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(first: congratulations to this large step of development!) Please check this edit and the following. What happened? I went through a large article several minutes in visual edit mode. The review was OK, I pressed the “save page“ button. After quite a while, I got a javascript alert window with the message ”Error saving data to server: error“. I pressed OK and tried to save again. This took even longer and resulted in the same message. However, the first edit was saved correctly (first diff), the second resulted in a mess … I re-checked the editing window, the article looks perfectly ok, no sign of what we can see in the diff (“lfplatz“ etc.). System: Firefox 16.0.2, Mac OS X 10.6.8. If needed, I can provide screenshots. -- elya ( talk) 07:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I hope I'm not missing the obvious, but I'm not seeing the ability to edit only a single section of an article. That's not a trivial issue - best practice is to edit only a section of an article unless one is moving text between sections or doing a similar reorganization.
For articles that get lots of edits, editing a single section is critical in avoiding edit conflicts. Also, editing a single section means that the edit summary includes (automatically) the name of the section that was edited; this is very helpful when reviewing edit histories. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The last two edits I made using VE marked the edits as "minor" even though I did not click the "minor edit" box. [1] [2] Risker ( talk) 04:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
or so I'm told at Chaïm Perelman. Wild guess: the ï is responsible, given that other articles load nicely and Chaïm Perelman isn't particularly massive (imo). However, please look into it, thanks & all best -- Jan eissfeldt ( talk) 08:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'left' of undefined
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getOuterLength' of undefined
,regards -- Jan eissfeldt ( talk) 10:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
I think you will know this, but the Visual Editor cant create a page.
Best Robert Radle Robert Radke ( talk) 10:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
On the top right, the warning button shows "2 notices". When clicking on it, only one appears "You're using the alpha version...". Thanks for the great job and good luck continuing! ClementD ( talk) 11:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
What are those links for? -- Mahanga ( Talk) 17:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if it's a bug, but I just enabled the Visual Editor and I see "2 notices". When I click that, I see one message that says to double-check all edits the Alpha makes.
I don't see a way to dismiss that message and I don't see a way to view the other notice. SColombo ( talk) 19:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
While there's a "2 notices" message, when clicking it, I only see one (about the VisualEditor being new). It's the same dialog that auto-pops when opening the editor (with no hints how to close). Gojomo ( talk) 00:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
How do you manage page categories? Hołek ҉ 12:17, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Wow this looks great. Is it possible to help eg with examples like http://www.webiversity.org auto aggregation and rss sharing and also with http://www.LocalWiki.org Ed http://www.whymandesign.wordpress.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.13.46 ( talk) 13:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
What I have done:
Raymond ( talk) 16:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Tried my first edit, so, just a minor comment on the final message. It's now "Your changes to <name of article> have been saved. But since the article is quite prominently visible on the screen, I suggest something simpler: "Your changes to the article have been saved." (For non-article pages, this would be "Your changes to the page have been saved.") -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The trashcan icon for removing a hyperlink is not exactly self-explanatory (it could also indicate complete removal of the highlighted text). I know there are page editors which have a "broken link" icon; that would be better. Or perhaps a link icon with a red slash through it. But I don't think of "dumping" anything (in a trashcan) when I think about dewikifying or delinking some text. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I got an "Error loading data from server: Server error. Would you like to retry?" on Bob Fryday. Using Firefox, 17.0.1. Buggie111 ( talk) 21:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
When using the VisualEditor, styling for the references' <sup> is missing. Skalman ( talk) 22:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
This feedback was submitted using Chromium on Ubuntu 12.10. Firefox fails with "localStorage is null" message. Zahnradzacken ( talk) 22:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
On Chrome (current/MacOS), dialogs are clipped within a header region so that most of their contents are not visible. This includes the advisory dialog which comes up when 1st opening the editor, and the 'review' dialog when trying to save changes. Gojomo ( talk) 00:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I like the visual indicator you are providing for non-editable elements of the page. It makes it very clear and the mouse over text makes it even clearer. What I feel is missing is some hint as to what to do next if you really need to edit that element. Advanced editors will, of course, know just to revert to wikitext editing but if and when this becomes the default it could be really confusing (admittedly, by the time it reaches that stage there shouldn't be many non-editable elements left). Theflyer ( talk) 01:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Since so much of Wikipedia operates via templates, it is imperative that some level of editing functionality be enabled for them as soon as possible. A special case of templates are references, which are the primary currency of an article (beyond the content itself) so the ability to create, edit, manipulate references should be first on the list IMHO. Theflyer ( talk) 02:02, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
So far very good, keep it up :) Sakaa ( talk) 02:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
"Phantoms are wrapped (sometimes?) into a div which results into a linebreak, see User:Raymond/nowiki. Should be wrapped into a span I think. Raymond ( talk) 08:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
When using the VisualEditor, it gets a large white space in top of the article (I am using Chrome). Ainali ( talk) 15:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
When you choose hyperlink and type something, clicking on an item in the list only highlights it. Hitting return does nothing; there is no clear way to exit the window. Clicking outside of it results in the text not becoming a link. I was forced to go back, highlight the text in question, and then click hyperlink, and *then* choose the desired item. When I did, the next thing I typed was still part of the link - why would I want that?
The VE is generally great, but I doubt I'll use it for mainspace editing while making links is such a hassle. ∴ ZX95 [ discuss 23:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
So I click on "Review and Save", and in the diff/comparison, I see that I made a mistake in my editing. Now what? I can see in two choices (buttons): "Something is wrong" and "Looks good to me". "Something is wrong" is for reporting a Visual Editor problem; "Looks good to me" saves my edit. I don't want either. What I want is a button that says "Return to article" (or "Return to editing"),
And yes, I eventually figured out clicking on the upside-down "v" in the upper right corner of the dialog box gets me back to the article, but that's more than a bit cryptic. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:59, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
The gallery tag is not parsed but shown as plain wiki text: User:Raymond (the first 2 images) and User:Raymond/Gallery with some more examples. Raymond ( talk) 20:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The "Chaos de Montpellier-le-Vieux" page contains a gallery tag with a number of images. This is displayed in a very odd way in the visual editor. The way tags are handled should probably be improved. Theflyer ( talk) 01:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Per above bug for supporting gallery, also math is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/Math. Raymond ( talk) 21:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
<timeline> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/timeline. Raymond ( talk) 09:41, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<hiero> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/hiero. Raymond ( talk) 10:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<poem> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/poem. Raymond ( talk) 10:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<imagemap> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/imagemap. Raymond ( talk) 12:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/source. It is a synonym for <source> which works well. Raymond ( talk) 12:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
To summarize above bugs: I know that supporting these extension tags is very complex. The bugs are filed for the possibility to edit the plain wiki syntax inside the VisuelEditor as first step. Maybe showing the plain wiki text inside a box/border with an explanation/tooltip/whatever. Full graphical support would be the second or third step. Raymond ( talk) 12:51, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to remove a dead link and some text in Lynn Hill. I tried three times. It looked like I had removed it in the VE but the edit wasn't saved. Other edits to the article were saved, however. Wadewitz ( talk) 23:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The coord template is not hatched but still visible and the links are still clickable: User:Raymond/coords. Raymond ( talk) 15:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The VE is great: it's easy to use. Yay :-)
Something I'd like: currently when I want to save, my only option is "review and save." "Review and save" is good, particularly if I've made a major edit. However, personally I'd also like to have an option to just "save" -- that's what I would use if I were simply fixing a typo or changing a few words. The extra step slows me down which is kind of irritating, and doesn't add any value if I'm confident the change is what I want. – Sue Gardner ( talk) 19:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I tried to edit my user page, previously i used some extra css/html code to format the page. Visual editor saying that it is not possible to edit this section. here is the link of my user page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nasir8891 Nasir Khan Saikat ( talk) 20:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
It's horribly slow. But that really rocks !!!! Anthere ( talk)
When a paragraph begins with a word that's formatted in bold or italics, new text added before that word is automatically formatted the same way, but it isn't recognized as such in the editor toolbar - the 'B' and 'I' buttons aren't selected, and the 'Clear Formatting' button is not clickable.
This only applies to the newly added text; when selecting the original formatted word, the toolbar recognizes it, but when selecting the new text, the toolbar does not. As a result, it becomes just a bit trickier to unformat that new text, if I originally wanted it to be regular text. Merlin s orca 03:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
There are at least two extra divs breaking the interface on my chrome instance.
One is full of green diagonal stripes and keeps me from editing in the first screenful of the vis. ed. so I have to scroll past that to make it disappear.
The second is the "review changes" div that pops open, or tries, to, when I click "review and save".
--> a) also include a "save" [no review] option, please. --> b) on review, the mini-div that opens isn't tall enough, and is blocked by the page div that remains below/infront of it. so I can't actually see the bottom where there are options to confirm the save. I can't seem to navigate about in that mini-div by scrolling or tabbing either; tabbing moves about the page below/infront of it. So: no visual edits for me yet on this computer !
This is at 1366x768 resolution, fullscreen. – SJ + 03:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I can't see the results of various things in the top mini-div including the 'cancel' and 'review and save' buttons. for isntance, the popup on hover over the "N notices" alert is hidden by the main content div. See also previous comment. – SJ + 03:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I realize that the point of the visual editor is to make editing easier and more intuitive. However, I wonder if so many barriers have been removed that editors, new editors especially, may not realize that they are editing the page. The current editing method makes it pretty obvious that you are editing, but visual editor in its current state may be too unobtrusive. Chris857 ( talk) 04:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
For references (may already be known issues) on Jacobsville Sandstone as an example, up arrows are displayed as opposed to the carets that are normal on enwiki. And refs used in multiple places appear like "2. 1.01.11.2" (note the lack of space between 1.0, 1.1, 1.2; and the number is zero-based instead of 1-based.) Chris857 ( talk) 04:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
On every page, always. Chrome 25 on Mac. (Update: Also Firefox.) Both http and https. -- Magnus Manske ( talk) 09:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
JavaScript console, after cancelling:
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'enable' of null [load.php:106]
I am also getting this error, Mac 10.6.8, both in Opera and Firefox.
Opera console shows TUncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'this.surface' to object
Firefox console shows Error: TypeError: this.surface is null
Opera states it is on the readystatechange event thread and both agree that the error is thrown on line 106 of the source file
Thanks, excited to try it out once it's gotten working. Radiodef ( talk) 21:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Would be nice of the VisualEditor was the default tab when browsing Wikipedia. This way, it would be a lot easier to make small changes immediately, instead of clicking the tab VisualEditor. Mippzon ( talk) 15:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The tooltip for the outdent button is missing. – sumone10154( talk) 05:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Adding a line of text before the div in my user page caused all the div to be deleted... Quatar ( talk) 10:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the VE inserted nowiki tags into my edit here -- thanks to Johnuniq ( talk) for pointing this out to me. -- Sue Gardner ( talk) 21:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Having read about it in the Signpost, I'm giving the VE a tryout. There is nowhere that I see signposted for feedback, so I'll post a couple of minor grumbles here, although I can't believe I am the first person to encounter them, so maybe someone will direct me to a more appropriate place.
In this edit I accidentally deleted the citation Harv|Méry|Joly|2002 because it appeared to me to be blank space. (In VE mode, I saw a visible citation, followed by a full line of blank space, followed by a period closing the sentence. I deleted the blank space between the citation and the period, which had the effect of also deleting the citation. This is not the first time VE has showed me blank space that isn't really blank.)
This issue might be related to citations being uneditable right now, and maybe it'll disappear once they are editable. But I flag it anyway, in case it's useful :-) Sue Gardner ( talk) 15:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Linking to a file with [[:File:Foo.jpg]]. The leading colon is not stripped: User:Raymond/Linking to a file. Raymond ( talk) 16:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Linking to a category with [[:Category:Foo]]. The leading colon is not stripped: User:Raymond/Linking to a category. Raymond ( talk) 16:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Inline image (used as icon) is incorrectly alienated, sometimes (?).
Test case:
Raymond ( talk) 17:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The link remove/trash icon does nothing. I assume this is meant to delink it, rather than removing the text. So the title text should be clarified too. Superm401 - Talk 17:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
FreedomFighterSparrow ( talk) 11:53, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
[I'm using the latest Firefox version on the Mac; same problem with Chrome on the Mac.] I wanted to edit a single section of an article, which can't be done in VE (see comments above). But with the VE option selected, in my preferences, it looks like I can't edit just an individual section with the regular wiki editor. When I click on the "edit" link in a section of an article, VE starts up, and (of course) shows the entire article (although the pointer is at heading of the section I wanted to edit).
So now I'm going to have to turn off VE, in my preferences, if I want to edit a single section using the normal wiki editor. That's irritating. Please fix this bug. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a bug with this template : the first image’s width is 200px instead of 30px when I want to edit a page (for example Gary Nolan (radio host)), maybe because no width is specified in the wiki source ? — Ltrl G☎, 19:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
HotCat is a popular gadget and any conflict with it should be avoided. For example, use VisualEditor on User:This, that and the other/sandbox/Schfoof with HotCat enabled. The HotCat bar appears in the wrong place. (It probably shouldn't appear at all.)
A complete overhaul of HotCat may be required so it can integrate cleanly with VisualEditor. In fact it would even be nice if HotCat could become the way of editing categories using VisualEditor. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
See User:This, that and the other/sandbox/VE. I highlighted the words "made a link" (which were, at that time, at the end of the paragraph) and made them into a link. But there was no way to "escape" from the link. I wanted to add more (non-linked) text to the end of the paragraph, but it all got swallowed up into the link. Not nice. (By the way, I'm using Firefox 16.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Normally word processors and text editors have a left margin, allowing whole lines to be selected. There would normally be a small gap of a few pixels between the left column of text and the left margin, allowing a "margin of error" for regular text selection. To the left of this gap, any clicks select entire lines, and any drags up or down select many lines at once.
I don't know if there is a need for the complete left margin functionality in VisualEditor, but certainly, the editing area shouldn't stop at the exact edge of the letters. Perhaps the padding on the VE container needs to be increased with a compensating decrease in the margin - or maybe that's totally wrong, but you get the idea. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, the first impression is good and promising, especially for an alpha. We had a bit of hassle trying to edit text between a link and a fullstop plus a citation footnote. The editor kept thinking we were in the link and kept trying to edit the link instead of the text outside the link. If I moved the cursor to the right it ended at the footnote without allowing me to edit normal text. One possible fix might be something like permitting a left-or-right arrow that would exit the link without moving the cursor. Another might be that if I held down a shift key or control key, any text I typed would be outside the link.
Etc etc...
Btw, I entered the foregoing text from the article page, not from this feedback page, which I did not know about, so there is overlap between this wail and some preceding. Still, I am using Firefox 18 <snfff!!!>
JonRichfield ( talk) 12:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I guess this is planned but I prefer to insist, section editing seems very important to (avoid edit conflict and so on). VIGNERON * discut. 08:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Heading 1 is very rare on enwiki, and indeed on most other installations. Where it is used (mostly on project discussion pages), it does not usually need to be edited. VisualEditor should not offer it.
(I also find Heading 6 a strange choice. It is very rarely used as well. I have certainly seen h5, but I honestly don't think I've ever seen a bona fide use of h6.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
When I edited the Architecture section of Varnish (software) (I just moved the word will), it added a spurious ./ to a piped link, breaking it. I didn't touch the link at all. I'm using Iceweasel 11.0.
Furthermore, VE converted spaces in the same link to underscores. Since it's piped, that part doesn't matter, but I know you're trying to avoid dirty diffs, and this is a relatively simple case. Superm401 - Talk 15:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I have visual editor in my preferences and am on List_of_numbers#Algebraic_numbers. I click the section edit link and it defaults to Visual Editor, however that section is awfully complicated to expect it to work with Visual Editor with math stuff there.
1) I am not sure about defaulting section editing to the visual editor, just yet. Maybe it can be a preference?
2) There should be an "Advanced" toggle or button in the edit mode, so I can switch to regular wikitext.
Right now, it seems the only way to edit the math is to disable Visual Editor in my preferences. :( -- Aude ( talk) 21:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
See this edit. The only part of that that was intentional was the removal of the wandering dash. VisualEditor stripped the spaces between the bullets and text. Furthermore, when I clicked "review and save", the diff that was shown to me for review only showed the intentional portion of the change and did not show the removal of that whitespace, which is perhaps the bigger issue. jcgoble3 ( talk) 01:38, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
The editor is automatically adding pages I edit to my watchlist even though i have been careful to ensure that the add to watchlist box is not being checked when I save the edit. NtheP ( talk) 18:55, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Article Areole. Doing a section edit. Generally worked OK, but it ignored my attempts to move a selected (highlighted) word to elsewhere. Am I missing instructions, or is it not yet implemented? JonRichfield ( talk) 16:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Here's an (possibly useless) idea: What if when a user is editing a page with the VisualEditor and a reader submits feedback using the Article Feedback Tool, the feedback immediately showed up in the "notices" part of the editors screen? -- Yair rand ( talk) 12:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
A few minutes ago I wanted to try the VisualEditor for seeing how it looks like. There are two features which I miss (or which I didn't see):
If I use the VisualEditor, it is possible that I want to switch to the old one after changing something and before saving. Without these two features, I can hardly imagine to use the VisualEditor.
I think that the first point is very important for making the VisualEditor usable, the second point only for people knowing the previous wiki markup.
Stefan Knauf (
talk) 18:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I can't figure out how to enter a template using the visual editor; the template code is automatically surrounded with 'nowiki' tags. Powers T 04:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I was editing Star Trek: First Contact, and ended up with three edits in the history (all with the same summary). The first contained the correct edit I intended to make, but the second and third added these erroneous duplications of an unrelated sentence fragment: [3]. Powers T 19:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I've few "template boxes" on my user page. They are side by side, but visual editor does the layout slightly differently. Harriv ( talk) 22:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
This is a continuation of Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive_2012_12#Link_trash_icon_does_nothing. Apparently, my point was unclear. I clicked the trash icon (on a link), and it literally did nothing whatsoever. It did not remove the link from the selection.
Separately, I agree 'remove link' would be better.
I am using Iceweasel/Firefox 11.0. I will try again when I haven an opportunity, and follow up here. Superm401 - Talk 01:30, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
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(first: congratulations to this large step of development!) Please check this edit and the following. What happened? I went through a large article several minutes in visual edit mode. The review was OK, I pressed the “save page“ button. After quite a while, I got a javascript alert window with the message ”Error saving data to server: error“. I pressed OK and tried to save again. This took even longer and resulted in the same message. However, the first edit was saved correctly (first diff), the second resulted in a mess … I re-checked the editing window, the article looks perfectly ok, no sign of what we can see in the diff (“lfplatz“ etc.). System: Firefox 16.0.2, Mac OS X 10.6.8. If needed, I can provide screenshots. -- elya ( talk) 07:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I hope I'm not missing the obvious, but I'm not seeing the ability to edit only a single section of an article. That's not a trivial issue - best practice is to edit only a section of an article unless one is moving text between sections or doing a similar reorganization.
For articles that get lots of edits, editing a single section is critical in avoiding edit conflicts. Also, editing a single section means that the edit summary includes (automatically) the name of the section that was edited; this is very helpful when reviewing edit histories. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The last two edits I made using VE marked the edits as "minor" even though I did not click the "minor edit" box. [1] [2] Risker ( talk) 04:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
or so I'm told at Chaïm Perelman. Wild guess: the ï is responsible, given that other articles load nicely and Chaïm Perelman isn't particularly massive (imo). However, please look into it, thanks & all best -- Jan eissfeldt ( talk) 08:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'left' of undefined
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getOuterLength' of undefined
,regards -- Jan eissfeldt ( talk) 10:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
I think you will know this, but the Visual Editor cant create a page.
Best Robert Radle Robert Radke ( talk) 10:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
On the top right, the warning button shows "2 notices". When clicking on it, only one appears "You're using the alpha version...". Thanks for the great job and good luck continuing! ClementD ( talk) 11:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
What are those links for? -- Mahanga ( Talk) 17:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if it's a bug, but I just enabled the Visual Editor and I see "2 notices". When I click that, I see one message that says to double-check all edits the Alpha makes.
I don't see a way to dismiss that message and I don't see a way to view the other notice. SColombo ( talk) 19:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
While there's a "2 notices" message, when clicking it, I only see one (about the VisualEditor being new). It's the same dialog that auto-pops when opening the editor (with no hints how to close). Gojomo ( talk) 00:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
How do you manage page categories? Hołek ҉ 12:17, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Wow this looks great. Is it possible to help eg with examples like http://www.webiversity.org auto aggregation and rss sharing and also with http://www.LocalWiki.org Ed http://www.whymandesign.wordpress.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.13.46 ( talk) 13:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
What I have done:
Raymond ( talk) 16:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Tried my first edit, so, just a minor comment on the final message. It's now "Your changes to <name of article> have been saved. But since the article is quite prominently visible on the screen, I suggest something simpler: "Your changes to the article have been saved." (For non-article pages, this would be "Your changes to the page have been saved.") -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The trashcan icon for removing a hyperlink is not exactly self-explanatory (it could also indicate complete removal of the highlighted text). I know there are page editors which have a "broken link" icon; that would be better. Or perhaps a link icon with a red slash through it. But I don't think of "dumping" anything (in a trashcan) when I think about dewikifying or delinking some text. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I got an "Error loading data from server: Server error. Would you like to retry?" on Bob Fryday. Using Firefox, 17.0.1. Buggie111 ( talk) 21:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
When using the VisualEditor, styling for the references' <sup> is missing. Skalman ( talk) 22:14, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
This feedback was submitted using Chromium on Ubuntu 12.10. Firefox fails with "localStorage is null" message. Zahnradzacken ( talk) 22:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
On Chrome (current/MacOS), dialogs are clipped within a header region so that most of their contents are not visible. This includes the advisory dialog which comes up when 1st opening the editor, and the 'review' dialog when trying to save changes. Gojomo ( talk) 00:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I like the visual indicator you are providing for non-editable elements of the page. It makes it very clear and the mouse over text makes it even clearer. What I feel is missing is some hint as to what to do next if you really need to edit that element. Advanced editors will, of course, know just to revert to wikitext editing but if and when this becomes the default it could be really confusing (admittedly, by the time it reaches that stage there shouldn't be many non-editable elements left). Theflyer ( talk) 01:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Since so much of Wikipedia operates via templates, it is imperative that some level of editing functionality be enabled for them as soon as possible. A special case of templates are references, which are the primary currency of an article (beyond the content itself) so the ability to create, edit, manipulate references should be first on the list IMHO. Theflyer ( talk) 02:02, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
So far very good, keep it up :) Sakaa ( talk) 02:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
"Phantoms are wrapped (sometimes?) into a div which results into a linebreak, see User:Raymond/nowiki. Should be wrapped into a span I think. Raymond ( talk) 08:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
When using the VisualEditor, it gets a large white space in top of the article (I am using Chrome). Ainali ( talk) 15:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
When you choose hyperlink and type something, clicking on an item in the list only highlights it. Hitting return does nothing; there is no clear way to exit the window. Clicking outside of it results in the text not becoming a link. I was forced to go back, highlight the text in question, and then click hyperlink, and *then* choose the desired item. When I did, the next thing I typed was still part of the link - why would I want that?
The VE is generally great, but I doubt I'll use it for mainspace editing while making links is such a hassle. ∴ ZX95 [ discuss 23:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
So I click on "Review and Save", and in the diff/comparison, I see that I made a mistake in my editing. Now what? I can see in two choices (buttons): "Something is wrong" and "Looks good to me". "Something is wrong" is for reporting a Visual Editor problem; "Looks good to me" saves my edit. I don't want either. What I want is a button that says "Return to article" (or "Return to editing"),
And yes, I eventually figured out clicking on the upside-down "v" in the upper right corner of the dialog box gets me back to the article, but that's more than a bit cryptic. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:59, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
The gallery tag is not parsed but shown as plain wiki text: User:Raymond (the first 2 images) and User:Raymond/Gallery with some more examples. Raymond ( talk) 20:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The "Chaos de Montpellier-le-Vieux" page contains a gallery tag with a number of images. This is displayed in a very odd way in the visual editor. The way tags are handled should probably be improved. Theflyer ( talk) 01:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Per above bug for supporting gallery, also math is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/Math. Raymond ( talk) 21:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
<timeline> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/timeline. Raymond ( talk) 09:41, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<hiero> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/hiero. Raymond ( talk) 10:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<poem> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/poem. Raymond ( talk) 10:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<imagemap> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/imagemap. Raymond ( talk) 12:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight> is unparsed but shown as plain wikitext: User:Raymond/source. It is a synonym for <source> which works well. Raymond ( talk) 12:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
To summarize above bugs: I know that supporting these extension tags is very complex. The bugs are filed for the possibility to edit the plain wiki syntax inside the VisuelEditor as first step. Maybe showing the plain wiki text inside a box/border with an explanation/tooltip/whatever. Full graphical support would be the second or third step. Raymond ( talk) 12:51, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to remove a dead link and some text in Lynn Hill. I tried three times. It looked like I had removed it in the VE but the edit wasn't saved. Other edits to the article were saved, however. Wadewitz ( talk) 23:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The coord template is not hatched but still visible and the links are still clickable: User:Raymond/coords. Raymond ( talk) 15:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The VE is great: it's easy to use. Yay :-)
Something I'd like: currently when I want to save, my only option is "review and save." "Review and save" is good, particularly if I've made a major edit. However, personally I'd also like to have an option to just "save" -- that's what I would use if I were simply fixing a typo or changing a few words. The extra step slows me down which is kind of irritating, and doesn't add any value if I'm confident the change is what I want. – Sue Gardner ( talk) 19:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I tried to edit my user page, previously i used some extra css/html code to format the page. Visual editor saying that it is not possible to edit this section. here is the link of my user page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nasir8891 Nasir Khan Saikat ( talk) 20:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
It's horribly slow. But that really rocks !!!! Anthere ( talk)
When a paragraph begins with a word that's formatted in bold or italics, new text added before that word is automatically formatted the same way, but it isn't recognized as such in the editor toolbar - the 'B' and 'I' buttons aren't selected, and the 'Clear Formatting' button is not clickable.
This only applies to the newly added text; when selecting the original formatted word, the toolbar recognizes it, but when selecting the new text, the toolbar does not. As a result, it becomes just a bit trickier to unformat that new text, if I originally wanted it to be regular text. Merlin s orca 03:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
There are at least two extra divs breaking the interface on my chrome instance.
One is full of green diagonal stripes and keeps me from editing in the first screenful of the vis. ed. so I have to scroll past that to make it disappear.
The second is the "review changes" div that pops open, or tries, to, when I click "review and save".
--> a) also include a "save" [no review] option, please. --> b) on review, the mini-div that opens isn't tall enough, and is blocked by the page div that remains below/infront of it. so I can't actually see the bottom where there are options to confirm the save. I can't seem to navigate about in that mini-div by scrolling or tabbing either; tabbing moves about the page below/infront of it. So: no visual edits for me yet on this computer !
This is at 1366x768 resolution, fullscreen. – SJ + 03:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I can't see the results of various things in the top mini-div including the 'cancel' and 'review and save' buttons. for isntance, the popup on hover over the "N notices" alert is hidden by the main content div. See also previous comment. – SJ + 03:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I realize that the point of the visual editor is to make editing easier and more intuitive. However, I wonder if so many barriers have been removed that editors, new editors especially, may not realize that they are editing the page. The current editing method makes it pretty obvious that you are editing, but visual editor in its current state may be too unobtrusive. Chris857 ( talk) 04:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
For references (may already be known issues) on Jacobsville Sandstone as an example, up arrows are displayed as opposed to the carets that are normal on enwiki. And refs used in multiple places appear like "2. 1.01.11.2" (note the lack of space between 1.0, 1.1, 1.2; and the number is zero-based instead of 1-based.) Chris857 ( talk) 04:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
On every page, always. Chrome 25 on Mac. (Update: Also Firefox.) Both http and https. -- Magnus Manske ( talk) 09:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
JavaScript console, after cancelling:
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'enable' of null [load.php:106]
I am also getting this error, Mac 10.6.8, both in Opera and Firefox.
Opera console shows TUncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'this.surface' to object
Firefox console shows Error: TypeError: this.surface is null
Opera states it is on the readystatechange event thread and both agree that the error is thrown on line 106 of the source file
Thanks, excited to try it out once it's gotten working. Radiodef ( talk) 21:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Would be nice of the VisualEditor was the default tab when browsing Wikipedia. This way, it would be a lot easier to make small changes immediately, instead of clicking the tab VisualEditor. Mippzon ( talk) 15:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The tooltip for the outdent button is missing. – sumone10154( talk) 05:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Adding a line of text before the div in my user page caused all the div to be deleted... Quatar ( talk) 10:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the VE inserted nowiki tags into my edit here -- thanks to Johnuniq ( talk) for pointing this out to me. -- Sue Gardner ( talk) 21:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Having read about it in the Signpost, I'm giving the VE a tryout. There is nowhere that I see signposted for feedback, so I'll post a couple of minor grumbles here, although I can't believe I am the first person to encounter them, so maybe someone will direct me to a more appropriate place.
In this edit I accidentally deleted the citation Harv|Méry|Joly|2002 because it appeared to me to be blank space. (In VE mode, I saw a visible citation, followed by a full line of blank space, followed by a period closing the sentence. I deleted the blank space between the citation and the period, which had the effect of also deleting the citation. This is not the first time VE has showed me blank space that isn't really blank.)
This issue might be related to citations being uneditable right now, and maybe it'll disappear once they are editable. But I flag it anyway, in case it's useful :-) Sue Gardner ( talk) 15:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Linking to a file with [[:File:Foo.jpg]]. The leading colon is not stripped: User:Raymond/Linking to a file. Raymond ( talk) 16:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Linking to a category with [[:Category:Foo]]. The leading colon is not stripped: User:Raymond/Linking to a category. Raymond ( talk) 16:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Inline image (used as icon) is incorrectly alienated, sometimes (?).
Test case:
Raymond ( talk) 17:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The link remove/trash icon does nothing. I assume this is meant to delink it, rather than removing the text. So the title text should be clarified too. Superm401 - Talk 17:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
FreedomFighterSparrow ( talk) 11:53, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
[I'm using the latest Firefox version on the Mac; same problem with Chrome on the Mac.] I wanted to edit a single section of an article, which can't be done in VE (see comments above). But with the VE option selected, in my preferences, it looks like I can't edit just an individual section with the regular wiki editor. When I click on the "edit" link in a section of an article, VE starts up, and (of course) shows the entire article (although the pointer is at heading of the section I wanted to edit).
So now I'm going to have to turn off VE, in my preferences, if I want to edit a single section using the normal wiki editor. That's irritating. Please fix this bug. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a bug with this template : the first image’s width is 200px instead of 30px when I want to edit a page (for example Gary Nolan (radio host)), maybe because no width is specified in the wiki source ? — Ltrl G☎, 19:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
HotCat is a popular gadget and any conflict with it should be avoided. For example, use VisualEditor on User:This, that and the other/sandbox/Schfoof with HotCat enabled. The HotCat bar appears in the wrong place. (It probably shouldn't appear at all.)
A complete overhaul of HotCat may be required so it can integrate cleanly with VisualEditor. In fact it would even be nice if HotCat could become the way of editing categories using VisualEditor. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
See User:This, that and the other/sandbox/VE. I highlighted the words "made a link" (which were, at that time, at the end of the paragraph) and made them into a link. But there was no way to "escape" from the link. I wanted to add more (non-linked) text to the end of the paragraph, but it all got swallowed up into the link. Not nice. (By the way, I'm using Firefox 16.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Normally word processors and text editors have a left margin, allowing whole lines to be selected. There would normally be a small gap of a few pixels between the left column of text and the left margin, allowing a "margin of error" for regular text selection. To the left of this gap, any clicks select entire lines, and any drags up or down select many lines at once.
I don't know if there is a need for the complete left margin functionality in VisualEditor, but certainly, the editing area shouldn't stop at the exact edge of the letters. Perhaps the padding on the VE container needs to be increased with a compensating decrease in the margin - or maybe that's totally wrong, but you get the idea. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, the first impression is good and promising, especially for an alpha. We had a bit of hassle trying to edit text between a link and a fullstop plus a citation footnote. The editor kept thinking we were in the link and kept trying to edit the link instead of the text outside the link. If I moved the cursor to the right it ended at the footnote without allowing me to edit normal text. One possible fix might be something like permitting a left-or-right arrow that would exit the link without moving the cursor. Another might be that if I held down a shift key or control key, any text I typed would be outside the link.
Etc etc...
Btw, I entered the foregoing text from the article page, not from this feedback page, which I did not know about, so there is overlap between this wail and some preceding. Still, I am using Firefox 18 <snfff!!!>
JonRichfield ( talk) 12:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I guess this is planned but I prefer to insist, section editing seems very important to (avoid edit conflict and so on). VIGNERON * discut. 08:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Heading 1 is very rare on enwiki, and indeed on most other installations. Where it is used (mostly on project discussion pages), it does not usually need to be edited. VisualEditor should not offer it.
(I also find Heading 6 a strange choice. It is very rarely used as well. I have certainly seen h5, but I honestly don't think I've ever seen a bona fide use of h6.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
When I edited the Architecture section of Varnish (software) (I just moved the word will), it added a spurious ./ to a piped link, breaking it. I didn't touch the link at all. I'm using Iceweasel 11.0.
Furthermore, VE converted spaces in the same link to underscores. Since it's piped, that part doesn't matter, but I know you're trying to avoid dirty diffs, and this is a relatively simple case. Superm401 - Talk 15:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I have visual editor in my preferences and am on List_of_numbers#Algebraic_numbers. I click the section edit link and it defaults to Visual Editor, however that section is awfully complicated to expect it to work with Visual Editor with math stuff there.
1) I am not sure about defaulting section editing to the visual editor, just yet. Maybe it can be a preference?
2) There should be an "Advanced" toggle or button in the edit mode, so I can switch to regular wikitext.
Right now, it seems the only way to edit the math is to disable Visual Editor in my preferences. :( -- Aude ( talk) 21:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
See this edit. The only part of that that was intentional was the removal of the wandering dash. VisualEditor stripped the spaces between the bullets and text. Furthermore, when I clicked "review and save", the diff that was shown to me for review only showed the intentional portion of the change and did not show the removal of that whitespace, which is perhaps the bigger issue. jcgoble3 ( talk) 01:38, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
The editor is automatically adding pages I edit to my watchlist even though i have been careful to ensure that the add to watchlist box is not being checked when I save the edit. NtheP ( talk) 18:55, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Article Areole. Doing a section edit. Generally worked OK, but it ignored my attempts to move a selected (highlighted) word to elsewhere. Am I missing instructions, or is it not yet implemented? JonRichfield ( talk) 16:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Here's an (possibly useless) idea: What if when a user is editing a page with the VisualEditor and a reader submits feedback using the Article Feedback Tool, the feedback immediately showed up in the "notices" part of the editors screen? -- Yair rand ( talk) 12:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
A few minutes ago I wanted to try the VisualEditor for seeing how it looks like. There are two features which I miss (or which I didn't see):
If I use the VisualEditor, it is possible that I want to switch to the old one after changing something and before saving. Without these two features, I can hardly imagine to use the VisualEditor.
I think that the first point is very important for making the VisualEditor usable, the second point only for people knowing the previous wiki markup.
Stefan Knauf (
talk) 18:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I can't figure out how to enter a template using the visual editor; the template code is automatically surrounded with 'nowiki' tags. Powers T 04:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I was editing Star Trek: First Contact, and ended up with three edits in the history (all with the same summary). The first contained the correct edit I intended to make, but the second and third added these erroneous duplications of an unrelated sentence fragment: [3]. Powers T 19:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I've few "template boxes" on my user page. They are side by side, but visual editor does the layout slightly differently. Harriv ( talk) 22:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
This is a continuation of Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive_2012_12#Link_trash_icon_does_nothing. Apparently, my point was unclear. I clicked the trash icon (on a link), and it literally did nothing whatsoever. It did not remove the link from the selection.
Separately, I agree 'remove link' would be better.
I am using Iceweasel/Firefox 11.0. I will try again when I haven an opportunity, and follow up here. Superm401 - Talk 01:30, 30 December 2012 (UTC)