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21 October 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


As with Zerolandteam385, this user completely lacks understanding of what constitutes a source. He also edits many of the same articles, including constantly adding completely nonsensical content trying to link Volkswagen Caddy to various Bedford trucks: Aertgan Zerolandteam385. They also both edit various conspiracy theory articles and some problematic content with Greek connections. I suggest deleting all articles created by Zerolandteam385, as they are not accidentally bad but look like deliberate fabrications.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  01:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  •  Clerk note: Yeah, there's a lot of overlap here, enough that I'm pretty confident Aertgan is a sock. I've also blocked an IP they've edited from while logged out. I can't summarily delete Zerolandteam's articles unless they meet a speedy deletion criterion; recommend AfD. GeneralNotability ( talk) 20:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC) reply

28 October 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


This user popped up just as their previous sock puppet was blocked. As with Aertgan, this user also enters the page title in the "first1", "last1", and "title" fields for citation templates. Also, they are entering absolute nonsense hoax information (PT Cruiser being built on a Dodge Durango chassis) Also continues a tradition of pretending that the VW Caddy is somehow related to GM trucks and using Greek "sources." [1] [2] [3]  Mr.choppers |  ✎  22:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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Yes, I had given Aertgan a heads up a few days earlier hoping they would have something to say. As for the citation use, it is a weird error that I have not seen elsewhere. Also he uses random Greek sources. Most telling is the weird attempts to link VW Caddy/Bedford TA/Chevrolet Advance Design, which all three usernames have engaged in. Anyhow, no rush, we can wait for the CU. Best,  Mr.choppers |  ✎  02:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - This feels like the same person, but I'd be more comfortable with CU confirmation before taking any action. I don't put much weight into the incorrect use of citation templates; the behavior exhibited here is typical of the automated citation tools (Citoid?) mis-parsing web site metadata. Also, Thecarguys was created about 7 hours before Aertgan was blocked, but maybe they were just trying to stay ahead of the previous SPI. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - Mz7 ( talk) 03:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  •  Confirmed plus Aertgan to Zerolandteam385.  Blocked and tagged, closing. Mz7 ( talk) 03:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC) reply

14 November 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Keeps following the same editing practices as Zerolandteam385, Aertgan, and Thecarguys. Adds incorrect and OR content regarding Malkotsis, Bedford TA, Panel truck, and uses bogus Greek sources. By James Micredrogs: Malkotsis, Bedford TA, Panel truck. The user's overarching mission seems to be to make crossover vehicles somehow relate to panel trucks.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  03:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Also edits Chevrolet Advance Design, tries to make a Chevrolet panel truck entry, sharing sockmaster's obsession with Panel trucks (see history, including several other socks' entries). Adds hoax successors and predecessors to various commercial vehicles. Has a weird habit of entering the same text in three or four citation fields as well.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  03:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply

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  •  Confirmed. Indef'd and tagged. No comment in regards to the reported IP address. ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 05:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: Account is blocked and I've nuked their contribs. Leaving the IP alone since it hasn't edited in a month. Closing. GeneralNotability ( talk) 16:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC) reply

26 December 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


Keeps editing things relating to Panel truck, Bedford TA, Chevrolet Advance Design. Has very confused notions regarding Opel Blitz and Bedford TA being rebadged Chevrolets. Here a similar edit by sockmaster. these are edits to Bedford TA and one by another sockpuppet.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  18:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC) reply

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01 February 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


Same fixation on the panel truck article as the sockmaster and most sockpuppets. Added poorly-sourced synthesis remarkably similar to what was added by one of the past socks, including one of the same sources. Sable232 ( talk) 22:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

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  •  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged ST47 ( talk) 05:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC) reply

09 March 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


Similar editing patterns to some of the sock accounts and IPs. Heavy interest in Soviet automobiles, especially trucks. I seem to recall the addition of speculative and unsourced "spiritual successor" information like this to have been done by one of the IP socks in the past. Putting a "sources aren't fake" disclaimer in the account's third articlespace edit suggests the user has been here before.

The evidence is admittedly weaker than with the past socks, but the area of interest and writing style correlate substantially. Sable232 ( talk) 23:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Seconded, this long-term vandal is trying to create all sorts of weird fakery surrounding pre-war Soviet trucks and continues an obsession with the PT Cruiser. I suggest looking at the GAZ-MM history to see the same editor using a series of ips to continue their fakery. Same disclaimers as mentioned by Sable232 above.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  05:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - worth a check for confirmation and sleepers. Non-stale confirmed sock exists in archive for comparison. TheSandDoctor Talk 07:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC) reply
  • This seems like a more obvious case than is lead on to be believed in needing confirmation. The previous SPIs also indicate a low return on sleepers. So i'm going to  Check declined by a checkuser as CU isn't needed to process this case more expediently. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 21:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC) reply

09 August 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


As with Zerolandteam385 and already blocked puppet Aertgan (similar name), this user completely lacks understanding of what constitutes a source. He also edits many of the same articles, including Volkswagen Caddy and various Bedford trucks: Aertgan Zerolandteam385 Makosaerteags. Also, pure vandalism (trying to add engines or names that never existed to various articles), such as here. Loves to add sources that they have no access to to "prove" false information.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  18:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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  •  Clerk note: Based on the editing style and interests, I'm convinced this is the same person. Blocked, tagged, closing. Girth Summit (blether) 14:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC) reply

12 September 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Everything this editor contributes to motor vehicle articles in the article name space is utter nonsense: false production years, false successors/predecessors, false technical descriptions, false histories, a bunch of nonreferences linking to nonsources this editor obviously has no understanding of, and completely made-up content. This editing behaviour is very unique to the person whose accounts are all listed on this case's archive page. This makes be believe that I yet found another account used by this person.

Some examples of the well-known behaviour for the record:

Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 15:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Looking over the archives and the ANI thread, an interest in Soviet trucks seems to be an indicator here. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the subject area to home in on that. Could you provide some diffs that show Vanebbe being interested in Soviet trucks? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Also, ping @ Girth Summit who worked the previous installment of this show. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
RoySmith, this does look like the same person to me. If I remember correctly it wasn't just Soviet trucks they are interested in, it's more historic trucks in general, but FWIW here they are editing about an East German truck, here's another one, and another one. Perhaps worth requesting a CU based to compare with recent socks, and to see if there are other accounts since this one was used concurrently with the last one? Girth Summit (blether) 11:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - Per discussion above, please compare to Makosaerteags from 09 August 2021. It looks like everything earlier than that is stale, but if not, then by all means see if this can be tied back to the case master. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 14:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Vanebbe is very  Likely to Makosaerteags.
  • Vareklasagreece is  Technically indistinguishable to Vanebbe.
  • This, and the behavioural evidence above, is enough for me to  Blocked and tagged all ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 14:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply

5 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Again very obviously the same person as Zerolandteam385 with exactly the same editing behaviour (for instance, successor/predecessor edits in motor vehicle articles, fake sources, etc.). Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 08:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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Agreed. Looks like the same editor to me. -- Sable232 ( talk) 23:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 ( talk) 14:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC) reply

6 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Very obviously the same person (finds the same articles, makes the same edits, demonstrates the same editing behaviour, and is even from the same geographical region)… -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 09:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • The IP hasn't edited in about a week. Closing. Bbb23 ( talk) 14:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC) reply

17 November 2021

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Again very obviously the same person as Zerolandteam385 with exactly the same editing behaviour. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 12:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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21 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Description of Zerolandteam385's behaviour

The person behind the account(s) notoriously makes up everything he writes on Wikipedia. In many other cases, made-up nonsense is immediately obvious. In this case, however, it is not, as the editor uses the concept of plausibility when making up stuff. This means that, the person is skilled in a way that he is able to make convincing edits, and even write complete articles that are total nonsense but appear like any other legit article to the average reader. The person has some typical characteristics that I'd like to describe:

  • Motor vehicle edits - The majority of the articles edited or created by this person are car or lorry articles.
  • Successor and predecessor edits - The most obvious editing pattern is making edits related to successors and predecessors of vehicles, most often in the articles' infoboxes. He also very much likes to claim that certain third-party manufacturers (typically lesser known manufacturers from Eastern Europe) have made a certain type of vehicle by another manufacturer.
  • Fake sources - When "referencing" content, the person typically "cites" sources that seem like they can be used to verify the claims made, however, the verification always fails. That is because the sources are either not suited for Wikipedia (Pinterest for instance), or because the person "cites" a random page in a book without knowing what the page contents actually are, since he has never held the book in his hands. Sometimes, cited sources can be used to verify like one per cent of an article's contets, however, that is a rare occurence.
  • Talk page usage - The person doesn't use talk pages at all, and ignores ALL kinds of messages. It is totally impossible to communicate with this person other than through the edit summary. He doesn't care about his own talk page, ANI, or SPI.
  • Reverting - The person never uses the rollback function, he always reverts manually.
  • Greece - The person has been editing with Greek IP addresses.
  • Account changing - As soon as someone figures out what his current account is, he creates a new one to continue his mission. He has since used more than a dozen different accounts and doesn't seem willing to stop.

-- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 19:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  •  On hold - for training -- RoySmith (talk) 19:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - 185.44.147.0/24 is quacking loudly. There’s been no-one other than this editor on that range since September. Please anonblock 185.44.147.0/24 for a month, with account creation blocked. 185.44.146.0/23 and 185.44.144.0/22 could also be considered for rangeblocks in the future if the disruption returns or expands. -- Jack Frost ( talk) 23:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • information Administrator note:  IP blocked clpo13( talk) 01:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC) reply

08 January 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


Identical topic area to the master and all of the socks, particularly the obsession with articles like Bedford CF and Bedford TJ, and adding random unsourced predecessors/successors (e.g. [10], [11], [12]). Sable232 ( talk) 03:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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I have seen that I'm on a list for sockpuppets from a Zerolandteam385 guy. I don't know who that person is nor do I have any connection with him whatsoever. I opened this account so I can contribute to edits of my favorite classic cars. From what I've read on the sockpuppet investigation, they were vandalizing automotive articles with fake sources. Just because I put vehicles in the predecessor and successor fields, does not mean I'm a sockpuppet of anyone at all. Some of the articles I edited already (for example the Renault Fregate), already had the Renault Rambler as it's successor in the "Epilogue field", before I even signed in Wikipedia. I just removed that the Renault 16 is it's successor, since the Rambler is specified as it's successor in the "Epilogue field". I even put the source that supported the Rambler as it's successor. The Bedford articles that I edited was because they were mostly full of wrong stuff (for example, the article said that the TJ served as the basis for the AWD Tank Transporter, something that is completely fake, since the Tank Transporter has the same cab as the TM).

Also, the articles I put in my articles are not fake. You can buy these books and read them to say that they support what I write. Honestly, I don't want my account to be banned, because some asshole vandalized automotive articles that I later edited. If an administrator wants to ask me anything, I will anwser as soon as possible, but please get your stuff right. Just because I edit classic automotive articles, that some fucker had also vandalized, does NOT mean I'm the same person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredbzar ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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25 January 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The person behind the account(s) notoriously makes up everything he writes on Wikipedia. In many other cases, made-up nonsense is immediately obvious. In this case, however, it is not, as the editor uses the concept of plausibility when making up stuff. This means that, the person is skilled in a way that he is able to make convincing edits, and even write complete articles that are total nonsense but appear like any other legit article to the average reader. The person has some typical characteristics that I'd like to describe:

  • Motor vehicle edits
The majority of the articles edited or created by this person are car or lorry articles.
  • Successor and predecessor edits
The most obvious editing pattern is making edits related to successors and predecessors of vehicles, most often in the articles' infoboxes. He also very much likes to claim that certain third-party manufacturers (typically lesser known manufacturers from Eastern Europe) have made a certain type of vehicle by another manufacturer.
  • Brand obsession
The person seems to be obsessed with Bedford lorries, as well as East-European manufacturers ( ЗиЛ, IFA, etc.)
  • Fake sources
When "referencing" content, the person typically "cites" sources that seem like they can be used to verify the claims made, however, the verification always fails. That is because the sources are either not suited for Wikipedia (Pinterest for instance), or because the person "cites" a random page in a book without knowing what the page contents actually are, since he has never held the book in his hands. Sometimes, cited sources can be used to verify like one per cent of an article's contets, however, that is a rare occurence.
  • Talk page usage
The person doesn't use talk pages at all, and ignores ALL kinds of messages. It is totally impossible to communicate with this person other than through the edit summary. He doesn't care about his own talk page, ANI, or SPI.
  • Reverting
The person never uses the rollback function, he always reverts manually.
  • Greece
The person has been editing with Greek IP addresses.
  • Account changing
As soon as someone figures out what his current account is, he creates a new one to continue his mission. He has since used more than a dozen different accounts and doesn't seem willing to stop.

-- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 19:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC) reply


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Obviously the same user. Same edit behaviour, same content, same problems as last times. Pops up on my watchlist at periodic time intervals. Regards, -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 18:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • Enough similarity to put it well beyond reasonable doubt. I have blocked and will tag. JBW ( talk) 22:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC) reply

31 January 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

-- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 13:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Johannes Maximilian Thank you for supplying the detailed "Description of Zerolandteam385's behaviour", but I've removed the entire section. The format of SPI pages is rigidly controlled because various pieces of software need to be able to parse them correctly. WP:LTA would be a more appropriate (and appreciated) place for this material. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply
PS, I see a copy is in the archives under 25 January 2022, which is fine. People investigating the case will find it there. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • Understanding ZLT is always a bit tough for me, because it relies on a subject-matter expertise that I (and I think most clerks/admins/CUs) just don't have. That's why I asked Johannes to write up the description thing a while ago, and I'm grateful for it, because it's proven helpful. I concur with Roy that it's fine just having it in the archives, and that if it needs to be updated frequently it should be made into an LTA page. Regardless, in this case there's a tell that even I can spot, namely [17] vs. [18]. Plus, of course, Greek IP.
    Quiet /18. This was probably them in February, and this in December may have been but probably wasn't, and that's it. Given that it was just a flurry of edits from this IP 18 hours ago, I doubt a block will do much, so closing without action but with a finding of socking. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 03:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC) reply

03 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Same areas of interest and the same original research and nonsensical "undirect" successors. See Johannes Maximilian's notes in the archive for a detailed description of this LTA's behavior. The Shreddertmnt2003 account is a bit strange - started out making typical ZLT385 edits like this, but then does this. Might be legitimate, but could just as easily be a misdirection tactic by the sockmaster. Sable232 ( talk) 13:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - I'm confident that both of these accounts are Zerolandteam385 based on the evidence in the filing and another behavioural quirk that I don't want to fully describe here. However, I'm endorsing to look for other accounts because it's been a while since the last check and these accounts are being used concurrently. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 00:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - -- RoySmith (talk) 01:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Smurfter1998 and Shreddertmnt2003 are  Confirmed to Fredbzar and Truckser, so tagging as proven. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply
    PS:  No sleepers immediately visible -- RoySmith (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply

09 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Typical lorry vandal behaviour as described here. Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 19:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Added another one - same behavior, stopping less than an hour before the Lutonmover account started editing. Interesting that a second account was created before the first was even detected. -- Sable232 ( talk) 23:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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@ Tamzin: Virtually every edit from the Special:Contribs/185.44.147.0/24 IP range since at least May 2021 has been a lorry vandal edit, and I suppose that blocking this range would cause almost no collateral damage. In addition to that, I have found two additional lorry vandal socks (I have added them above). Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 07:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Post Scriptum: I guess that installing a WP:EFR is a valid option, because like 60 per cent or so of the lorry vandal's edits contain the word "Bedford". -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 07:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Tamzin: I went through the /24 range's edits and I think I got everything. I believe semi-protection on Isuzu Fargo would also be in order - almost all edits since early 2021 have either been ZLT385 or reversions thereof. -- Sable232 ( talk) 14:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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17 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The user continues editing the same articles about soviet cars as previous puppets, eg. [19] C messier ( talk) 09:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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Passes the duck test. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 10:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply
Added 1 account with same behaviour, including user page. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 15:18, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply
+1, dito. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 17:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

21 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Obviously the lorry vandal with the typical editing behaviour. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 15:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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23 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Obviously the lorry vandal with the typical editing behaviour. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 10:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC) reply

15 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar topic area, including Opel Blitz (a long-time favorite target of this user); the edit to that article contains the use of Russian-language sources and the odd fixation with alleged Chevrolet styling cues on Opels/Vauxhalls/Bedfords that are characteristic of ZLT385. The userpage is oddly similar to that of Vanebbe, one of the more prolific past socks, with the strange collection of random classic car parts. This account is doing mostly additions of curb weight to articles (albeit in some cases for the wrong car) which is a new tack, but this all seems suspicious. Sable232 ( talk) 15:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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Btw who is this? I'am no sockpuppet but I don't really know how IPs can be shared from afar. I don't think that collecting classic car parts proves that I have any connection (which I don't) with this Vanebbe, many people do that. Now about the Opel Blitz article, I just edited it because at that time I was trying to find German vehicles to edit (mostly for weight addition) and stumbled upon it. The Opel Blitz does indeed share characteristics with the 1947-1955 AD family but most sources supporting that were not accepted by Wikipedia. I don't want to make a huge case on this but it is obvious that the sources I added do indeed prove my edits (I have also cited the specific part where they are mentioned) and even without it it is clear that the main cab of the 1952-1959 Opel Blitz is indeed similar to the Chevy counterpart. The Russian source that I added was the only site that had information about the COE model, so it is not any fixation. Had it been an Italian source, I would have added it. I would suggest checking my sources directly before having any major decisions. I can also provide a screenshot of my IP if that is the case, but I don't really know how can I post it here since Wikimedia Commons may not accept it. Anyway, I don't really know about this case but if further accusations are put forward, I will be here. In the end, many people like classic cars and having them all tagged as "ZLT sockpuppets" wouldn't be the most helpful. The sources I cited in most of my articles (including the Blitz) are reliable so please directly check them if you can (or even have the patience to do so). I also wouldn't all my edits including the curb weight ones to be reverted just because I'am wrongly accused. After all, Edmunds isn't a shay website, at least to my eyes.

I have not edited any Bedford articles but the fact that early 1950s Opel and Vauxhall cars are indeed similar (at least to some extent) is indeed true. So no, I have not any weird fixation on the Opel Blitz nor have I been vandalizing it with uncited claims. Finding little clues on anyone can make the thought that they are someone else's sockpuppet so all this just triggers ours minds more and is not really heplful. However, as I said before I can send you a pic of my IP to prove that I'am not Vanebbe. Oldgreensandman ( talk) 10:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Passes the duck test. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 05:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC) reply
What duck test does it passes? There are many people that love classic cars in the world, not only me. With the same mind you can tag every "oldtimer" as a Zerolandteam385 sockpuppet, it just doesn't add up. This behavior just makes Wikipedia look like an utopia (and not in the good sense of the word). Okay, I understand that Wikipedia should get rid off unsourced edits but mine's aren't unsourced. In the Blitz article I have perfectly cited my sources about my claims and they can freely be checked, but even without them you can clearly see the resemblance between the 1950s Blitz and the 1950s Chevy pickup, after all Opel was a GM division. I know that it may come off as "Original Research" but after a point it just looks like Wikipedia just dismisses common logic and goes on.
There are also many other car articles that don't source all of the OP's claims. For example, the Ford Taunus P6 states that "The Ford Taunus P6 inherited its wheelbase from the previous model but the new body was nevertheless longer and wider, though lower. This reflected the design trends evident throughout western Europe at the time." However, there is no source supporting this. Shouldn't this also be reversed?
Btw, I have also seen a tend in blocking users that really looks off, at least to me. Why does a blocked user's edits have to be reversed? If they are cited and true and expand the article they deserve to be kept, despite of their editor's fate. My best guess is that the moderators see that the person is blocked and just reverse the edits without ever bothering to check what's in them, automatically thinking they added bullshit.
And to the last point, I can prove that I'am not ZLT385. Because I have to do some work and can't be botered with this site's totalitarian "rules", I will post a screenshot of my IP so I can prove that I'am not them. Just because I have common logic and notice that the Blitz is similair to the Chevy does not prove anything, only a retard wouldn't be able to do so. Oldgreensandman ( talk) 11:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 ( talk) 12:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC) reply

11 June 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Same topic area and editing style - first edit was this which has all the hallmarks of this user. Sable232 ( talk) 14:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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Passes the duck test. Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 20:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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14 June 2022

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Obviously the same editor. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 09:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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18 June 2022

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First edit was to one of this LTA's favorite targets, subsequent ones include the "indirect successor" gibberish that they are fond of ( [21], [22]). Sable232 ( talk) 13:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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18 August 2022

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Raise your hand if you're tired of this one. Hardblock placed on range. All are blocked, but not tagged. Drmies ( talk) 21:20, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply

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I'm not quite sure whether these are the same, but it wouldn't surprise me because of the similar (but not identical) edit pattern. Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 23:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • I found Kungfumoi ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as well, making a single edit that lines up with this user's pattern.

    @ Liz: I don't think there's a link between the two. The editing patterns differ greatly, and Zerolandteam385's IP socks have all geolocated to Greece while DavidWittas' IP socks are from India. Indestrubleseeper could be related - it fits the new pattern of creating a new account for every edit.

    I went through and reverted the remainder of the edits. The Rushul account still needs a block. -- Sable232 ( talk) 23:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Well, Sable232, it seemed unusual for two separate sock groups to be editing car model articles on the same day but this is my first encounter with either sock farms so I trust your opinion. It just seemed very coincidental. Liz Read! Talk! 00:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply
User:Liz, I checked and blocked another DavidWittas block--see my note on that SPI, if you like. Sable232 was correct. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 14:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply

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03 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

I think these two may have escaped notice with last month's batch of socks. Both created in August to edit a single article like all the rest from that group. Having gone undetected, they're back to editing. The topic area matches up, including the obsession with Bedford and Isuzu. CheckUser is a matter of course for this sockmaster at this point. Sable232 ( talk) 15:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

@ RoySmith: Thanks. I reverted the socks above. It makes sense to not transcribe the rest of the socks here, but since I won't know what they are, can you revert their edits? -- Sable232 ( talk) 16:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply
They're in my block log -- RoySmith (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • These two are  Confirmed. There's a metric boatload of other unblocked single-use accounts that are obviously also Zeroland; I'll block the ones I see, but it's not worth the effort to transcribe them here. There's a range block already in place which may be of some help, and I've left some notes in cuwiki about what I think is a better strategy going forward. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

04 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Not excited to reopen this tiresome case yet again, but in rooting out the edits from the previous batch, I found more likely sockpuppets, most are same as all the recent ones. Agent30June and Gefahren Wagen are different - their edits were to duplicate existing sections and add a little bit of ZLT385-style content - and then one of the other socks would swoop in and remove the duplicate sections while leaving the content the sockmaster really wanted to add. Sable232 ( talk) 14:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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Added Johncorvettas, same edits, most obvios on recent GAZ-21 change. See also Greece-related edit on State car article. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 17:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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04 September 2022

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Reopening this to add Pegyflicks and Sl890, found while reverting the others. -- Sable232 ( talk) 19:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Spicy - I'll make note of that for the future, thanks. -- Sable232 ( talk) 01:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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09 October 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Untenable automotive successors and falsified sources, as the sockmaster had done from the beginning ( [23], [24]). These two accounts also fit the recent pattern of creating a new account to edit a single article in the hope of avoiding detection. The two accounts edited related articles and just happened to both mention the same specific somewhat-obscure 1950s truck (Cameo Carrier), and both seem too-familiar with template syntax for new editors. CheckUser requested due to the likelihood of additional single-purpose sock accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 14:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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14 November 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

A single edit to Opel Blitz, one of the sockmaster's favorite targets. Seems all too familiar with template syntax and citation style for a new user. While I couldn't find past edits to this article that align particularly strongly with this one, this is very much within the sockmaster's MO. CheckUser requested because if there's one, there are almost certainly more given past trends. Sable232 ( talk) 23:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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11 July 2023

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Identical topic area and editing patterns to the master and most socks. CheckUser requested due to the sockmaster's past use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 21:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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23 July 2023

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Same topic area, same editing pattern. Sleeper account created shortly after a batch of socks was blocked last November, and resumed editing after the most recent batch of socks was found a little over a week ago. CheckUser requested because there's always sleepers with this sockmaster. Sable232 ( talk) 21:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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25 July 2023

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Edits to the usual articles. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 13:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 13:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC) reply

29 July 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar edit pattern in el.wikipedia (here in en.wikipedia has only one edit), focusing in the soviet and old american and british trucks. C messier ( talk) 10:33, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • One user has no contributions at en.wiki. Another is not even registered at en.wiki. And the third had one edit at en.wiki last March. Closing with no action. Bbb23 ( talk) 13:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

24 October 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

The same fixation on Bedford vehicles that the sockmaster was known for. The user is from Greece, so the "Aegean" part of the second sock's username is another indicator. Sable232 ( talk) 21:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply

@ MarioGom: This edit by Aegeanbprowse is very similar to the most recent edit on that page by a previous sock. This LTA has repeatedly made this edit to Opel Blitz changing its successor to something other than an Opel, which PlymouthRunnerb has also done.
I would note that there is another newly-created account editing Opel Blitz - Wikipedianfixer ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). ZLT385 frequently has multiple sockpuppets concurrently as indicated on the SPI archive page, so I would like to reiterate my request for CheckUser. -- Sable232 ( talk) 15:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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  •  Additional information needed. In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:
  1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
  2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
  3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this. MarioGom ( talk) 20:13, 3 November 2023 (UTC) reply

12 November 2023

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This edit is nearly the same as one made to the same article by one of the previous socks. CheckUser requested because this LTA has been known to use sleeper accounts in the past, and activity seems to be increasing of late. Sable232 ( talk) 15:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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14 January 2024

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This edit is nearly the same as this edit from a previous sock. CheckUser requested on account of the sockmaster's frequent use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 16:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Burdyfruan is  Confirmed. There's a bunch of sleepers, but I don't have time to dig into that right now. If another CU wants to follow up on this, I left some notes in cuwik that should get you started. RoySmith (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Looks like Roy and I checked at the same time. The following accounts are  Confirmed to Burdyfruan:
  • These are  Likely:
Spicy ( talk) 19:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  •  Blocked and tagged. Closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 19:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply

16 February 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Deleted a section from Chevrolet Advance Design, one of this LTA's favorite targets, mirroring an edit made by one of the previous socks. Other edits so far fit the usual pattern. CheckUser would probably be useful given the frequent use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 00:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • It's them, also
Spicy ( talk) 00:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC) reply

16 March 2024

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User's action at Opel Blitz reminded me of edits from previous socks like User:PlymouthRunnerb, especially the successor change to Bedford Blitz and related changes in text Denniss ( talk) 11:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  •  Highly likely plus:
Spicy ( talk) 01:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  •  Blocked and tagged, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 01:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

30 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

User does a lot of edits in articles that where previously attacked by socks from the same person, for example GAZ-MM and GAZ-13, and none on other topics. Also does a lot of edits in the Volga-car-range-topic, that was his last target in german Wikipedia as Rodonspace (see [25], Rodonspace is a confirmed sock and also blocked at de.WP), for example GAZ-3105 (which is not visible, because the history of the article was imported due to copyright issues during the translation process, but my german import request is here for comparisson). Very characteristic is also this edit, changing the car class from mid-size to executive and similar edits, like for example here before. Other edits so not out of the current pattern. CheckUser would be useful due to the frequent use of sock accounts. Thanks, sorry for my English. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 18:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • That's them, plus

 Blocked and tagged, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 23:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

16 April 2024

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This edit mirrors one by a previous sock, as does this one to this one. CheckUser requested because when there's one, there's usually more. Sable232 ( talk) 02:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • It's them +
Spicy ( talk) 14:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  •  Blocked and tagged, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 14:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Zerolandteam385

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21 October 2020

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As with Zerolandteam385, this user completely lacks understanding of what constitutes a source. He also edits many of the same articles, including constantly adding completely nonsensical content trying to link Volkswagen Caddy to various Bedford trucks: Aertgan Zerolandteam385. They also both edit various conspiracy theory articles and some problematic content with Greek connections. I suggest deleting all articles created by Zerolandteam385, as they are not accidentally bad but look like deliberate fabrications.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  01:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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  •  Clerk note: Yeah, there's a lot of overlap here, enough that I'm pretty confident Aertgan is a sock. I've also blocked an IP they've edited from while logged out. I can't summarily delete Zerolandteam's articles unless they meet a speedy deletion criterion; recommend AfD. GeneralNotability ( talk) 20:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC) reply

28 October 2020

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This user popped up just as their previous sock puppet was blocked. As with Aertgan, this user also enters the page title in the "first1", "last1", and "title" fields for citation templates. Also, they are entering absolute nonsense hoax information (PT Cruiser being built on a Dodge Durango chassis) Also continues a tradition of pretending that the VW Caddy is somehow related to GM trucks and using Greek "sources." [1] [2] [3]  Mr.choppers |  ✎  22:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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Yes, I had given Aertgan a heads up a few days earlier hoping they would have something to say. As for the citation use, it is a weird error that I have not seen elsewhere. Also he uses random Greek sources. Most telling is the weird attempts to link VW Caddy/Bedford TA/Chevrolet Advance Design, which all three usernames have engaged in. Anyhow, no rush, we can wait for the CU. Best,  Mr.choppers |  ✎  02:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - This feels like the same person, but I'd be more comfortable with CU confirmation before taking any action. I don't put much weight into the incorrect use of citation templates; the behavior exhibited here is typical of the automated citation tools (Citoid?) mis-parsing web site metadata. Also, Thecarguys was created about 7 hours before Aertgan was blocked, but maybe they were just trying to stay ahead of the previous SPI. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - Mz7 ( talk) 03:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  •  Confirmed plus Aertgan to Zerolandteam385.  Blocked and tagged, closing. Mz7 ( talk) 03:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC) reply

14 November 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Keeps following the same editing practices as Zerolandteam385, Aertgan, and Thecarguys. Adds incorrect and OR content regarding Malkotsis, Bedford TA, Panel truck, and uses bogus Greek sources. By James Micredrogs: Malkotsis, Bedford TA, Panel truck. The user's overarching mission seems to be to make crossover vehicles somehow relate to panel trucks.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  03:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Also edits Chevrolet Advance Design, tries to make a Chevrolet panel truck entry, sharing sockmaster's obsession with Panel trucks (see history, including several other socks' entries). Adds hoax successors and predecessors to various commercial vehicles. Has a weird habit of entering the same text in three or four citation fields as well.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  03:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply

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  •  Confirmed. Indef'd and tagged. No comment in regards to the reported IP address. ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 05:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: Account is blocked and I've nuked their contribs. Leaving the IP alone since it hasn't edited in a month. Closing. GeneralNotability ( talk) 16:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC) reply

26 December 2020

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Keeps editing things relating to Panel truck, Bedford TA, Chevrolet Advance Design. Has very confused notions regarding Opel Blitz and Bedford TA being rebadged Chevrolets. Here a similar edit by sockmaster. these are edits to Bedford TA and one by another sockpuppet.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  18:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC) reply

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01 February 2021

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Same fixation on the panel truck article as the sockmaster and most sockpuppets. Added poorly-sourced synthesis remarkably similar to what was added by one of the past socks, including one of the same sources. Sable232 ( talk) 22:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

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  •  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged ST47 ( talk) 05:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC) reply

09 March 2021

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Similar editing patterns to some of the sock accounts and IPs. Heavy interest in Soviet automobiles, especially trucks. I seem to recall the addition of speculative and unsourced "spiritual successor" information like this to have been done by one of the IP socks in the past. Putting a "sources aren't fake" disclaimer in the account's third articlespace edit suggests the user has been here before.

The evidence is admittedly weaker than with the past socks, but the area of interest and writing style correlate substantially. Sable232 ( talk) 23:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Seconded, this long-term vandal is trying to create all sorts of weird fakery surrounding pre-war Soviet trucks and continues an obsession with the PT Cruiser. I suggest looking at the GAZ-MM history to see the same editor using a series of ips to continue their fakery. Same disclaimers as mentioned by Sable232 above.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  05:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - worth a check for confirmation and sleepers. Non-stale confirmed sock exists in archive for comparison. TheSandDoctor Talk 07:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC) reply
  • This seems like a more obvious case than is lead on to be believed in needing confirmation. The previous SPIs also indicate a low return on sleepers. So i'm going to  Check declined by a checkuser as CU isn't needed to process this case more expediently. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 21:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC) reply

09 August 2021

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As with Zerolandteam385 and already blocked puppet Aertgan (similar name), this user completely lacks understanding of what constitutes a source. He also edits many of the same articles, including Volkswagen Caddy and various Bedford trucks: Aertgan Zerolandteam385 Makosaerteags. Also, pure vandalism (trying to add engines or names that never existed to various articles), such as here. Loves to add sources that they have no access to to "prove" false information.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  18:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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  •  Clerk note: Based on the editing style and interests, I'm convinced this is the same person. Blocked, tagged, closing. Girth Summit (blether) 14:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC) reply

12 September 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Everything this editor contributes to motor vehicle articles in the article name space is utter nonsense: false production years, false successors/predecessors, false technical descriptions, false histories, a bunch of nonreferences linking to nonsources this editor obviously has no understanding of, and completely made-up content. This editing behaviour is very unique to the person whose accounts are all listed on this case's archive page. This makes be believe that I yet found another account used by this person.

Some examples of the well-known behaviour for the record:

Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 15:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Looking over the archives and the ANI thread, an interest in Soviet trucks seems to be an indicator here. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the subject area to home in on that. Could you provide some diffs that show Vanebbe being interested in Soviet trucks? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Also, ping @ Girth Summit who worked the previous installment of this show. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
RoySmith, this does look like the same person to me. If I remember correctly it wasn't just Soviet trucks they are interested in, it's more historic trucks in general, but FWIW here they are editing about an East German truck, here's another one, and another one. Perhaps worth requesting a CU based to compare with recent socks, and to see if there are other accounts since this one was used concurrently with the last one? Girth Summit (blether) 11:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - Per discussion above, please compare to Makosaerteags from 09 August 2021. It looks like everything earlier than that is stale, but if not, then by all means see if this can be tied back to the case master. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 14:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Vanebbe is very  Likely to Makosaerteags.
  • Vareklasagreece is  Technically indistinguishable to Vanebbe.
  • This, and the behavioural evidence above, is enough for me to  Blocked and tagged all ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 14:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply

5 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Again very obviously the same person as Zerolandteam385 with exactly the same editing behaviour (for instance, successor/predecessor edits in motor vehicle articles, fake sources, etc.). Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 08:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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Agreed. Looks like the same editor to me. -- Sable232 ( talk) 23:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 ( talk) 14:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC) reply

6 November 2021

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Very obviously the same person (finds the same articles, makes the same edits, demonstrates the same editing behaviour, and is even from the same geographical region)… -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 09:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • The IP hasn't edited in about a week. Closing. Bbb23 ( talk) 14:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC) reply

17 November 2021

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Again very obviously the same person as Zerolandteam385 with exactly the same editing behaviour. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 12:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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This case is being reviewed by Tamzin as part of her training as a clerk. Please allow her to process the entire case without interference. You may pose any questions or concerns either on her talk page or on this page.

21 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Description of Zerolandteam385's behaviour

The person behind the account(s) notoriously makes up everything he writes on Wikipedia. In many other cases, made-up nonsense is immediately obvious. In this case, however, it is not, as the editor uses the concept of plausibility when making up stuff. This means that, the person is skilled in a way that he is able to make convincing edits, and even write complete articles that are total nonsense but appear like any other legit article to the average reader. The person has some typical characteristics that I'd like to describe:

  • Motor vehicle edits - The majority of the articles edited or created by this person are car or lorry articles.
  • Successor and predecessor edits - The most obvious editing pattern is making edits related to successors and predecessors of vehicles, most often in the articles' infoboxes. He also very much likes to claim that certain third-party manufacturers (typically lesser known manufacturers from Eastern Europe) have made a certain type of vehicle by another manufacturer.
  • Fake sources - When "referencing" content, the person typically "cites" sources that seem like they can be used to verify the claims made, however, the verification always fails. That is because the sources are either not suited for Wikipedia (Pinterest for instance), or because the person "cites" a random page in a book without knowing what the page contents actually are, since he has never held the book in his hands. Sometimes, cited sources can be used to verify like one per cent of an article's contets, however, that is a rare occurence.
  • Talk page usage - The person doesn't use talk pages at all, and ignores ALL kinds of messages. It is totally impossible to communicate with this person other than through the edit summary. He doesn't care about his own talk page, ANI, or SPI.
  • Reverting - The person never uses the rollback function, he always reverts manually.
  • Greece - The person has been editing with Greek IP addresses.
  • Account changing - As soon as someone figures out what his current account is, he creates a new one to continue his mission. He has since used more than a dozen different accounts and doesn't seem willing to stop.

-- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 19:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  •  On hold - for training -- RoySmith (talk) 19:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - 185.44.147.0/24 is quacking loudly. There’s been no-one other than this editor on that range since September. Please anonblock 185.44.147.0/24 for a month, with account creation blocked. 185.44.146.0/23 and 185.44.144.0/22 could also be considered for rangeblocks in the future if the disruption returns or expands. -- Jack Frost ( talk) 23:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • information Administrator note:  IP blocked clpo13( talk) 01:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC) reply

08 January 2022

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Identical topic area to the master and all of the socks, particularly the obsession with articles like Bedford CF and Bedford TJ, and adding random unsourced predecessors/successors (e.g. [10], [11], [12]). Sable232 ( talk) 03:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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I have seen that I'm on a list for sockpuppets from a Zerolandteam385 guy. I don't know who that person is nor do I have any connection with him whatsoever. I opened this account so I can contribute to edits of my favorite classic cars. From what I've read on the sockpuppet investigation, they were vandalizing automotive articles with fake sources. Just because I put vehicles in the predecessor and successor fields, does not mean I'm a sockpuppet of anyone at all. Some of the articles I edited already (for example the Renault Fregate), already had the Renault Rambler as it's successor in the "Epilogue field", before I even signed in Wikipedia. I just removed that the Renault 16 is it's successor, since the Rambler is specified as it's successor in the "Epilogue field". I even put the source that supported the Rambler as it's successor. The Bedford articles that I edited was because they were mostly full of wrong stuff (for example, the article said that the TJ served as the basis for the AWD Tank Transporter, something that is completely fake, since the Tank Transporter has the same cab as the TM).

Also, the articles I put in my articles are not fake. You can buy these books and read them to say that they support what I write. Honestly, I don't want my account to be banned, because some asshole vandalized automotive articles that I later edited. If an administrator wants to ask me anything, I will anwser as soon as possible, but please get your stuff right. Just because I edit classic automotive articles, that some fucker had also vandalized, does NOT mean I'm the same person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredbzar ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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25 January 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The person behind the account(s) notoriously makes up everything he writes on Wikipedia. In many other cases, made-up nonsense is immediately obvious. In this case, however, it is not, as the editor uses the concept of plausibility when making up stuff. This means that, the person is skilled in a way that he is able to make convincing edits, and even write complete articles that are total nonsense but appear like any other legit article to the average reader. The person has some typical characteristics that I'd like to describe:

  • Motor vehicle edits
The majority of the articles edited or created by this person are car or lorry articles.
  • Successor and predecessor edits
The most obvious editing pattern is making edits related to successors and predecessors of vehicles, most often in the articles' infoboxes. He also very much likes to claim that certain third-party manufacturers (typically lesser known manufacturers from Eastern Europe) have made a certain type of vehicle by another manufacturer.
  • Brand obsession
The person seems to be obsessed with Bedford lorries, as well as East-European manufacturers ( ЗиЛ, IFA, etc.)
  • Fake sources
When "referencing" content, the person typically "cites" sources that seem like they can be used to verify the claims made, however, the verification always fails. That is because the sources are either not suited for Wikipedia (Pinterest for instance), or because the person "cites" a random page in a book without knowing what the page contents actually are, since he has never held the book in his hands. Sometimes, cited sources can be used to verify like one per cent of an article's contets, however, that is a rare occurence.
  • Talk page usage
The person doesn't use talk pages at all, and ignores ALL kinds of messages. It is totally impossible to communicate with this person other than through the edit summary. He doesn't care about his own talk page, ANI, or SPI.
  • Reverting
The person never uses the rollback function, he always reverts manually.
  • Greece
The person has been editing with Greek IP addresses.
  • Account changing
As soon as someone figures out what his current account is, he creates a new one to continue his mission. He has since used more than a dozen different accounts and doesn't seem willing to stop.

-- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 19:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC) reply


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Obviously the same user. Same edit behaviour, same content, same problems as last times. Pops up on my watchlist at periodic time intervals. Regards, -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 18:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • Enough similarity to put it well beyond reasonable doubt. I have blocked and will tag. JBW ( talk) 22:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC) reply

31 January 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

-- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 13:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Johannes Maximilian Thank you for supplying the detailed "Description of Zerolandteam385's behaviour", but I've removed the entire section. The format of SPI pages is rigidly controlled because various pieces of software need to be able to parse them correctly. WP:LTA would be a more appropriate (and appreciated) place for this material. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply
PS, I see a copy is in the archives under 25 January 2022, which is fine. People investigating the case will find it there. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • Understanding ZLT is always a bit tough for me, because it relies on a subject-matter expertise that I (and I think most clerks/admins/CUs) just don't have. That's why I asked Johannes to write up the description thing a while ago, and I'm grateful for it, because it's proven helpful. I concur with Roy that it's fine just having it in the archives, and that if it needs to be updated frequently it should be made into an LTA page. Regardless, in this case there's a tell that even I can spot, namely [17] vs. [18]. Plus, of course, Greek IP.
    Quiet /18. This was probably them in February, and this in December may have been but probably wasn't, and that's it. Given that it was just a flurry of edits from this IP 18 hours ago, I doubt a block will do much, so closing without action but with a finding of socking. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 03:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC) reply

03 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Same areas of interest and the same original research and nonsensical "undirect" successors. See Johannes Maximilian's notes in the archive for a detailed description of this LTA's behavior. The Shreddertmnt2003 account is a bit strange - started out making typical ZLT385 edits like this, but then does this. Might be legitimate, but could just as easily be a misdirection tactic by the sockmaster. Sable232 ( talk) 13:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - I'm confident that both of these accounts are Zerolandteam385 based on the evidence in the filing and another behavioural quirk that I don't want to fully describe here. However, I'm endorsing to look for other accounts because it's been a while since the last check and these accounts are being used concurrently. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 00:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - -- RoySmith (talk) 01:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Smurfter1998 and Shreddertmnt2003 are  Confirmed to Fredbzar and Truckser, so tagging as proven. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply
    PS:  No sleepers immediately visible -- RoySmith (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC) reply

09 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Typical lorry vandal behaviour as described here. Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 19:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Added another one - same behavior, stopping less than an hour before the Lutonmover account started editing. Interesting that a second account was created before the first was even detected. -- Sable232 ( talk) 23:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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@ Tamzin: Virtually every edit from the Special:Contribs/185.44.147.0/24 IP range since at least May 2021 has been a lorry vandal edit, and I suppose that blocking this range would cause almost no collateral damage. In addition to that, I have found two additional lorry vandal socks (I have added them above). Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 07:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Post Scriptum: I guess that installing a WP:EFR is a valid option, because like 60 per cent or so of the lorry vandal's edits contain the word "Bedford". -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 07:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Tamzin: I went through the /24 range's edits and I think I got everything. I believe semi-protection on Isuzu Fargo would also be in order - almost all edits since early 2021 have either been ZLT385 or reversions thereof. -- Sable232 ( talk) 14:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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17 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The user continues editing the same articles about soviet cars as previous puppets, eg. [19] C messier ( talk) 09:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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Passes the duck test. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 10:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply
Added 1 account with same behaviour, including user page. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 15:18, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply
+1, dito. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 17:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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21 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Obviously the lorry vandal with the typical editing behaviour. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 15:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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23 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Obviously the lorry vandal with the typical editing behaviour. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 10:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC) reply

15 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar topic area, including Opel Blitz (a long-time favorite target of this user); the edit to that article contains the use of Russian-language sources and the odd fixation with alleged Chevrolet styling cues on Opels/Vauxhalls/Bedfords that are characteristic of ZLT385. The userpage is oddly similar to that of Vanebbe, one of the more prolific past socks, with the strange collection of random classic car parts. This account is doing mostly additions of curb weight to articles (albeit in some cases for the wrong car) which is a new tack, but this all seems suspicious. Sable232 ( talk) 15:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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Btw who is this? I'am no sockpuppet but I don't really know how IPs can be shared from afar. I don't think that collecting classic car parts proves that I have any connection (which I don't) with this Vanebbe, many people do that. Now about the Opel Blitz article, I just edited it because at that time I was trying to find German vehicles to edit (mostly for weight addition) and stumbled upon it. The Opel Blitz does indeed share characteristics with the 1947-1955 AD family but most sources supporting that were not accepted by Wikipedia. I don't want to make a huge case on this but it is obvious that the sources I added do indeed prove my edits (I have also cited the specific part where they are mentioned) and even without it it is clear that the main cab of the 1952-1959 Opel Blitz is indeed similar to the Chevy counterpart. The Russian source that I added was the only site that had information about the COE model, so it is not any fixation. Had it been an Italian source, I would have added it. I would suggest checking my sources directly before having any major decisions. I can also provide a screenshot of my IP if that is the case, but I don't really know how can I post it here since Wikimedia Commons may not accept it. Anyway, I don't really know about this case but if further accusations are put forward, I will be here. In the end, many people like classic cars and having them all tagged as "ZLT sockpuppets" wouldn't be the most helpful. The sources I cited in most of my articles (including the Blitz) are reliable so please directly check them if you can (or even have the patience to do so). I also wouldn't all my edits including the curb weight ones to be reverted just because I'am wrongly accused. After all, Edmunds isn't a shay website, at least to my eyes.

I have not edited any Bedford articles but the fact that early 1950s Opel and Vauxhall cars are indeed similar (at least to some extent) is indeed true. So no, I have not any weird fixation on the Opel Blitz nor have I been vandalizing it with uncited claims. Finding little clues on anyone can make the thought that they are someone else's sockpuppet so all this just triggers ours minds more and is not really heplful. However, as I said before I can send you a pic of my IP to prove that I'am not Vanebbe. Oldgreensandman ( talk) 10:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Passes the duck test. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 05:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC) reply
What duck test does it passes? There are many people that love classic cars in the world, not only me. With the same mind you can tag every "oldtimer" as a Zerolandteam385 sockpuppet, it just doesn't add up. This behavior just makes Wikipedia look like an utopia (and not in the good sense of the word). Okay, I understand that Wikipedia should get rid off unsourced edits but mine's aren't unsourced. In the Blitz article I have perfectly cited my sources about my claims and they can freely be checked, but even without them you can clearly see the resemblance between the 1950s Blitz and the 1950s Chevy pickup, after all Opel was a GM division. I know that it may come off as "Original Research" but after a point it just looks like Wikipedia just dismisses common logic and goes on.
There are also many other car articles that don't source all of the OP's claims. For example, the Ford Taunus P6 states that "The Ford Taunus P6 inherited its wheelbase from the previous model but the new body was nevertheless longer and wider, though lower. This reflected the design trends evident throughout western Europe at the time." However, there is no source supporting this. Shouldn't this also be reversed?
Btw, I have also seen a tend in blocking users that really looks off, at least to me. Why does a blocked user's edits have to be reversed? If they are cited and true and expand the article they deserve to be kept, despite of their editor's fate. My best guess is that the moderators see that the person is blocked and just reverse the edits without ever bothering to check what's in them, automatically thinking they added bullshit.
And to the last point, I can prove that I'am not ZLT385. Because I have to do some work and can't be botered with this site's totalitarian "rules", I will post a screenshot of my IP so I can prove that I'am not them. Just because I have common logic and notice that the Blitz is similair to the Chevy does not prove anything, only a retard wouldn't be able to do so. Oldgreensandman ( talk) 11:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 ( talk) 12:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC) reply

11 June 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Same topic area and editing style - first edit was this which has all the hallmarks of this user. Sable232 ( talk) 14:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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Passes the duck test. Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 20:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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14 June 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Obviously the same editor. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 09:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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18 June 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

First edit was to one of this LTA's favorite targets, subsequent ones include the "indirect successor" gibberish that they are fond of ( [21], [22]). Sable232 ( talk) 13:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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18 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Raise your hand if you're tired of this one. Hardblock placed on range. All are blocked, but not tagged. Drmies ( talk) 21:20, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply

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I'm not quite sure whether these are the same, but it wouldn't surprise me because of the similar (but not identical) edit pattern. Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 23:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • I found Kungfumoi ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as well, making a single edit that lines up with this user's pattern.

    @ Liz: I don't think there's a link between the two. The editing patterns differ greatly, and Zerolandteam385's IP socks have all geolocated to Greece while DavidWittas' IP socks are from India. Indestrubleseeper could be related - it fits the new pattern of creating a new account for every edit.

    I went through and reverted the remainder of the edits. The Rushul account still needs a block. -- Sable232 ( talk) 23:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Well, Sable232, it seemed unusual for two separate sock groups to be editing car model articles on the same day but this is my first encounter with either sock farms so I trust your opinion. It just seemed very coincidental. Liz Read! Talk! 00:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply
User:Liz, I checked and blocked another DavidWittas block--see my note on that SPI, if you like. Sable232 was correct. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 14:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply

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03 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

I think these two may have escaped notice with last month's batch of socks. Both created in August to edit a single article like all the rest from that group. Having gone undetected, they're back to editing. The topic area matches up, including the obsession with Bedford and Isuzu. CheckUser is a matter of course for this sockmaster at this point. Sable232 ( talk) 15:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

@ RoySmith: Thanks. I reverted the socks above. It makes sense to not transcribe the rest of the socks here, but since I won't know what they are, can you revert their edits? -- Sable232 ( talk) 16:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply
They're in my block log -- RoySmith (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • These two are  Confirmed. There's a metric boatload of other unblocked single-use accounts that are obviously also Zeroland; I'll block the ones I see, but it's not worth the effort to transcribe them here. There's a range block already in place which may be of some help, and I've left some notes in cuwiki about what I think is a better strategy going forward. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

04 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Not excited to reopen this tiresome case yet again, but in rooting out the edits from the previous batch, I found more likely sockpuppets, most are same as all the recent ones. Agent30June and Gefahren Wagen are different - their edits were to duplicate existing sections and add a little bit of ZLT385-style content - and then one of the other socks would swoop in and remove the duplicate sections while leaving the content the sockmaster really wanted to add. Sable232 ( talk) 14:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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Added Johncorvettas, same edits, most obvios on recent GAZ-21 change. See also Greece-related edit on State car article. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 17:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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04 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Reopening this to add Pegyflicks and Sl890, found while reverting the others. -- Sable232 ( talk) 19:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Spicy - I'll make note of that for the future, thanks. -- Sable232 ( talk) 01:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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09 October 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Untenable automotive successors and falsified sources, as the sockmaster had done from the beginning ( [23], [24]). These two accounts also fit the recent pattern of creating a new account to edit a single article in the hope of avoiding detection. The two accounts edited related articles and just happened to both mention the same specific somewhat-obscure 1950s truck (Cameo Carrier), and both seem too-familiar with template syntax for new editors. CheckUser requested due to the likelihood of additional single-purpose sock accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 14:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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14 November 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

A single edit to Opel Blitz, one of the sockmaster's favorite targets. Seems all too familiar with template syntax and citation style for a new user. While I couldn't find past edits to this article that align particularly strongly with this one, this is very much within the sockmaster's MO. CheckUser requested because if there's one, there are almost certainly more given past trends. Sable232 ( talk) 23:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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11 July 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Identical topic area and editing patterns to the master and most socks. CheckUser requested due to the sockmaster's past use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 21:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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23 July 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Same topic area, same editing pattern. Sleeper account created shortly after a batch of socks was blocked last November, and resumed editing after the most recent batch of socks was found a little over a week ago. CheckUser requested because there's always sleepers with this sockmaster. Sable232 ( talk) 21:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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25 July 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Edits to the usual articles. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 13:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 13:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC) reply

29 July 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar edit pattern in el.wikipedia (here in en.wikipedia has only one edit), focusing in the soviet and old american and british trucks. C messier ( talk) 10:33, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • One user has no contributions at en.wiki. Another is not even registered at en.wiki. And the third had one edit at en.wiki last March. Closing with no action. Bbb23 ( talk) 13:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

24 October 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

The same fixation on Bedford vehicles that the sockmaster was known for. The user is from Greece, so the "Aegean" part of the second sock's username is another indicator. Sable232 ( talk) 21:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply

@ MarioGom: This edit by Aegeanbprowse is very similar to the most recent edit on that page by a previous sock. This LTA has repeatedly made this edit to Opel Blitz changing its successor to something other than an Opel, which PlymouthRunnerb has also done.
I would note that there is another newly-created account editing Opel Blitz - Wikipedianfixer ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). ZLT385 frequently has multiple sockpuppets concurrently as indicated on the SPI archive page, so I would like to reiterate my request for CheckUser. -- Sable232 ( talk) 15:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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  •  Additional information needed. In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:
  1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
  2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
  3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this. MarioGom ( talk) 20:13, 3 November 2023 (UTC) reply

12 November 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

This edit is nearly the same as one made to the same article by one of the previous socks. CheckUser requested because this LTA has been known to use sleeper accounts in the past, and activity seems to be increasing of late. Sable232 ( talk) 15:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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14 January 2024

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This edit is nearly the same as this edit from a previous sock. CheckUser requested on account of the sockmaster's frequent use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 16:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Burdyfruan is  Confirmed. There's a bunch of sleepers, but I don't have time to dig into that right now. If another CU wants to follow up on this, I left some notes in cuwik that should get you started. RoySmith (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Looks like Roy and I checked at the same time. The following accounts are  Confirmed to Burdyfruan:
  • These are  Likely:
Spicy ( talk) 19:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  •  Blocked and tagged. Closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 19:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC) reply

16 February 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Deleted a section from Chevrolet Advance Design, one of this LTA's favorite targets, mirroring an edit made by one of the previous socks. Other edits so far fit the usual pattern. CheckUser would probably be useful given the frequent use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 ( talk) 00:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • It's them, also
Spicy ( talk) 00:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC) reply

16 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

User's action at Opel Blitz reminded me of edits from previous socks like User:PlymouthRunnerb, especially the successor change to Bedford Blitz and related changes in text Denniss ( talk) 11:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  •  Highly likely plus:
Spicy ( talk) 01:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  •  Blocked and tagged, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 01:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

30 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

User does a lot of edits in articles that where previously attacked by socks from the same person, for example GAZ-MM and GAZ-13, and none on other topics. Also does a lot of edits in the Volga-car-range-topic, that was his last target in german Wikipedia as Rodonspace (see [25], Rodonspace is a confirmed sock and also blocked at de.WP), for example GAZ-3105 (which is not visible, because the history of the article was imported due to copyright issues during the translation process, but my german import request is here for comparisson). Very characteristic is also this edit, changing the car class from mid-size to executive and similar edits, like for example here before. Other edits so not out of the current pattern. CheckUser would be useful due to the frequent use of sock accounts. Thanks, sorry for my English. -- Druschba 4 ( talk) 18:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • That's them, plus

 Blocked and tagged, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 23:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

16 April 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

This edit mirrors one by a previous sock, as does this one to this one. CheckUser requested because when there's one, there's usually more. Sable232 ( talk) 02:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • It's them +
Spicy ( talk) 14:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  •  Blocked and tagged, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 14:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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