This is a record of the arbitration case between User:Theresa knott and User:Mr-Natural-Health from February 2004.
Findings of fact:
Remedy:
Concurring arbitrators:
Opposed arbitrators:
Abstaining arbitrators:
Arbitrators yet to vote:
Public discussions by arbitrators will take place at Wikipedia:Matter of Theresa knott and Mr-Natural-Health/arbitrator discussion. All are welcome to view, but only arbitrators may edit. Additionally, there is some private arbitrator discussion.
Please add signed evidence and testimony to Wikipedia:Matter of Theresa knott and Mr-Natural-Health/evidence
I would like to clarify one point for anyone who may be confused. Arbitration, unlike mediation, does not have to be consensual. Thus, our right to arbitrate this case comes from its direct referral by Jimbo Wales: not from Theresa Knott, and not from Mr. Natural Health. Martin 18:32, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Furthermore, the scope of matters under consideration and possible remedies are not limited by the consent of the parties. We may ban users where neither party asked for a ban, and may consider issues not directly raised. We will take into account with significant weight both sides' opinions, but the consensual phase of conflict resolution is over by the time things get to the arbitration committee: once it's here, that indicates there is a major problem that needs to be resolved, so we try to find a solution to the problem, and impose it (acting, of course, in accordance with community opinion). -- Delirium 22:46, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
I am here on behalf of a number of different people because of the problems we have had in working with user:Mr-Natural-Health at alternative medicine . My original request for arbitration dated a week ago follows:
Mr Natural health has made numerous personal attacks to members of the wikicommunity. He refuses to work with people. He has admitted to trolling. He lists people on conflicts between users all the time even when they are not in conflict with him. He writes derogatory comments in page summaries. I would like the arbitration committee to force him to be polite, co-operative and inoffensive. theresa knott 11:53, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
In the meantime, there has been an attempt at mediation. Mediation never really got off the ground as Mr Natural Health appeared to have some kind of problem with the mediation process itself. Anyway mediation has failed to resolve the conflict, and Mr Natural health would not agree to mediation over his behaviour anyway.
I don't know how arbitration is going to work, or what if any sanctions you will impose. The ideal outcome for me would be for Mr Natural Health to see the error of his ways, and work with people instead of against them. It doesn't look to me, at this stage, as if he is willing to do that of his own accord. theresa knott 00:12, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
-- Mr-Natural-Health 06:54, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Clarification by Mr-Natural-Health
My arbitration response is made directly in response to a message sent to me (13 Feb 2004, 19:43. Martin 19:50, 6 Feb 2004) on my talk page with the header of Case of Theresa Knott and Mr. Natural Health. So, if this matter is not in reference to my previous demand for arbitration, then I have no idea what so ever of what I am responding to, since I do not have any problems with Theresa knott that are not currently being resolved by mediation. Ergo, I cannot respond to a secrete arbitration process that has in fact not been unequivocally explained to me. -- Mr-Natural-Health 19:10, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Links to evidence relevant to this matter raised by Mr-Natural-Health
Response to Statement by Theresa Knott by Mr-Natural-Health'
Contrary to comments made by Theresa, mediation has gotten off the ground and is currently under way. If mediation has failed to resolve the conflict it is due entirely to her lack of cooperation and lack of timely responses. She seems unwilling to cooperate or to even tell the truth. Plenty of complaints have made against her by others.
As far as I am concerned, Mediation is on and is active. And, I am patiently waiting for the mediation process to continue from emails from Jussi-Ville Heiskanen. -- Mr-Natural-Health 06:30, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To date, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen has not emailed or sent me a message saying that the mediation is off. It is extremely rude and offensive of Jussi-Ville Heiskanen to apparently call off mediation without notifying me. Jussi-Ville Heiskanen apparently wasted a lot of my time. I followed his ground rules to the letter. Theresa violated them the first opportunity she got by reversing an edit of mine without justification of any sort in Scientism. She lied about it in Mediation, as far as I am concerned. She lied in her above statement. And, she is now posting more lies in Talk:Alternative medicine. So, far the entire Wikipedia mediation / arbitration process has been a total joke. Meditation means that YOU guys have to do something for me. It does not mean that I have to agree to any of your nonsense. Theresa clearly thinks that I have to accept all of her nutty ideas in mediation. Disagreements are to be expected, Theresa, in mediation. That is why it is called mediation. -- Mr-Natural-Health 17:59, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This is a record of the arbitration case between User:Theresa knott and User:Mr-Natural-Health from February 2004.
Findings of fact:
Remedy:
Concurring arbitrators:
Opposed arbitrators:
Abstaining arbitrators:
Arbitrators yet to vote:
Public discussions by arbitrators will take place at Wikipedia:Matter of Theresa knott and Mr-Natural-Health/arbitrator discussion. All are welcome to view, but only arbitrators may edit. Additionally, there is some private arbitrator discussion.
Please add signed evidence and testimony to Wikipedia:Matter of Theresa knott and Mr-Natural-Health/evidence
I would like to clarify one point for anyone who may be confused. Arbitration, unlike mediation, does not have to be consensual. Thus, our right to arbitrate this case comes from its direct referral by Jimbo Wales: not from Theresa Knott, and not from Mr. Natural Health. Martin 18:32, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Furthermore, the scope of matters under consideration and possible remedies are not limited by the consent of the parties. We may ban users where neither party asked for a ban, and may consider issues not directly raised. We will take into account with significant weight both sides' opinions, but the consensual phase of conflict resolution is over by the time things get to the arbitration committee: once it's here, that indicates there is a major problem that needs to be resolved, so we try to find a solution to the problem, and impose it (acting, of course, in accordance with community opinion). -- Delirium 22:46, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
I am here on behalf of a number of different people because of the problems we have had in working with user:Mr-Natural-Health at alternative medicine . My original request for arbitration dated a week ago follows:
Mr Natural health has made numerous personal attacks to members of the wikicommunity. He refuses to work with people. He has admitted to trolling. He lists people on conflicts between users all the time even when they are not in conflict with him. He writes derogatory comments in page summaries. I would like the arbitration committee to force him to be polite, co-operative and inoffensive. theresa knott 11:53, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
In the meantime, there has been an attempt at mediation. Mediation never really got off the ground as Mr Natural Health appeared to have some kind of problem with the mediation process itself. Anyway mediation has failed to resolve the conflict, and Mr Natural health would not agree to mediation over his behaviour anyway.
I don't know how arbitration is going to work, or what if any sanctions you will impose. The ideal outcome for me would be for Mr Natural Health to see the error of his ways, and work with people instead of against them. It doesn't look to me, at this stage, as if he is willing to do that of his own accord. theresa knott 00:12, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
-- Mr-Natural-Health 06:54, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Clarification by Mr-Natural-Health
My arbitration response is made directly in response to a message sent to me (13 Feb 2004, 19:43. Martin 19:50, 6 Feb 2004) on my talk page with the header of Case of Theresa Knott and Mr. Natural Health. So, if this matter is not in reference to my previous demand for arbitration, then I have no idea what so ever of what I am responding to, since I do not have any problems with Theresa knott that are not currently being resolved by mediation. Ergo, I cannot respond to a secrete arbitration process that has in fact not been unequivocally explained to me. -- Mr-Natural-Health 19:10, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Links to evidence relevant to this matter raised by Mr-Natural-Health
Response to Statement by Theresa Knott by Mr-Natural-Health'
Contrary to comments made by Theresa, mediation has gotten off the ground and is currently under way. If mediation has failed to resolve the conflict it is due entirely to her lack of cooperation and lack of timely responses. She seems unwilling to cooperate or to even tell the truth. Plenty of complaints have made against her by others.
As far as I am concerned, Mediation is on and is active. And, I am patiently waiting for the mediation process to continue from emails from Jussi-Ville Heiskanen. -- Mr-Natural-Health 06:30, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To date, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen has not emailed or sent me a message saying that the mediation is off. It is extremely rude and offensive of Jussi-Ville Heiskanen to apparently call off mediation without notifying me. Jussi-Ville Heiskanen apparently wasted a lot of my time. I followed his ground rules to the letter. Theresa violated them the first opportunity she got by reversing an edit of mine without justification of any sort in Scientism. She lied about it in Mediation, as far as I am concerned. She lied in her above statement. And, she is now posting more lies in Talk:Alternative medicine. So, far the entire Wikipedia mediation / arbitration process has been a total joke. Meditation means that YOU guys have to do something for me. It does not mean that I have to agree to any of your nonsense. Theresa clearly thinks that I have to accept all of her nutty ideas in mediation. Disagreements are to be expected, Theresa, in mediation. That is why it is called mediation. -- Mr-Natural-Health 17:59, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)