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 | This page in a nutshell: Unsubstantiated allegations of misconduct are not helpful. If you're challenged to provide evidence, put up or shut up. |
Occasionally in a heated dispute, someone may post on the administrators' noticeboards regarding the conduct of another editor but without providing any evidence (in the form of diffs) to back it up. This is not helpful: negative commentary directed at other editors is hurtful and creates drama at the best of times, and it is sadly all too easy to mischaracterise or outright lie about what another editor did. As such, one should always provide evidence when requested (or ideally to begin with) if one is making such allegations. Otherwise, editors should not expect their allegations to be taken seriously, and indeed may be considered to be acting vindictively.
The phrase " put up or shut up" is common enough in the English language to be considered idiomatic. Indeed, in the sense of "take action or be prevented from continuing to participate" it forms part of the code of the United Kingdom's Panel on Takeovers and Mergers. [1] One could coin a euphemism for it which avoids the moderately abrasive "shut up", but the euphemism treadmill suggests that in time said euphemism would be considered just as offensive. Rather than taking umbrage at the use of a common idiom, consider rectifying the problem that put you into that position (namely, that you made a negative comment about another editor's actions without backing it up with evidence).
- Wikipedia:Casting aspersions
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive135#Saying "Put up or shut up" is a blockable offense?
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive709#AFD, AGF, and other things
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive755#Unequal treatment from an admin
| This is an
essay. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been
thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints. |
| This page in a nutshell: Unsubstantiated allegations of misconduct are not helpful. If you're challenged to provide evidence, put up or shut up. |
Occasionally in a heated dispute, someone may post on the administrators' noticeboards regarding the conduct of another editor but without providing any evidence (in the form of diffs) to back it up. This is not helpful: negative commentary directed at other editors is hurtful and creates drama at the best of times, and it is sadly all too easy to mischaracterise or outright lie about what another editor did. As such, one should always provide evidence when requested (or ideally to begin with) if one is making such allegations. Otherwise, editors should not expect their allegations to be taken seriously, and indeed may be considered to be acting vindictively.
The phrase " put up or shut up" is common enough in the English language to be considered idiomatic. Indeed, in the sense of "take action or be prevented from continuing to participate" it forms part of the code of the United Kingdom's Panel on Takeovers and Mergers. [1] One could coin a euphemism for it which avoids the moderately abrasive "shut up", but the euphemism treadmill suggests that in time said euphemism would be considered just as offensive. Rather than taking umbrage at the use of a common idiom, consider rectifying the problem that put you into that position (namely, that you made a negative comment about another editor's actions without backing it up with evidence).
- Wikipedia:Casting aspersions
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive135#Saying "Put up or shut up" is a blockable offense?
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive709#AFD, AGF, and other things
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive755#Unequal treatment from an admin