- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was keep, with restrictions: this template is to be marked as humorous and not to be used to replace actual community approved warning templates or to warn actual vandals.--v/r - T P 14:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
User:KoshVorlon/uw-cluepon1
Joke warning, that is actually being used on vandal's talk pages. There is absolutely no need for this to exist. — GFOLEY FOUR!— 17:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep "No need" is not found, as far as I can tell, as a specific reason for deletion in userspace. Collect ( talk) 17:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep {Yes I'm the creator} It's a spoof of Isiah Mustafa's Old Spice Ads, and it's meant to be funny, not biting, nor incivil, and it's not used willy-nilly, It's left on vandals who have a page full of recent ' (1 to 2 months worth) vandalism.
@- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 18:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - it's bitey. Calling someone a troll is a biting activity, and handing it out (especially to IPs, which it seems to have been done exclusively) to new Users is a bitey thing to do. Calling it "funny" only demonstrates this; it's fun to call someone a troll, it is not funny being called a troll. We have the consensus-approved warning templates that go about doing what this template is meant to do, but in a productive way. Those should be used, as opposed to this User's idea of what is acceptable. Achowat ( talk) 15:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Strong delete. Breaks WP:CIVIL, big time. Also, it feeds the trolls, and is kind of trollish on its own. It needs to go. -- Dennis The Tiger ( Rawr and stuff) 18:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep, funny and probably makes a stronger impression on vandals than the standard template does.-- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you, Sarek, that's exactly the point of that template :) @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 20:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Humor is a delicate thing, and can easily go awry, but in addition to being funny (for reasons that have nothing to do with the word troll), this is being used, in my view, to try and take a somewhat light-hearted tack where repeated (as many as 10-15 attempts) at "standard operating procedure" have failed. I have little faith that there's much hope of constructive editing by most of the five or so editors who've received that template so far, but I actually think attempting a bit of humor for those editors, at that point, is more likely to create constructive change than the 16th repitition of a standard template. -- joe decker talk to me 00:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Users should not be creating their own warning templates, especially those that make use of a living person to issue those warnings. If this does wind up being kept, then the creator can just hang onto it for his own reasons; I'd want to see its actual use forbidden. Tarc ( talk) 16:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Remove all transclusions and delete - OK, so the word "troll" has been removed, but it's utterly incomprehensible unless you happen to know the adverts in question (which I don't - as far as I can tell, it's a US-based advert only). With that in mind, it's been used on a Brazilian IP - quite why, I don't know, and goodness knows what anyone using that IP address will make of it. As for the claim that it's only used where vandals have 1 to 2 months of recent vandalism, its use on 108.86.51.182 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (issued on the same day that edits began) shows otherwise. Humour and vandalism warnings aren't really a good combination. I really don't see any signs that it's an improvement on the usual warning template system. And per Tarc. If it's to be kept then (1) for pity's sake, subst it every time; (2) fix the problem that makes it look as though the warning was issued on the current date. Bencherlite Talk 17:11, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- *COMMENT Not really true, Bencherlite, there was already a parody of this same add made during the UK riots, with UK slang built in, so it's aired at least once in the UK (The adds are on Youtube as well, which is international). :) (Not arguing, just saying! @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 17:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - as a 'bit of a laugh' or however it's being justified, it's simply not funny. As a tool against vandals, it's confusing and inappropriate. Giant Snowman 17:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Too obscure to make much of an impression on a vandal. A light-hearted approach might be OK if the result was more plausible and likely to work. It could make a difference if KoshVorlon could cite any cases where vandalism stopped after giving this outlandish warning. Bencherlite has stated above that KV gave this warning to a Brazilian IP. That seems unlikely to have an effect. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comment Only if you want to apply that same criteria to the default templates. They'd fail that criteria too. @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 19:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. I actually think that humorous anti-vandal templates are a promising direction to go, in that they give the templated editor a bit more of a sense of "yes, we're real people here cleaning up after you. We get that you thought it was funny, and we have a sense of humor too, but enough already." However, this template isn't going to do that. For the vast majority of editors who receive this template - essentially, anyone not deeply immersed in internet meme culture - it will not only be incomprehensible and unfunny, but it will probably make us look like we're editing under the influence of some mighty powerful hallucinogens. Not exactly the impression we ought to be giving new editors. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 19:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete per Giant Snowman's sound analysis. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 19:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Totally useless, practically incomprehensible, contrary to the tone and intent of every other warning template we've got, this needs to be axed and removed. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 19:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a bit of humor in userspace, and I don't think that warrants deletion. However, there should be a caveat placed saying that it shouldn't be used on actual newbies' pages. Keilana| Parlez ici 22:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep and limit use. I actually found this pretty funny. I don't think it should be used in place of our bog standard templates, but it's a fine joke to have on one's userpage. Mark Arsten ( talk) 23:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Useless and insulting.-- Rockfang ( talk) 23:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete the potential for misuse is much too great. I agree we should try less formal templates, but not of the sort than can be misunderstood as overly aggressive. DGG ( talk ) 23:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. It's in userspace; disagreement with a way of using it is not a reason for deleting it. Nyttend ( talk) 02:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- However, it's being used to warn editors. Either it should be deleted, or there should be a proscription against its use. One can't simply say "it's in userspace" and walk away as if that solves the problem. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 03:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep and limit use, per Mark Arsten. Oh goodness, I can't stop laughing. Both at this template and at the people who seem to hate it so much. When this little WP:IDLIfest is over I want to put it on my userpage. Brilliant :) But I agree, probably not the best for use on real vandals (although I could see it being used for the more persistent ones, maybe it would get through to them, humor is a very powerful thing). Clay Clay Clay 07:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Userspace pseudo template brings levity and humor to the warning process. Obviously not used as an official warning in the escalating warning stack, but to help users who haven't gotten the clue via both a meme and via non-bureaucratic communication the humor in this advice. Obviously it only makes sense to give this warning to users and not IP Addresses Hasteur ( talk) 12:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was keep, with restrictions: this template is to be marked as humorous and not to be used to replace actual community approved warning templates or to warn actual vandals.--v/r - T P 14:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
User:KoshVorlon/uw-cluepon1
Joke warning, that is actually being used on vandal's talk pages. There is absolutely no need for this to exist. — GFOLEY FOUR!— 17:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep "No need" is not found, as far as I can tell, as a specific reason for deletion in userspace. Collect ( talk) 17:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep {Yes I'm the creator} It's a spoof of Isiah Mustafa's Old Spice Ads, and it's meant to be funny, not biting, nor incivil, and it's not used willy-nilly, It's left on vandals who have a page full of recent ' (1 to 2 months worth) vandalism.
@- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 18:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - it's bitey. Calling someone a troll is a biting activity, and handing it out (especially to IPs, which it seems to have been done exclusively) to new Users is a bitey thing to do. Calling it "funny" only demonstrates this; it's fun to call someone a troll, it is not funny being called a troll. We have the consensus-approved warning templates that go about doing what this template is meant to do, but in a productive way. Those should be used, as opposed to this User's idea of what is acceptable. Achowat ( talk) 15:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Strong delete. Breaks WP:CIVIL, big time. Also, it feeds the trolls, and is kind of trollish on its own. It needs to go. -- Dennis The Tiger ( Rawr and stuff) 18:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep, funny and probably makes a stronger impression on vandals than the standard template does.-- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you, Sarek, that's exactly the point of that template :) @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 20:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Humor is a delicate thing, and can easily go awry, but in addition to being funny (for reasons that have nothing to do with the word troll), this is being used, in my view, to try and take a somewhat light-hearted tack where repeated (as many as 10-15 attempts) at "standard operating procedure" have failed. I have little faith that there's much hope of constructive editing by most of the five or so editors who've received that template so far, but I actually think attempting a bit of humor for those editors, at that point, is more likely to create constructive change than the 16th repitition of a standard template. -- joe decker talk to me 00:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Users should not be creating their own warning templates, especially those that make use of a living person to issue those warnings. If this does wind up being kept, then the creator can just hang onto it for his own reasons; I'd want to see its actual use forbidden. Tarc ( talk) 16:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Remove all transclusions and delete - OK, so the word "troll" has been removed, but it's utterly incomprehensible unless you happen to know the adverts in question (which I don't - as far as I can tell, it's a US-based advert only). With that in mind, it's been used on a Brazilian IP - quite why, I don't know, and goodness knows what anyone using that IP address will make of it. As for the claim that it's only used where vandals have 1 to 2 months of recent vandalism, its use on 108.86.51.182 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (issued on the same day that edits began) shows otherwise. Humour and vandalism warnings aren't really a good combination. I really don't see any signs that it's an improvement on the usual warning template system. And per Tarc. If it's to be kept then (1) for pity's sake, subst it every time; (2) fix the problem that makes it look as though the warning was issued on the current date. Bencherlite Talk 17:11, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- *COMMENT Not really true, Bencherlite, there was already a parody of this same add made during the UK riots, with UK slang built in, so it's aired at least once in the UK (The adds are on Youtube as well, which is international). :) (Not arguing, just saying! @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 17:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - as a 'bit of a laugh' or however it's being justified, it's simply not funny. As a tool against vandals, it's confusing and inappropriate. Giant Snowman 17:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Too obscure to make much of an impression on a vandal. A light-hearted approach might be OK if the result was more plausible and likely to work. It could make a difference if KoshVorlon could cite any cases where vandalism stopped after giving this outlandish warning. Bencherlite has stated above that KV gave this warning to a Brazilian IP. That seems unlikely to have an effect. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Comment Only if you want to apply that same criteria to the default templates. They'd fail that criteria too. @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 19:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. I actually think that humorous anti-vandal templates are a promising direction to go, in that they give the templated editor a bit more of a sense of "yes, we're real people here cleaning up after you. We get that you thought it was funny, and we have a sense of humor too, but enough already." However, this template isn't going to do that. For the vast majority of editors who receive this template - essentially, anyone not deeply immersed in internet meme culture - it will not only be incomprehensible and unfunny, but it will probably make us look like we're editing under the influence of some mighty powerful hallucinogens. Not exactly the impression we ought to be giving new editors. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 19:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete per Giant Snowman's sound analysis. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 19:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Totally useless, practically incomprehensible, contrary to the tone and intent of every other warning template we've got, this needs to be axed and removed. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 19:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a bit of humor in userspace, and I don't think that warrants deletion. However, there should be a caveat placed saying that it shouldn't be used on actual newbies' pages. Keilana| Parlez ici 22:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep and limit use. I actually found this pretty funny. I don't think it should be used in place of our bog standard templates, but it's a fine joke to have on one's userpage. Mark Arsten ( talk) 23:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Useless and insulting.-- Rockfang ( talk) 23:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete the potential for misuse is much too great. I agree we should try less formal templates, but not of the sort than can be misunderstood as overly aggressive. DGG ( talk ) 23:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. It's in userspace; disagreement with a way of using it is not a reason for deleting it. Nyttend ( talk) 02:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- However, it's being used to warn editors. Either it should be deleted, or there should be a proscription against its use. One can't simply say "it's in userspace" and walk away as if that solves the problem. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 03:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep and limit use, per Mark Arsten. Oh goodness, I can't stop laughing. Both at this template and at the people who seem to hate it so much. When this little WP:IDLIfest is over I want to put it on my userpage. Brilliant :) But I agree, probably not the best for use on real vandals (although I could see it being used for the more persistent ones, maybe it would get through to them, humor is a very powerful thing). Clay Clay Clay 07:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Userspace pseudo template brings levity and humor to the warning process. Obviously not used as an official warning in the escalating warning stack, but to help users who haven't gotten the clue via both a meme and via non-bureaucratic communication the humor in this advice. Obviously it only makes sense to give this warning to users and not IP Addresses Hasteur ( talk) 12:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)