October 20
File:Leung performing at Newman Recital Hall.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Leung performing at Newman Recital Hall.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Blueskies3000 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Low resolution and lack of metadata suggest this is not "own work" as claimed. Appears to be a screen grab from either this or this video. Ixfd64 ( talk) 02:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:Solzhenitsyn.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Solzhenitsyn.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Scottperry ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
No evidence of acceptable license at source. The website does include a GNU license, but the image was likely used on this website without proper permission. Please also see a Commons deletion request for the same file. Johnj1995 ( talk) 18:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:WYSIO.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:WYSIO.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Sweetiepetie ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
I would have PRODded this, but I wonder whether the image is eligible for copyright in the US. This cover art contains just red stars, plain typeface used for the artist's name and the song title, and blue background. It may or may not be sufficient enough for UK copyright per c:COM:TOO UK; UK's originality standards are very low. George Ho ( talk) 18:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD1. My rule of thumb is that if an additional image for one version of a song can be described in words, don't add it. This has just been proven, so the digital artwork should probably be removed regardless of copyright concerns. For the CDs, either could be used, but since CD2 is a bit more wordy than CD1, I'd have to go with the latter. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:RothkoBlackGray.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Generally speaking (barring exceptional cases of course), {{
PD-simple}} et al are generally not appropriate for works of art. -
FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:RothkoBlackGray.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cmyk ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
This image is in my opinion too simple to be eligible for copyright, and should probably be replaced with the {{ PD-ineligible}} template. Realmaxxver ( talk) 18:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Or the {{ PD-simple}} tag. Realmaxxver ( talk) 19:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Most of Rothko's (late) work is equally as "simple" as this one. If you were correct, none of his work would be eligible for copyright protection. I doubt that {{ PD-simple}} was intended to apply to works of art. Vexations ( talk) 13:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Threshold of originality says that in the US, copyright protection can be granted to works of authorship that possess at least some minimal degree of creativity. Also, the original source from the
Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum states "© 1998 Kate Rothko Prizel & Christopher Rothko / Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York".
Johnj1995 (
talk) 14:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: Just because there is a copyright notice
doesn't mean something is actually copyrighted.
Ixfd64 (
talk) 17:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- You're not suggesting that the Rothko estate is making a false copyright claim though, are you? Just that sometimes other people do so? The article Rothko case has some background info on the estate, and might help to convince folks that Kate Rothko does indeed hold the copyright. Vexations ( talk) 17:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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- The US Copyright office provides this guidance on registering copyrights for visual art works. Reviewing the examples doesn't resolve issue of copyrightability for me. In explaining to me why the National Gallery of Canada's acquisition of Voice of Fire was not a boondoggle, an artist friend once explained that the stripes, shapes, and any other elements in works also have brush technique adding visual texture to the work. I'm not sure how the US copyright office would view that argument. There is visual texture apparent in the painting. This looks like one of those things that sit at the borderline. I would err on the side of caution and keep this image licensed as non-free. -- Whpq ( talk) 01:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
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Ultraviolet/The Ballad of Paul K
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The result of the discussion was: Keep File:Ultraviolet (McFly single) coverart.jpg - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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- File:Ultraviolet (McFly single) coverart.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Telescope ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Bopk3.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Hipj1984 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Bopk1.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lollymd ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Bopk2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lollymd ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
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"The Ballad of Paul K" cover turns out to be part of promotional release and shouldn't be used ( discogs, ebay). All other covers may be okay to use, but using more than one may violate WP:NFCC#3a, and any one of them may also fail WP:NFCC#8. The drawing/animation cover was used for the DVD release ( discogs, ebay). However, either CD or digital release is more preferred, so I think DVD one should go. If I see no preferences from anyone else so far, I think the very top image, i.e. CD1 single ( ebay), should be the only one to use by default. George Ho ( talk) 19:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD1. This is an article for a single—a musical composition released commercially—so the promo "Ballad" artwork and DVD artwork should definitely go. As for the CDs, I'd usually go for the artwork used most frequently internationally, but since it wasn't released outside the British Isles, this turns into more of a numbers game. Seeing as neither artwork has achieved a solid sense of identity in the UK, we could go without one or the other, but one comes before two, so CD2 so be removed. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Extra covers of Fill My Little World
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The result of the discussion was: Delete. CD version was not part of this nomination. - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Fillmylittleworld-Original.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Spin Boy 11 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:TheFeeling-FillMyLittleWorld7Inch.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Spin Boy 11 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
If using more than one cover violates WP:NFCC#3a, then let's delete extra (vinyl) covers of Fill My Little World I'm nominating here. Preferably, the cover displaying two scoops of ice cream melting on a cone, which I'm not nominating, should be the only one used. George Ho ( talk) 19:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD. Being a fan of food, I personally find the re-release covers more enticing. However, the original artwork (i.e. the red-and-white 7-inch) is what I generally prefer using in articles, but since the re-release was more success and there are no other infoboxes in the article, it might be wiser to use the most widely known artwork. I've seen more uses of the ice cream art than the cupcake art, so let's keep the former. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Questions and Answers (Biffy Clyro song)
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The result of the discussion was: Keep File:Questions and answers CD1.gif - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Questions and answers CD1.gif ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thom ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Questions and answers CD2.gif ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thom ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
If using more than one cover violates WP:NFCC#3a, then let's keep either one. By default, the animated/drawing cover of a red-haired woman should be preferred, but you decide. George Ho ( talk) 19:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD1. In 2003, the 7-inch single was much less popular than the CD, so that image should be deleted. As for the CD images, if one of them is deleted, it can easily be recreated with words. The numbers bias comes into play here, with one coming before two, so CD1 should be the main identifier. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Extra covers of Radio:Active
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The result of the discussion was: Delete - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Mcflyradioactivemoscover.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Pantsdd ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Radioactive japan 2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by ParmyxD ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Using more than one cover art containing "equivalent significant information" may be against WP:NFCC#3a, despite different appearances. Preferably, the one I'm not nominating here should be the only one used in the article. The extra covers that I'm nominating, including the Japanese one, should be deleted. George Ho ( talk) 19:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:Gin Blossoms - Found Out About You.ogg
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The result of the discussion was: Keep in Found Out About You, remove from rest - FASTILY 04:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- File:Gin Blossoms - Found Out About You.ogg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Esprit15d ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Currently used at
Doug Hopkins,
Found Out About You, and
Gin Blossoms. The sample was de-PRODded, citing one critic's quote, haunting, almost psychedelic quality to the interweaving guitar lines
, as sufficient enough to keep the sample. Hmm... I wonder. I still don't think the sample meets
WP:NFCC#8 when used at the singer article and the band article. Unsure whether the sample complies with the criterion when used at the song article, even with the quote.
George Ho (
talk) 20:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC); edited, 20:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There is enough critical commentary in the song article to pass WP:NFCC#8. Aspects ( talk) 23:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per my de-PROD commentary as summarized above.-- Carwil ( talk) 14:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:McAitanaBillboard.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:McAitanaBillboard.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Serggg.02 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Aitana's partenering with MsDonalds is already adequately conveyed with text. The understanding of this is not detracted with the removal of this image. Fails WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8. Whpq ( talk) 21:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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October 20
File:Leung performing at Newman Recital Hall.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Leung performing at Newman Recital Hall.png ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Blueskies3000 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Low resolution and lack of metadata suggest this is not "own work" as claimed. Appears to be a screen grab from either this or this video. Ixfd64 ( talk) 02:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:Solzhenitsyn.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Solzhenitsyn.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Scottperry ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
No evidence of acceptable license at source. The website does include a GNU license, but the image was likely used on this website without proper permission. Please also see a Commons deletion request for the same file. Johnj1995 ( talk) 18:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:WYSIO.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:WYSIO.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Sweetiepetie ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
I would have PRODded this, but I wonder whether the image is eligible for copyright in the US. This cover art contains just red stars, plain typeface used for the artist's name and the song title, and blue background. It may or may not be sufficient enough for UK copyright per c:COM:TOO UK; UK's originality standards are very low. George Ho ( talk) 18:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD1. My rule of thumb is that if an additional image for one version of a song can be described in words, don't add it. This has just been proven, so the digital artwork should probably be removed regardless of copyright concerns. For the CDs, either could be used, but since CD2 is a bit more wordy than CD1, I'd have to go with the latter. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:RothkoBlackGray.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Generally speaking (barring exceptional cases of course), {{
PD-simple}} et al are generally not appropriate for works of art. -
FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:RothkoBlackGray.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cmyk ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
This image is in my opinion too simple to be eligible for copyright, and should probably be replaced with the {{ PD-ineligible}} template. Realmaxxver ( talk) 18:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Or the {{ PD-simple}} tag. Realmaxxver ( talk) 19:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Most of Rothko's (late) work is equally as "simple" as this one. If you were correct, none of his work would be eligible for copyright protection. I doubt that {{ PD-simple}} was intended to apply to works of art. Vexations ( talk) 13:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
-
Threshold of originality says that in the US, copyright protection can be granted to works of authorship that possess at least some minimal degree of creativity. Also, the original source from the
Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum states "© 1998 Kate Rothko Prizel & Christopher Rothko / Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York".
Johnj1995 (
talk) 14:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: Just because there is a copyright notice
doesn't mean something is actually copyrighted.
Ixfd64 (
talk) 17:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- You're not suggesting that the Rothko estate is making a false copyright claim though, are you? Just that sometimes other people do so? The article Rothko case has some background info on the estate, and might help to convince folks that Kate Rothko does indeed hold the copyright. Vexations ( talk) 17:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
-
- The US Copyright office provides this guidance on registering copyrights for visual art works. Reviewing the examples doesn't resolve issue of copyrightability for me. In explaining to me why the National Gallery of Canada's acquisition of Voice of Fire was not a boondoggle, an artist friend once explained that the stripes, shapes, and any other elements in works also have brush technique adding visual texture to the work. I'm not sure how the US copyright office would view that argument. There is visual texture apparent in the painting. This looks like one of those things that sit at the borderline. I would err on the side of caution and keep this image licensed as non-free. -- Whpq ( talk) 01:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
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Ultraviolet/The Ballad of Paul K
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The result of the discussion was: Keep File:Ultraviolet (McFly single) coverart.jpg - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Ultraviolet (McFly single) coverart.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Telescope ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Bopk3.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Hipj1984 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Bopk1.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lollymd ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Bopk2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lollymd ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
"The Ballad of Paul K" cover turns out to be part of promotional release and shouldn't be used ( discogs, ebay). All other covers may be okay to use, but using more than one may violate WP:NFCC#3a, and any one of them may also fail WP:NFCC#8. The drawing/animation cover was used for the DVD release ( discogs, ebay). However, either CD or digital release is more preferred, so I think DVD one should go. If I see no preferences from anyone else so far, I think the very top image, i.e. CD1 single ( ebay), should be the only one to use by default. George Ho ( talk) 19:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD1. This is an article for a single—a musical composition released commercially—so the promo "Ballad" artwork and DVD artwork should definitely go. As for the CDs, I'd usually go for the artwork used most frequently internationally, but since it wasn't released outside the British Isles, this turns into more of a numbers game. Seeing as neither artwork has achieved a solid sense of identity in the UK, we could go without one or the other, but one comes before two, so CD2 so be removed. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Extra covers of Fill My Little World
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The result of the discussion was: Delete. CD version was not part of this nomination. - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Fillmylittleworld-Original.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Spin Boy 11 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:TheFeeling-FillMyLittleWorld7Inch.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Spin Boy 11 ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
If using more than one cover violates WP:NFCC#3a, then let's delete extra (vinyl) covers of Fill My Little World I'm nominating here. Preferably, the cover displaying two scoops of ice cream melting on a cone, which I'm not nominating, should be the only one used. George Ho ( talk) 19:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD. Being a fan of food, I personally find the re-release covers more enticing. However, the original artwork (i.e. the red-and-white 7-inch) is what I generally prefer using in articles, but since the re-release was more success and there are no other infoboxes in the article, it might be wiser to use the most widely known artwork. I've seen more uses of the ice cream art than the cupcake art, so let's keep the former. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Questions and Answers (Biffy Clyro song)
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The result of the discussion was: Keep File:Questions and answers CD1.gif - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Questions and answers CD1.gif ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thom ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Questions and answers CD2.gif ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thom ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
If using more than one cover violates WP:NFCC#3a, then let's keep either one. By default, the animated/drawing cover of a red-haired woman should be preferred, but you decide. George Ho ( talk) 19:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep CD1. In 2003, the 7-inch single was much less popular than the CD, so that image should be deleted. As for the CD images, if one of them is deleted, it can easily be recreated with words. The numbers bias comes into play here, with one coming before two, so CD1 should be the main identifier. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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Extra covers of Radio:Active
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The result of the discussion was: Delete - FASTILY 02:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- File:Mcflyradioactivemoscover.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Pantsdd ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:Radioactive japan 2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by ParmyxD ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Using more than one cover art containing "equivalent significant information" may be against WP:NFCC#3a, despite different appearances. Preferably, the one I'm not nominating here should be the only one used in the article. The extra covers that I'm nominating, including the Japanese one, should be deleted. George Ho ( talk) 19:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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File:Gin Blossoms - Found Out About You.ogg
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The result of the discussion was: Keep in Found Out About You, remove from rest - FASTILY 04:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- File:Gin Blossoms - Found Out About You.ogg ( delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Esprit15d ( notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Currently used at
Doug Hopkins,
Found Out About You, and
Gin Blossoms. The sample was de-PRODded, citing one critic's quote, haunting, almost psychedelic quality to the interweaving guitar lines
, as sufficient enough to keep the sample. Hmm... I wonder. I still don't think the sample meets
WP:NFCC#8 when used at the singer article and the band article. Unsure whether the sample complies with the criterion when used at the song article, even with the quote.
George Ho (
talk) 20:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC); edited, 20:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There is enough critical commentary in the song article to pass WP:NFCC#8. Aspects ( talk) 23:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per my de-PROD commentary as summarized above.-- Carwil ( talk) 14:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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Aitana's partenering with MsDonalds is already adequately conveyed with text. The understanding of this is not detracted with the removal of this image. Fails WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8. Whpq ( talk) 21:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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