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IrishGuy talk 00:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC) reply
71.56.117.42 first and only edits were to add added cardpricer.com to the Baseball card article.
Twenty minutes later, Blacksoxfan arrived (having never edited this article) and reorders the links slightly. He then adds that same link to other articles: [1] [2] [3] etc.
Blacksoxfan's main motive is to add his own site Blacksoxfan.com to articles [4]. Later Wolverinegod is created. He, too, adds cardpricer.com to articles. [5] [6] He later changes his name to Tecmobowl and continues to argue for the inclusion of Blacksoxfan.com in articles [7] as well as just add it himself [8] [9] [10]
Tecmobowl claimed that the owner of the site was Blacksoxfan. Blacksoxfan had his talk page blanked by 71.56.127.218 (the page was filled with warnings for constantly adding his own site to articles). 71.56.127.218 went on to add Blacksoxfan.com to articles and later admitted to being Tecmobowl. Tecmobowl even went so far as to remove references to Blacksoxfan spamming on an article talk page.
The IP Tecmobowl was using is out of Atlanta, Georgia as was the original IP 71.56.117.42...and the owner of Blacksoxfan.com is also from Atlanta, Georgia.
While Tecmobowl was on a 48 hour block, El redactor appears and his first edit is to add Blacksoxfan.com back to the Shoeless Joe Jackson article. He added it once more after it was deleted and then made a few more useless edits for the day and promptly disappeared. These other edits were pointed to by Tecmobowl as an alibi for it not being a sockpuppet [11]
Tecmobowl later left an edit summary which stated: here's some info for you "sockpuppetry" claim - most edits (if not all) from me and BlackSoxFan are from the same IP!! How could that be??? head scratcher huh. [12]
Checkuser came back Unrelated for User:El redactor and User:Tecmobowl Miss Mondegreen talk 06:41, June 14 2007 (UTC)
There is further discussion about El redactor's similarities to Tecmobowl at this checkuser request page: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tecmobowl and its talk page Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tecmobowl. Baseball Bugs 13:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Tecmobowl decided to warn El redactor...unfortunately, he warned El Redactor not El redactor (note the caps). Magically, El redactor came to my talk page will the full knowledge of a conversation he shouldn't have any knowledge of. El redactor is an obvious sock of Tecmobowl. I have blocked him accordingly. IrishGuy talk 19:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment from Miss Mondegreen
I'm copying over some of my comments from the request for checkuser talk page and replying to some stuff as well:
- Wait, I'm sorry--someone thinks that Tecmo is using a sock puppet and chose the name "El redactor" when he was busy chopping ELs? Sorry, but the irony there is dreadful.
- Also, I just can't swallow this one--while El redactor doesn't have a lot of comments, they sound nothing like Tecmo's. The language style and everything is completely different, his edits appear to be of the gnomish variety, and he sounds new.
- This is a copy of a comment El redactor made at WP:ANI:
"WHAT THE HELL? This is like following a treasure hunt. I go from one talk page to another to another and boom, I end up here. The same guys that have been argumentative and mean spirited. IrishGuy - I just left you a friendly message on your talk page and I have got to say that you are one of the most confrontational people I have seen on here. By the looks of your talk page, Baseball Bugs' talk page, and the comments above about Epfleche, I would say you guys are the sockpuppets. I made my first contributions on Wednesday night before I went to bed, then some more on thursday. Baseball Bugs then edited most of the pages I edited. From what I can tell, you accuse anyone who does not agree with you and get into fights all the time. And aren't you an admin IrishGuy? Aren't admins supposed to be level headed and polite? Maybe you should have that removed. El redactor"
- these are two of his edit summaries:
- 00:57, 12 June 2007 edit to Will Ferrell (removed reference to his birthday, Baseball bugs is following me around)
- 00:58, 12 June 2007 edit to Shoeless Joe Jackson (→External links - second time - Baseball Bugs is following me around - link is good)
- Baseball Bugs is following me around in edit summaries? You guys are the sockpuppets? Maybe you should have that removed (like being an admin is a failed organ)? He sounds like a newbie through and through and he probably wouldn't even be getting to pages like ANI or here etc... is because Irishguy and Baseball Bugs and Epeefleche are all commenting on each others talk pages and ANI on the wikiproject page providing each other with diffs on anything that pops into their heads. half a dozen diffs are exchanged every time someone sneezed, and because El redactor's first edit was on Shoeless Joe, he's been dragged into this whole thing.
<text removed> Miss Mondegreen talk 09:58, June 12 2007 (UTC)
Pretend these are both sockpuppets. Tecmo is blatant with blacksoxfan and then leaves himself notes? And then, waits over a day to get said note and then upon logging in, makes three other edits, two with the edit summaries "Baseball bugs is following me around" and then goes to Irishguy's page...only to comment on the Shoeless Joe section first and then comment on the section that has his sockpuppet's name? How quickly Tecmo has learned and yet he still left the message for the wrong person. If he was trying so hard to be subtle wouldn't he have realized that he'd left the message for the wrong person when he logged in and he had no new messages? Perhaps, just perhaps, El redactor noticed Irishguy at the Shoeless Joe talk page or got sick of baseball bugs "following him around" and went to his contributions and noticed he'd commented on a section called "shoeless joe jackson" on irishguy's page and went to comment there too and then noticed a section about himself. I'm sorry, but this El redactor thing is a serious stretch. Pretend for a second that there was a new editor who started out on that page. Might not the edits that he has look a lot like the ones that he has now? Miss Mondegreen talk 22:43, June 12 2007 (UTC)
the issue of the links alone make it obvious sockpuppetry. If that's not obvious enough, though, take a look at all of the edit summaries made by User:El redactor:
You'll notice that I bolded several of the edit summaries. Now check out User:Tecmobowl's surprisingly similar edit summaries (note that all of these were made over a two day span):
Regarding the issue of the checkuser: this guy is a serial sockpuppeter who has proven that he knows how to use proxies
[13]
[14]. Running a checkuser is a waste of time.
Frankly, I'm annoyed that anyone has to justify taking action against what is obviously a highly disruptive editor. And FYI, my opinion is coming from the peanut gallery here. Caeculus 20:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC) reply
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IrishGuy talk 00:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC) reply
71.56.117.42 first and only edits were to add added cardpricer.com to the Baseball card article.
Twenty minutes later, Blacksoxfan arrived (having never edited this article) and reorders the links slightly. He then adds that same link to other articles: [1] [2] [3] etc.
Blacksoxfan's main motive is to add his own site Blacksoxfan.com to articles [4]. Later Wolverinegod is created. He, too, adds cardpricer.com to articles. [5] [6] He later changes his name to Tecmobowl and continues to argue for the inclusion of Blacksoxfan.com in articles [7] as well as just add it himself [8] [9] [10]
Tecmobowl claimed that the owner of the site was Blacksoxfan. Blacksoxfan had his talk page blanked by 71.56.127.218 (the page was filled with warnings for constantly adding his own site to articles). 71.56.127.218 went on to add Blacksoxfan.com to articles and later admitted to being Tecmobowl. Tecmobowl even went so far as to remove references to Blacksoxfan spamming on an article talk page.
The IP Tecmobowl was using is out of Atlanta, Georgia as was the original IP 71.56.117.42...and the owner of Blacksoxfan.com is also from Atlanta, Georgia.
While Tecmobowl was on a 48 hour block, El redactor appears and his first edit is to add Blacksoxfan.com back to the Shoeless Joe Jackson article. He added it once more after it was deleted and then made a few more useless edits for the day and promptly disappeared. These other edits were pointed to by Tecmobowl as an alibi for it not being a sockpuppet [11]
Tecmobowl later left an edit summary which stated: here's some info for you "sockpuppetry" claim - most edits (if not all) from me and BlackSoxFan are from the same IP!! How could that be??? head scratcher huh. [12]
Checkuser came back Unrelated for User:El redactor and User:Tecmobowl Miss Mondegreen talk 06:41, June 14 2007 (UTC)
There is further discussion about El redactor's similarities to Tecmobowl at this checkuser request page: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tecmobowl and its talk page Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tecmobowl. Baseball Bugs 13:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Tecmobowl decided to warn El redactor...unfortunately, he warned El Redactor not El redactor (note the caps). Magically, El redactor came to my talk page will the full knowledge of a conversation he shouldn't have any knowledge of. El redactor is an obvious sock of Tecmobowl. I have blocked him accordingly. IrishGuy talk 19:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment from Miss Mondegreen
I'm copying over some of my comments from the request for checkuser talk page and replying to some stuff as well:
- Wait, I'm sorry--someone thinks that Tecmo is using a sock puppet and chose the name "El redactor" when he was busy chopping ELs? Sorry, but the irony there is dreadful.
- Also, I just can't swallow this one--while El redactor doesn't have a lot of comments, they sound nothing like Tecmo's. The language style and everything is completely different, his edits appear to be of the gnomish variety, and he sounds new.
- This is a copy of a comment El redactor made at WP:ANI:
"WHAT THE HELL? This is like following a treasure hunt. I go from one talk page to another to another and boom, I end up here. The same guys that have been argumentative and mean spirited. IrishGuy - I just left you a friendly message on your talk page and I have got to say that you are one of the most confrontational people I have seen on here. By the looks of your talk page, Baseball Bugs' talk page, and the comments above about Epfleche, I would say you guys are the sockpuppets. I made my first contributions on Wednesday night before I went to bed, then some more on thursday. Baseball Bugs then edited most of the pages I edited. From what I can tell, you accuse anyone who does not agree with you and get into fights all the time. And aren't you an admin IrishGuy? Aren't admins supposed to be level headed and polite? Maybe you should have that removed. El redactor"
- these are two of his edit summaries:
- 00:57, 12 June 2007 edit to Will Ferrell (removed reference to his birthday, Baseball bugs is following me around)
- 00:58, 12 June 2007 edit to Shoeless Joe Jackson (→External links - second time - Baseball Bugs is following me around - link is good)
- Baseball Bugs is following me around in edit summaries? You guys are the sockpuppets? Maybe you should have that removed (like being an admin is a failed organ)? He sounds like a newbie through and through and he probably wouldn't even be getting to pages like ANI or here etc... is because Irishguy and Baseball Bugs and Epeefleche are all commenting on each others talk pages and ANI on the wikiproject page providing each other with diffs on anything that pops into their heads. half a dozen diffs are exchanged every time someone sneezed, and because El redactor's first edit was on Shoeless Joe, he's been dragged into this whole thing.
<text removed> Miss Mondegreen talk 09:58, June 12 2007 (UTC)
Pretend these are both sockpuppets. Tecmo is blatant with blacksoxfan and then leaves himself notes? And then, waits over a day to get said note and then upon logging in, makes three other edits, two with the edit summaries "Baseball bugs is following me around" and then goes to Irishguy's page...only to comment on the Shoeless Joe section first and then comment on the section that has his sockpuppet's name? How quickly Tecmo has learned and yet he still left the message for the wrong person. If he was trying so hard to be subtle wouldn't he have realized that he'd left the message for the wrong person when he logged in and he had no new messages? Perhaps, just perhaps, El redactor noticed Irishguy at the Shoeless Joe talk page or got sick of baseball bugs "following him around" and went to his contributions and noticed he'd commented on a section called "shoeless joe jackson" on irishguy's page and went to comment there too and then noticed a section about himself. I'm sorry, but this El redactor thing is a serious stretch. Pretend for a second that there was a new editor who started out on that page. Might not the edits that he has look a lot like the ones that he has now? Miss Mondegreen talk 22:43, June 12 2007 (UTC)
the issue of the links alone make it obvious sockpuppetry. If that's not obvious enough, though, take a look at all of the edit summaries made by User:El redactor:
You'll notice that I bolded several of the edit summaries. Now check out User:Tecmobowl's surprisingly similar edit summaries (note that all of these were made over a two day span):
Regarding the issue of the checkuser: this guy is a serial sockpuppeter who has proven that he knows how to use proxies
[13]
[14]. Running a checkuser is a waste of time.
Frankly, I'm annoyed that anyone has to justify taking action against what is obviously a highly disruptive editor. And FYI, my opinion is coming from the peanut gallery here. Caeculus 20:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC) reply