - something like {{ Egyptology-stub}} might be better. Grutness... wha? 12:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Moving this to sfd for renaming. Grutness... wha? 2 July 2005 02:07 (UTC)

{{ Suri-stub}} (*created as Suriname-stub}

There are many Suriname-related stubs on Wikipedia, but none of them have been labelled as such. Some of them relate to the geography of Suriname (for instance the articles in the Districts of Suriname template), some relate to the politics of Surinam (e.g. BPRD, New Front and NDP), some relate to people from Suriname (e.g. Venetiaan, Wijdenbosch and Brunswijk). I hereby propose three stub categories ({{ Suri-geo-stub}}, {{ Suri-poli-stub}} and {{ Suri-bio-stub}}), or one stub category {{ Suri-stub}} covering all of these articles. Aecis 19:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suriname- rather than Suri- would be preferrable. Assuming there are a sufficient number of articles to populate these, I don't seee there being any problem with them, as they fit in to the existing hierarchy quite nicely. -- TheParanoidOne 19:58, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In a short search I've found about 50 Suriname-related stubs, so filling the category shouldn't be much of a problem. And there are many Suriname-related topics that don't have an article yet, so they will likely be stubs for some time, before growing to decent-sized articles. Aecis 20:05, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suriname-stub, yes. The others - not yet (the general rule is you create the stub template after you have the articles, not the other way round. There's nowhere near enough at the moment - there are currently only 12 Suriname geo stubs, for instance, which is far too few for a separate category. I'd advise double stubbing (Suriname-stub and bio/geo/whatever-stub) - in the case of geo it would be SouthAm-geo-stub, BTW. Grutness... wha? 00:19, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

About two weeks have now gone by without any objections, so I have proceeded to create the {{ Suriname-stub}} template. Aecis 8 July 2005 23:03 (UTC)

{{ India-politician-stub}} *created*

The Politician stubs page is quite large, and there appear to be quite a few Indian politicians with stub articles (some are listed there, some under Indian people stubs). I'd estimate about half of Category:Indian politicians articles are stubs (some are not marked as such, most in are arbitrarily in one of the two aforementioned stub categories), along with a few in its subcategories. So that'd be around 70 articles in that'd go under {{ india-politician-stub}} if it were created. Mairi 30 June 2005 00:15 (UTC)

This would probably be a reasonable one. The politicians category does need splitting, and this would reduce it considerably, I'd think. Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 01:49 (UTC)

{{ crime-book-stub}}

After browsing through the {{ book-stub}}s, I feel the dire need to have this one; after first count there are approximately around a 100 of them. Lectonar 30 June 2005 13:28 (UTC)

• I have no objection to this split, but wonder if it might be better named {{ mystery-book-stub}} after the traditional mystery genre? -- Allen3  ^talk June 30, 2005 14:05 (UTC)
  • The {{ crime-book-stub}} could include real-crime books, which wouldn't be covered by the mystery-stub Lectonar 30 June 2005 14:37 (UTC)
    • created today, with massive help from User:Grutness Lectonar 4 July 2005 13:47 (UTC)
      • Fuff. Fixing a link is not "massive help"! :) Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 13:51 (UTC)

{{ orthodoxy-stub}} *created*

Analogous to the Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican stubs, a stub for Eastern Orthodox Christianity-related articles. There are a number of articles with {{ reli-stub}} that would fit into this category: Apostolnik, Association for the unification of Islam and Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Cyril (Patriarch), Epanokamelavkion, Living Church, Malankara Jacobite Orthodox Church (before split), New Skete, and Prosphora. Additionally, there are several articles in the subcategory {{ christianity-stub}} that would fit: Catholic-Orthodox joint declaration of 1965, Cappadocian Fathers, Cappadocian philosophers, Early Christianity, Eastern Christianity, Engolpion, Eparchy, Fraction (religion), Hypostatic Union, Lavra, Monothelitism, Old calendarists, Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric, Orthodox Study Bible, Peter Mogila, Philokalia, Proskynetarion, Sobor, and Standing Conference of Orthodox Bishops in America. JHCC (talk) 30 June 2005 16:56 (UTC)

Sounds fair - catholicism, protestantism, and orthodox christianity are probably the three biggest goups within Christianity. ooks like there are quite a few stubs, too. Grutness... wha? 1 July 2005 05:25 (UTC)

Stub created, above articles restubbified. JHCC (talk) 6 July 2005 15:41 (UTC)

{{ architect-stub}} *created*

While it's possible, I'm reluctant to sort architects together with engineers and inventors. -- Joy [shallot] 1 July 2005 17:07 (UTC)

I agree that {{ architect-stub}} would be useful, and have a fair number of articles that don't have a good place otherwise. -- Mairi 6 July 2005 02:08 (UTC)

engineers and inventors? And I've been reluctant about grouping them in with artists! Looks like this one would be useful. Grutness... wha? 8 July 2005 08:22 (UTC)

Heh. Done. -- Joy [shallot] 8 July 2005 14:06 (UTC)

{{ Indonesia-stub}} *created

Hi. I just established Wikipedia:Indonesia-related_topics_notice_board to try to coordinate efforts to improve Indonesia pages. I'd like to create a general Indonesia stub, under "Place-related, by region - general" / "Asia" / "Indonesia" , along the lines of the other stubs that are listed. This would go along with the Indonesia geo-stub, {{{{Indonesia-geo-stub}}}} which is already in use.

There are a number of existing articles for which this would apply, most of whom are about people: a number of persons on List of Vice Presidents of Indonesia are listed under various stubs including "People" "Biographical" and "Politician" ; there's also stuff related to Indonesian elections/politics that got put in Category:Politics_stubs and Category:Election related stubs . I'd like it if they could be put into one category, to get Indonesianists to take a peek at them. -- Daniel July 1, 2005 19:27 (UTC)

Given that you say most of them are about people, would Indonesia-bio-stub actually be more useful? Or perhaps start with Indonesia-stub and if it gets too big then that would be a logical one to spin off. ("Indonesianist" - my new word for the day...) Grutness... wha? 3 July 2005 10:08 (UTC)

To elaborate a little further, I've talked with some other folks on the Indonesia-related topics notice board. One of the things I hear a lot is that Sukarno and Suharto's entries are very lengthy, and that parts of them could be taken out and made into the basis for articles on historic events (and of course, they'll start out as stubs). Furthermore, some information from these articles on historical events could be summarized and put into what are now stubs under various categories. Having one broadly defined {{Indonesia-stub}} would put all these articles under one roof where they can be sorted out. In the future, subcategories could be devised, but at the moment the main thing we're dealing with is getting those generally interested and knowledgeable in Indonesia to work in concert, rather than haphazardly.-- Daniel July 4, 2005 06:19 (UTC)

Fair enough. A general Indonesia category does sound reasonable... do you think there are 50 or more stubs already existing that can take this template? If so I don't think there'd be too many objections. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:25 (UTC)

By my last count there should be about 35 stubs related to Indonesian politicians, political parties, or major political groups. There are about 20 or so stubs that are for Indonesian celebrities and historic events.-- Daniel July 4, 2005 21:58 (UTC)

Plenty of stubs, a WikiProject to support it... done! Grutness... wha? 7 July 2005 09:00 (UTC)

{{ chessplayer-stub}} ({{ chess-bio-stub}}) *created*

Looks like we have a fair amount of chess players who have bio-stub+chess-stub, this would neatly merge these. -- Joy [shallot] 2 July 2005 22:56 (UTC)

• Support. Over 50% of entries in Category:Chess stubs are about chess players. Maybe it should be named chessplayer-stub, as many occupation-related stub templates are. Conscious 3 July 2005 09:15 (UTC)
• Support, and agree that "chessplayer-stub" would be better - it would keep it in line with most sports biography stub types in general, which this could loosely be classified as. Grutness... wha? 3 July 2005 10:05 (UTC)

Done. -- Joy [shallot] 8 July 2005 13:11 (UTC)

{{ euro-hist-stub}} (*R {{ EuroHist-stub}}) *created*

It occurs to me that while Russia and the US have their own stub categories, there isn't one for just plain European History stubs, though those seem to make up a good number of the 700+ History stubs. I'm pretty much a noob at this stub template thing and have no idea where to even begin, so if someone could do this or tell me how, that would be swell. Maadio 5 July 2005 02:01 (UTC)

Well, we could start with "don't make the template until you've debated it here", "give the template a name according to the WP:WSS naming guidelines", and "create the category and name it properly...", but there is probably a call for having a separate European history stub category. It's not a high priority, and is a difficult one - it's far better to separate out the countries we can pare off easily, then see what's left. Note that there is debate further up this page about a possible German history stub, but it got bogged down in exactly what Germany is. Europe, though it seems easier, is not - things like the Ottoman Empire and Moorish Spain make this a difficult category to put an exact limitation on. As to the template itself, I've moved it to {{ Euro-hist-stub}} and created the category (with a slightly different name to the one you had as a red-link). If no-one objects in the next few days, it'll be okay to use it, but please follow the guidelines next time! (On a related note, I see Category:Historical stubs is full of bio-stubs again! grrrr!) Grutness... wha? 5 July 2005 11:29 (UTC)

Sorry if I screwed something up. I'm very new here and have gotten a bit gung-ho about the projects going on. Anyway I looked for a page on specific naming conventions regarding stub categories, but I must be quite daft or blind or something because I can't find it and I'm fairly certain there must be one. About the European history stub category -- is it possible to have subcategories of subcategories? It seems to me like all the european countries could more easily be sorted into european history as subcategories while articles relating to all of Europe, for instance those dealing with the Napoleonic Wars or something, could remain simply "european." Does that work at all or am I making stuff up? Again, I'm sorry for being a noob. Everybody has to be at some point. 6 July 2005 03:39 (UTC)

S'alright - sorry if I sounded grumpy before. The naming conventions are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. You're right, the different country categories could be subcategories if Category: European history stubs, which is what will happen unless there are objections here in the next few days to the category existing. Grutness... wha? 6 July 2005 05:31 (UTC)

That was the tip of the iceberg

Extended MEP-stub

Now on WP:SFD -- TheParanoidOne 30 June 2005 20:11 (UTC)

Stateinsigniastub

Now on WP:SFD. -- TheParanoidOne 6 July 2005 20:12 (UTC)

Tourism-stub

I fixed this one up a wee bit. It's moderately promising. -- Joy [shallot] 8 July 2005 10:21 (UTC)

Comments

The MEP one's template wording is better than on the standard template, so perhaps it's more a merge than a redirect.. FWIW I'd vote

• keep: tourism
• redirect/merge: MEP

And would be undecided about the others Grutness| ^hello? 01:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC) reply

A few more

I used another method, searching for "Stub" in the Template: namespace (like this: [1]). Here goes:

hawaii-stub

Seems to be in use. Note that it is not a geo-category (those geo US-west-geo-stub). Grutness... wha? 23:55, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

sect-num-stub

sect-num-stub had long existed as sectstub and was listed at the template list as such, and when I moved it I updated its listing over there. I didn't notice that it was missing elsewhere. Read the fine talk page :) -- Joy [shallot] 22:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC) reply

Stubberg, Pt. 3

Umm, yes there are quite a few new ones.

fo-stub

Now redirected to {{ faroe-stub}} so that it does complement {{ faroe-geo-stub}}. I still think that both should be "Faroes" rather than "Faroe", and the category name is a bit unfortunate (Faroe Islands stubs would have been far better than Category:Faroese stubs) - I may end up taking this to sfd for renaming. Note that there are now just 11 stubs with this template - the 20 included nine that should have had the geo-stub. Grutness... wha? 9 July 2005 11:01 (UTC)

Comments

I also added {{ Uncategorized stub}}, a harmless redirect to {{ stub}}, to the stub types list. We need SfD. --  grm_wnr Esc 01:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC) reply

...and fast! Whoof. Okay. here's mytake on a few of these:

• fo-stub - "sits alongside faroe-geo-stub... yes it does, but not with that name! rename as Faroe-stub

Perhaps if we really flood TFD and CFD with templates, then sfd will go ahead! Grutness... wha? 01:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ BDSM-stub}}

Not sure about this one. I can see the reason for the separate template and category (I had to create the category, BTW, since it wasn't there), {{ sex-stub}} is only on about 200 articles. There are a considerable number of articles that could go in the BDSM stub category (at a cursory glance I'd say 30 or so, but I'm a bit embarrassed to list them here!), but the edge (if you'll pardon the term) is a bit vague - some articles like Fire play, Switch (sexuality), and Bizarre (fetish magazine) are somewhere between BDSM and general fetishism, so we'd want to know where to, um, draw the line. Other than that, I don't see any harm in this stub category. Grutness... wha? 13:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) (the things you end up writing about in Wikipedia...)

(this arrived at almost the same time...) This stub was added to WP:WSS/ST. It is used by only one article. It has a redlink category. (This should possibly be moved to the proposals section ...) -- TheParanoidOne 13:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(then this was posted at the bottom of the page)I just spotted that I didn't follow process in creating Template:BDSM-stub; I just thought that I might make a case for it -- if you look at the sex-stub articles, a great many of them (30% or more?) appear to be on specfically BDSM topics, which I thought was enough to create a new stub category. In my opinion, BDSM is probably specialized enough to have a stub category of its own, as a subcategory of the overall sex category. Please remove it if you disagree. -- Karada 13:09, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've just gone through all the sex-stubs and populated this one. Not quite 50, but a reasonable number all the same. (I also learnt a lot I didn't know and quite a bit I didn't want to while doing this! Some of those philias and fetishes...!) Grutness... wha? 06:31, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The question is, where is the line drawn? Do we need a stub catogory for every single fetish, and if we don't, is that discrimination? I think just one sex-related stub group would be fine. Coolgamer June 29, 2005 21:39 (UTC)

I know what you mean. But BDSM is a major fetish, and accounted for a quarter of the sex stubs. One option (but only if the sex-stub category gets too big) would be simply to have one stub category for fetishes and philias, and make Category:BDSM stubs a subcategory of it. Grutness... wha? 5 July 2005 01:14 (UTC)

I think BDSM-stub is a good idea. BDSM is one of the most popular, most widely known, and most diverse sexual fetishes. It applies very well to the articles BoundCon and Shibaricon, at least. However, we definitely do not need individual stub templates for every sexual fetish out there. Some of them are so bizarre you have to have the fetish yourself to have heard of it. — JIP | Talk 7 July 2005 11:07 (UTC)

(note that I wasn't suggesting one category for each fetish, just one overall category for all of them.) Grutness... wha? 7 July 2005 13:31 (UTC)

{{ Mexico-bcast-stub}}

• Created 16 June with Category:Mexico broadcasting stubs by an anonymous user (IP address only).
• Wasn't previously discussed here.
• Currently has 24 articles in it; unlikely (in my opionion) to reach 100.
• I recommend posting for deletion otherwise we'll see every monkey and his uncle making a bcast-stub for their nation (or state or city) .. but maybe that's just to be understood and accpeted.

Courtland 19:00, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

• Content has increased to 34 articles, so there is some use and it might reach 100 over time (certainly not right away). I won't nominate for deletion but leave it alone. Courtland 00:09, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Template:AU-depot-stub

User:Tabletop must have seen the debate at the top of this page about railway stations, and decided to create Template:AU-depot-stub ( talk links ). And, granted, there are over 300 stubs, so it was a needed category. What wasn't needed was the name, which goes against our usual naming system (in fact AU-bio-stub was deleted recently). I've redirected the template to {{ Australia-depot-stub}}, but the original name may be one for at least hiding for now, and possibly eventually removing. Grutness... wha? 13:10, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{ Category-stub}}

Added to WP:WSS/ST today. No associated category. According to the "What links here" link, it is only used by Category:Portable Audio Player Manufacturers.

What exactly does it mean for a category to be a stub? Strange. -- TheParanoidOne 19:58, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Incredably sorry. It's for expansion of a category. Categories need help too. I thought we need a category assistance stub, how else do you mark a category unfinished, or that requires help? -- x1987x 21:21, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

There are several options shown at Wikipedia:Template_messages/Maintenance: {{ popcat}}, {{ cleancat}}, and {{ overpopulated category}} (that last which we should probably use in some instaces here). Courtland 22:24, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

By definition, stubs are articles. {{ popcat}} is the template normally used to expand categories - it also has the advantage that it adds the category to Category: Underpopulated categories, so that editors know there's work that needs doing. Similarly, lists use {{ listdev}} rather than a type of stub message. Grutness... wha? 06:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Never knew they existed thanks-- x1987x 15:22, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Now on WP:SFD. -- TheParanoidOne 6 July 2005 20:12 (UTC)

{{ Business-stub}}

Created today and uses Category:Stubs instead of a seperate category. Looks like a cross between {{ Econ-stub}} and {{ Corp-stub}}. -- Allen3  ^talk June 28, 2005 14:30 (UTC)

• • Looks like an excellent candidate for WP:SFD. I'll nominate it. In the meantime, no articles use it (there was one, but I changed it to {{corp-stub}}. Russ Blau (talk) June 28, 2005 20:07 (UTC)

Deleted by WP:SFD. -- TheParanoidOne 6 July 2005 20:12 (UTC)

This has been recreated today (by an anon user) as a redirect to {{ biz-stub}} which uses Category:Business stubs. Speedy delete candidate? -- TheParanoidOne 23:48, 9 July 2005 (UTC) reply

{{ Tibet-stub}} / Tibet-related stubs

Created and added to WP:WSS/ST today by User:Hottentot. Used on 3 articles. -- TheParanoidOne 29 June 2005 21:33 (UTC)

Hottentot: Please stop changing the contents of my initial comment. -- TheParanoidOne 1 July 2005 21:29 (UTC)

Ok, sorry. Update: Tibet-stub used currently on 50 articles.

This one has the potential to be politically problematical. I'd be wary of it from that perspective. Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 01:30 (UTC)

Politically problematical??? What are you talking about? -- Hottentot

What do you think I'm talking about? If we can't get a consensus from wikipedians about the use of the terms Hong Kong, Taiwan, and "Mainland China" (sic), what do you think that Tibet is going to do to the mix? Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 06:34 (UTC)

I still don't get what you're saying. The stub isn't saying anything that would offend people. Tibet was once an independent country, and there are about 6 million Tibetans in the world today. The creation of the stub is not to show anyone's dislike for the PRC, it is for people that are interested in Tibet, Tibetan culture, Tibetan people, etc. to expand articles relating to their interest. That's what the whole stub-sorting project was for, right? -- Hottentot

Since there is no objection, can we list it now on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types please?? -- Hottentot

It has now been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types -- Hottentot

Mariah Carey Related Articles Stubs

Category:Mariah Carey Related Articles Stubs, which contains about 20 articles, does not presently have a stub template, but I felt that I should note the category's existence in case one materializes. NatusRoma 30 June 2005 03:32 (UTC)

This has to be just about the single worst stub category I have ever seen. All of the stubs within it belong in music-bio categories - several of them belong on VfD, and few of them are more than peripherally connected with Mariah Carey - who does NOT require a separate stub category! Who's going to be the first to send it to sfd? Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 06:27 (UTC)

You're going to be the first to send it to sfd. ;) The Storm Surfer 1 July 2005 04:28 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah. Well, no-one else did... Grutness... wha?

{{ Oklahoma-geo-stub}}

I was busy tallying US-south-geo-stubs when I noticed that the number of Oklahoma stubs had dropped from 35 to two. Investigating further I discovered that {{ Oklahoma-geo-stub}} had been created by an anon, complete with category. I've formatted it to be the same as the other state-geo-stub categories,... it's fairly small (43 stubs), but may well grow. Grutness... wha? 6 July 2005 07:07 (UTC)