As part of the newly created WikiProject Lace I'd like to propose the creation of {{ Lace-stub}}. Pages that would be designated as lace stubs are currently:
Julie E. 00:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
UPDATE: Created:{{ Lace-stub}} I have created the lace stub. Currently 25 articles are designated as lace stubs, and lots more yet to be added.-- Julie E. 29 June 2005 23:52 (UTC)
There are {{ Caribbean-geo-stub}} and {{ Oceania-geo-stub}} stubs and categories, but there is no related stub that I can find for articles relating to the culture, people etc. of those parts of the world - {{ Caribbean-stub}} and {{ Oceania-stub}}. I don't know where those stubs might be sorted now - I've sorted them to {{ music-stub}} (orthogonal to the region) and {{ CAmerica-stub}} (this is not too bad, just non-obvious). -- ScottDavis 03:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not as good at this as Grutness, but I've made a go at finding articles for {{ Oceania-geo-stub}} at User:ScottDavis/Oceania. I didn't get to 60 stubs that aren't already in stub categories I would expect to become subcategories of this one. Is it OK to create the stub and category anyway? Should I mark short articles as stubs if they are not currently labeled that way? Is it OK to add a regional stub to music, economic, election etc stubbed articles? -- ScottDavis 13:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oops - I did indeed mean {{ Oceania-stub}}. I had geo in mind because I used them to find my way into the right regions. I'm working up a similar list for {{ Caribbean-stub}}, finding a lot of bio-stubs here. -- ScottDavis 14:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
With no objections and some encouragement, I'm about to try to follow the guidelines to create and populate these two stub categories. Thanks especially to Guettarda for helping populate the Caribbean list. I also managed to find more Oceania articles. -- ScottDavis 09:13, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll accept advice for either way. I deliberately did not as
Perhaps asking for comments on the Australian noticeboard could be in order. -- ScottDavis 10:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ Ontario-geo-stub}}, {{ Saskatchewan-geo-stub}}, {{ NWTerritories-geo-stub}}, {{ Nunavut-geo-stub}}, {{ Quebec-geo-stub}}, {{ NovaScotia-geo-stub}}, {{ NewBrunswick-geo-stub}}, {{ BritishColumbia-geo-stub}}, {{ Manitoba-geo-stub}}, {{ Yukon-geo-stub}}, {{ PrinceEdwardIsland-geo-stub}}, {{ Alberta-geo-stub}}, {{ NovaScotia-geo-stub}}, plus redirects from {{ Canada-XX-geo-stub}}
Now around 1400 articles. As there's far fewer .ca provinces than .us states, a straightforward provincial split seems viable: at least the majority of them will be over 100 articles, and I'd think we might as well create them all, on spec. Comments? Alai 20:16, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Okay - I've done the count, and the result is that four provinces are definite candidates for splitting, the others are definitely not candidates. Only four provinces got to 60 stubs, but all of them have over 100: Alberta has 104, BC has 145, Quebec has 211 and Ontario has (drum-roll please) a whopping 501. On the basis of that, I propose:
As with the US-geo split, I'm putting a full list of what stub is from where on a user sub-page at User:Grutness/Canada_geo-stub_list. Grutness... wha? 09:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
UPDATE: Created:
Help would now be appreciated in populating them... Grutness... wha?
UPDATE: well done, folks - the split is complete. There are now only some 350 canada-geo-stubs that are not further categorised. No province other than those split off has over 65 of these, although there seem to be a few new Newfoundland/Labrador ones being created, so it's worth keeping an eye on that for a possible further split later. Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 10:40 (UTC)
Should there be a school stub with categories like "high shcool" "college" etc? 08:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
We seem to have a fair few of those among the people stubs. -- Joy [shallot] 18:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've just completed the split of caucasus-geo-stub into Armenia, Azerbaijan and georgia. Since there were only 35 Georgia geo-stubs, I redirected the template back to Euro-geo-stub. Or, more precisely, I kept the template as it was, but changed the category link (and did the required null edits) so that it feeds back into Category:Europe geography stubs. The reason is that the template is still used, and still used for a specific purpose, and if, as is possible, Georgia gets its own category sometime, it may well be useful to have those stubs already sorted out. Also, it will be easier to sort them out if the vote on sfd is to keep the Caucasus geography stubs category. I might have made a separate Georgia category now, except for worrying about exactly what to call it 9given the recent splits of US state geo-stubs). Grutness... wha? 06:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Georgia isn't the only naming problem though - I'd also like to propose two more templates, both feeding into the same category. I know this is a weird one, but it's the only way I can think of to get round any potential naming problems. The category? Category: Israel-Palestine geography stubs. Understandably there's a fair amount of overlap in many of the 115 stubs that would go into this category, but for obvious reasons, I'd suggest having both an {{ israel-geo-stub}} and {{ palestine-geo-stub}} going into it. Grutness... wha? 06:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In my latest count-ups, I also checked Category:Portugal geography stubs, and discovered that nearly 40% of these stubs related to the Azores (about 130 stubs). Therefore i'd also like to propose {{ Azores-geo-stub}}. Grutness... wha? 06:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
We've already got Catholic and Lutheran stubs, so I presume nobody would object to an Anglican one? Doops 06:34, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Examples:
OK, I've added it to the main listing and made sure the cat has an intro. Now all we need to do is populate it. Doops | talk 28 June 2005 16:08 (UTC)
(This is a tough page to navigate) I'd like to use this stub for genital integrity related articles, so as to keep the articles related to the subject categorically coherent, and we can avoid using a different stub that might sometimes fail to be a precise overlap.
{{ Knot-stub (mathematics)}} | User: BoomHitch | 20 March | 3 | (Knots) | Duplicates "Knot" - on SFD |
Deleted - see below. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ Node/stub}} | User: Node ue | 18 October 2004 | 0 | (-) | Duplicates "Stub" - |
Deleted - see below. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ Ride-stub}} | User: Hailey C. Shannon | 21 April | 7 | (Amusement park rides) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Stub2}} | User: Marcus2 | 28 June 2004 | 7 | (Section stub) | Duplicates "Sectstub", no category |
Deleted. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ Stub3}} | User: Marcus2 | 30 June 2004 | 3 | (Section stub) | Duplicates "Sectstub", no category |
Deleted. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ US-poli-stub}} | User: The Tom | 19 April | 50+ | (US politics) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Whedon-stub}} | User: CheNuevara | 26 Apr | 11 | (Whedonverse) | Duplicates "Buffyverse"; redirected to {{ Buffyverse-stub}} - now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Åland-stub}} | User: Bbx | 31 March | 17 | (Åland Island) |
I used another method, searching for "Stub" in the Template: namespace (like this: [2]). Here goes:
{{ californiastatehighway-stub}} | User: Bennyp81 | 18 April | 0 | Wikipedia:WikiProject California State Highways |
{{ unix-stub}} | User: Cheezewizard | 13 March | 0 | Unix | UPDATE: Cleaned up. |
I considered unix-stub and decided to resurrect that given the amount of articles that can use it. We'll see how it goes. -- Joy [shallot] 12:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) Filled it up with 99 articles on the first pass of Category:Software stubs. It's a keeper, IMHO. -- Joy [shallot] 13:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ star stub}} | User: Jyril | 23 February | ~30(?) | (-) | Not a stub template. Evil and confusing, especially since {{ star-stub}} is one. UPDATE: Proposed for renaming as {{ starbox small}} at Astronomy wikiproject. Response so far is favourable. UPDATE2: This template, which eventually redirected to Template:Starbox short, was orphaned & deleted at TFD. |
It seems we now have about 70-odd stubs found in the last month or so. I've made it fairly clear about several of them I like or dislike (both immediately above and in the list at proposed deletions), but we should having some form of debate both about them and about the others, too. I propose that - as a temporary measure, at least until we get some sort of order out of all this mess - we make a (yet another) sub-page simply listing all of them, and do a simple one-week keep/rename/redirect/delete vote on each one, keeping discussion minimal. That will at least purge the list of ones that no-one sees worthy of saving, tell us which ones should definitely be kept, and show us which ones need further, more detailed, debate here. Is this worth doing, or is it just another level of bureaucracy? Grutness... wha? 03:27, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
(moved from "proposals", further up the page. Thinking there are a lot more French actors not listed or categorized properly, I created the Category:French actor stubs on 20 MAY 2005, it has 78 articles, I went through all of Category:French actors and updated them. So now there is now a {{FR-actor-stub}}. Hopefully there is a consensus, after the fact. <> Who 01:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
I see that User:Who is also responsible for AU-actor-stub, SE-actor-stub, and AU-bio-stub. I've moved the first two to {{ Australia-actor-stub}} and {{ Sweden-actor-stub}}, and the third is already listed as a proposed deletion. I'm also listing the (now) redirects SE-actor-stub, FR-actor-stub, and AU-actor-stub on tfd. The new names are still there for the stubs, but these names are not consistent with any we use. Lord save us from people trying to help. Grutness... wha? 11:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Created today and added to WP:WSS/ST by User:JB82. Redlink category mentioned on the stub list ( Category:Bridge stubs) but stub actually connected to Category:Bridges.
Used on only two articles.
Having looked at the text of the stub, the user seems to have amalgamated both stub and category text into the stub. -- TheParanoidOne 22:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ Lithuania-geo-stub}} was created 31 May 2005 by User:Lysy. I've added it to Category:Geography stubs. — Fingers-of-Pyrex June 29, 2005 19:10 (UTC)
Unless there are any objections, I would like to propose the following stub deletions: Grutness... wha? 07:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
moved to SFD
Moved to WP:SFD
... and deleted. -- TheParanoidOne 30 June 2005 20:22 (UTC)
used on 7 and 3 articles respectively. Duplicate {{ sectstub}}. No associated category. (Not to be confused with the tfd {{ 2stub}} and deleted {{ 3stub}}!).
used on 15 articles. Duplicates {{ Buffyverse-stub}}.
For some reason, Stevertigo recently decided to redirect Ethno-stub to Ethnic-stub, then delete the original which was still used on over 200 articles) without either telling us or announcing the proposed deletion on tfd. The only clue as to what may have been going on was wording on Category:Ethnicity stubs, which suggested using the two different stubs for two different but related subjects - ethnicity and ethnic groups. But if they were intended to be two different templates, a combination of redirect and deletion indicates the opposite, that there was no plan to keep ethno-stub. I've left an (admittedly grumpy) note on Stevertigo's page. If he plans to make any more such inexplicable changes, maybe next time he'll let us know first. Grutness... wha? 06:49, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As part of the newly created WikiProject Lace I'd like to propose the creation of {{ Lace-stub}}. Pages that would be designated as lace stubs are currently:
Julie E. 00:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
UPDATE: Created:{{ Lace-stub}} I have created the lace stub. Currently 25 articles are designated as lace stubs, and lots more yet to be added.-- Julie E. 29 June 2005 23:52 (UTC)
There are {{ Caribbean-geo-stub}} and {{ Oceania-geo-stub}} stubs and categories, but there is no related stub that I can find for articles relating to the culture, people etc. of those parts of the world - {{ Caribbean-stub}} and {{ Oceania-stub}}. I don't know where those stubs might be sorted now - I've sorted them to {{ music-stub}} (orthogonal to the region) and {{ CAmerica-stub}} (this is not too bad, just non-obvious). -- ScottDavis 03:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not as good at this as Grutness, but I've made a go at finding articles for {{ Oceania-geo-stub}} at User:ScottDavis/Oceania. I didn't get to 60 stubs that aren't already in stub categories I would expect to become subcategories of this one. Is it OK to create the stub and category anyway? Should I mark short articles as stubs if they are not currently labeled that way? Is it OK to add a regional stub to music, economic, election etc stubbed articles? -- ScottDavis 13:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oops - I did indeed mean {{ Oceania-stub}}. I had geo in mind because I used them to find my way into the right regions. I'm working up a similar list for {{ Caribbean-stub}}, finding a lot of bio-stubs here. -- ScottDavis 14:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
With no objections and some encouragement, I'm about to try to follow the guidelines to create and populate these two stub categories. Thanks especially to Guettarda for helping populate the Caribbean list. I also managed to find more Oceania articles. -- ScottDavis 09:13, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll accept advice for either way. I deliberately did not as
Perhaps asking for comments on the Australian noticeboard could be in order. -- ScottDavis 10:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ Ontario-geo-stub}}, {{ Saskatchewan-geo-stub}}, {{ NWTerritories-geo-stub}}, {{ Nunavut-geo-stub}}, {{ Quebec-geo-stub}}, {{ NovaScotia-geo-stub}}, {{ NewBrunswick-geo-stub}}, {{ BritishColumbia-geo-stub}}, {{ Manitoba-geo-stub}}, {{ Yukon-geo-stub}}, {{ PrinceEdwardIsland-geo-stub}}, {{ Alberta-geo-stub}}, {{ NovaScotia-geo-stub}}, plus redirects from {{ Canada-XX-geo-stub}}
Now around 1400 articles. As there's far fewer .ca provinces than .us states, a straightforward provincial split seems viable: at least the majority of them will be over 100 articles, and I'd think we might as well create them all, on spec. Comments? Alai 20:16, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Okay - I've done the count, and the result is that four provinces are definite candidates for splitting, the others are definitely not candidates. Only four provinces got to 60 stubs, but all of them have over 100: Alberta has 104, BC has 145, Quebec has 211 and Ontario has (drum-roll please) a whopping 501. On the basis of that, I propose:
As with the US-geo split, I'm putting a full list of what stub is from where on a user sub-page at User:Grutness/Canada_geo-stub_list. Grutness... wha? 09:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
UPDATE: Created:
Help would now be appreciated in populating them... Grutness... wha?
UPDATE: well done, folks - the split is complete. There are now only some 350 canada-geo-stubs that are not further categorised. No province other than those split off has over 65 of these, although there seem to be a few new Newfoundland/Labrador ones being created, so it's worth keeping an eye on that for a possible further split later. Grutness... wha? 30 June 2005 10:40 (UTC)
Should there be a school stub with categories like "high shcool" "college" etc? 08:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
We seem to have a fair few of those among the people stubs. -- Joy [shallot] 18:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've just completed the split of caucasus-geo-stub into Armenia, Azerbaijan and georgia. Since there were only 35 Georgia geo-stubs, I redirected the template back to Euro-geo-stub. Or, more precisely, I kept the template as it was, but changed the category link (and did the required null edits) so that it feeds back into Category:Europe geography stubs. The reason is that the template is still used, and still used for a specific purpose, and if, as is possible, Georgia gets its own category sometime, it may well be useful to have those stubs already sorted out. Also, it will be easier to sort them out if the vote on sfd is to keep the Caucasus geography stubs category. I might have made a separate Georgia category now, except for worrying about exactly what to call it 9given the recent splits of US state geo-stubs). Grutness... wha? 06:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Georgia isn't the only naming problem though - I'd also like to propose two more templates, both feeding into the same category. I know this is a weird one, but it's the only way I can think of to get round any potential naming problems. The category? Category: Israel-Palestine geography stubs. Understandably there's a fair amount of overlap in many of the 115 stubs that would go into this category, but for obvious reasons, I'd suggest having both an {{ israel-geo-stub}} and {{ palestine-geo-stub}} going into it. Grutness... wha? 06:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In my latest count-ups, I also checked Category:Portugal geography stubs, and discovered that nearly 40% of these stubs related to the Azores (about 130 stubs). Therefore i'd also like to propose {{ Azores-geo-stub}}. Grutness... wha? 06:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
We've already got Catholic and Lutheran stubs, so I presume nobody would object to an Anglican one? Doops 06:34, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Examples:
OK, I've added it to the main listing and made sure the cat has an intro. Now all we need to do is populate it. Doops | talk 28 June 2005 16:08 (UTC)
(This is a tough page to navigate) I'd like to use this stub for genital integrity related articles, so as to keep the articles related to the subject categorically coherent, and we can avoid using a different stub that might sometimes fail to be a precise overlap.
{{ Knot-stub (mathematics)}} | User: BoomHitch | 20 March | 3 | (Knots) | Duplicates "Knot" - on SFD |
Deleted - see below. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ Node/stub}} | User: Node ue | 18 October 2004 | 0 | (-) | Duplicates "Stub" - |
Deleted - see below. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ Ride-stub}} | User: Hailey C. Shannon | 21 April | 7 | (Amusement park rides) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Stub2}} | User: Marcus2 | 28 June 2004 | 7 | (Section stub) | Duplicates "Sectstub", no category |
Deleted. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ Stub3}} | User: Marcus2 | 30 June 2004 | 3 | (Section stub) | Duplicates "Sectstub", no category |
Deleted. Grutness... wha? 4 July 2005 12:26 (UTC)
{{ US-poli-stub}} | User: The Tom | 19 April | 50+ | (US politics) | now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Whedon-stub}} | User: CheNuevara | 26 Apr | 11 | (Whedonverse) | Duplicates "Buffyverse"; redirected to {{ Buffyverse-stub}} - now listed at WP:WSS/ST |
{{ Åland-stub}} | User: Bbx | 31 March | 17 | (Åland Island) |
I used another method, searching for "Stub" in the Template: namespace (like this: [2]). Here goes:
{{ californiastatehighway-stub}} | User: Bennyp81 | 18 April | 0 | Wikipedia:WikiProject California State Highways |
{{ unix-stub}} | User: Cheezewizard | 13 March | 0 | Unix | UPDATE: Cleaned up. |
I considered unix-stub and decided to resurrect that given the amount of articles that can use it. We'll see how it goes. -- Joy [shallot] 12:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) Filled it up with 99 articles on the first pass of Category:Software stubs. It's a keeper, IMHO. -- Joy [shallot] 13:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ star stub}} | User: Jyril | 23 February | ~30(?) | (-) | Not a stub template. Evil and confusing, especially since {{ star-stub}} is one. UPDATE: Proposed for renaming as {{ starbox small}} at Astronomy wikiproject. Response so far is favourable. UPDATE2: This template, which eventually redirected to Template:Starbox short, was orphaned & deleted at TFD. |
It seems we now have about 70-odd stubs found in the last month or so. I've made it fairly clear about several of them I like or dislike (both immediately above and in the list at proposed deletions), but we should having some form of debate both about them and about the others, too. I propose that - as a temporary measure, at least until we get some sort of order out of all this mess - we make a (yet another) sub-page simply listing all of them, and do a simple one-week keep/rename/redirect/delete vote on each one, keeping discussion minimal. That will at least purge the list of ones that no-one sees worthy of saving, tell us which ones should definitely be kept, and show us which ones need further, more detailed, debate here. Is this worth doing, or is it just another level of bureaucracy? Grutness... wha? 03:27, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
(moved from "proposals", further up the page. Thinking there are a lot more French actors not listed or categorized properly, I created the Category:French actor stubs on 20 MAY 2005, it has 78 articles, I went through all of Category:French actors and updated them. So now there is now a {{FR-actor-stub}}. Hopefully there is a consensus, after the fact. <> Who 01:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
I see that User:Who is also responsible for AU-actor-stub, SE-actor-stub, and AU-bio-stub. I've moved the first two to {{ Australia-actor-stub}} and {{ Sweden-actor-stub}}, and the third is already listed as a proposed deletion. I'm also listing the (now) redirects SE-actor-stub, FR-actor-stub, and AU-actor-stub on tfd. The new names are still there for the stubs, but these names are not consistent with any we use. Lord save us from people trying to help. Grutness... wha? 11:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Created today and added to WP:WSS/ST by User:JB82. Redlink category mentioned on the stub list ( Category:Bridge stubs) but stub actually connected to Category:Bridges.
Used on only two articles.
Having looked at the text of the stub, the user seems to have amalgamated both stub and category text into the stub. -- TheParanoidOne 22:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
{{ Lithuania-geo-stub}} was created 31 May 2005 by User:Lysy. I've added it to Category:Geography stubs. — Fingers-of-Pyrex June 29, 2005 19:10 (UTC)
Unless there are any objections, I would like to propose the following stub deletions: Grutness... wha? 07:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
moved to SFD
Moved to WP:SFD
... and deleted. -- TheParanoidOne 30 June 2005 20:22 (UTC)
used on 7 and 3 articles respectively. Duplicate {{ sectstub}}. No associated category. (Not to be confused with the tfd {{ 2stub}} and deleted {{ 3stub}}!).
used on 15 articles. Duplicates {{ Buffyverse-stub}}.
For some reason, Stevertigo recently decided to redirect Ethno-stub to Ethnic-stub, then delete the original which was still used on over 200 articles) without either telling us or announcing the proposed deletion on tfd. The only clue as to what may have been going on was wording on Category:Ethnicity stubs, which suggested using the two different stubs for two different but related subjects - ethnicity and ethnic groups. But if they were intended to be two different templates, a combination of redirect and deletion indicates the opposite, that there was no plan to keep ethno-stub. I've left an (admittedly grumpy) note on Stevertigo's page. If he plans to make any more such inexplicable changes, maybe next time he'll let us know first. Grutness... wha? 06:49, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)