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The author of the original photograph (and their year of death) is not indicated.
Leyo 13:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete - Own work claim is invalid, we don't know the author, publishing date, or date of death. Wouldn't pass NFCC #8 (context) if converted to non-free. Delete.
Hog FarmBacon 01:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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According to the
statement, the image can use "for non-commercial and non-political purposes only." Therefore, it's not an acceptable license. This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 17:20, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Non-commercial license makes the image unusable, and I can see a reasonable case of a free equivalent being found/created, so NFCC would not be met if converted to non-free.
Hog FarmBacon 20:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - Wikipedia is not a commercial or political website, its contents cannot be redistributed with any commercial or political purposes. The original author and the website have both released their work for free use.
2001:8003:9008:1301:C5E1:85C7:734C:A156 (
talk) 06:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The acceptable license of Wikipedia must allow the commercial use and do not has any restrictions. This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 07:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep, per the IP user.
Kenwick (
talk) 05:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, no evidence provided for public domain claim, and the original site's conditions violate
F3.
Wikiacc (
¶) 02:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: keep.
Stifle (
talk) 13:04, 16 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep – this image satisfies
WP:NFCC#1 since there are no free alternatives that depict what is in this picture, and there will not be any more opportunities for free images to be created since the spacecraft launched last week. As the nom mentions, there are related free images available on Commons, some of which are currently being used on the
Tianwen-1 article, however none of them show the actual spacecraft. There are
images of a mockup of the rover that China showed off at a conference, which is a great free alternative to an image of the real rover, but this is a complicated mission and the rover is just one small component. There is also a lander and orbiter that are much bigger, and I worry that showing only an image of the rover in the article could mislead readers into thinking that the rover is the complete mission if they do not read the article carefully. The nominated image is the only image that has been released of the complete spacecraft, showing all the components of the mission. I think this image clearly satisfies
WP:NFCC#8 as its "presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". This image makes it much easier for a reader to quickly understand the size and scope of the mission and see what the spacecraft actually looks like. A free alternative that shows what is in that image does not exist, and, since the spacecraft is now in space on its way to Mars, taking new images is impossible. --
Yarnalgotalk 17:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - I uploaded the original image under discussion in late 2019; the image has since been lowered in resolution and cropped to better comply with the minimal-usage requirement
WP:NFCC#3. At the time of the original up-load, the referenced photograph was apparently the first photographic image released by the
CNSA of the entire
Tiamwen-1 spacecraft in its cruise configuration. Since the time of the original upload, I have seen other photos and artistic depictions of the entire spacecraft; however, such subsequent works apparently also belong to either
CNSA and/or news organizations/individual artists (that is, they also are non-free.) Also, I have not seen a Creative-Commons-licensed depiction of the entire spacecraft so far. For these reasons, I think the referenced image continues to satisfy
WP:NFCC#1 at this time. There are currently two other images on the
Tianwen-1 Wiki page; but they do not depict the spacecraft as a whole in its cruise configuration (the two images consist a user photo of the Tianwen-1 rover's down-scaled mockup and another CC-licensed photo of the Long March 5 rocket that launched the spacecraft [but not the spacecraft itself.]) Unlike the United States'
Mars 2020 spacecraft which consists mainly of the Perseverance rover itself, China's Tianwen-1 spacecraft, in its cruise configuration, consists of an orbiter attached to thermal atmospheric-entry shield that encloses the lander and the attached rover; the referenced photo significantly aids readers in understanding the scale and configuration of Tianwen-1 spacecraft (which although descriptively similar to US' old Viking Mars spacecrafts, differ significantly from them in appearance.) For all these reasons, I second
User:Yarnalgo's opinion above.
Spotty's Friend (
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The author of the original photograph (and their year of death) is not indicated.
Leyo 13:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete - Own work claim is invalid, we don't know the author, publishing date, or date of death. Wouldn't pass NFCC #8 (context) if converted to non-free. Delete.
Hog FarmBacon 01:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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According to the
statement, the image can use "for non-commercial and non-political purposes only." Therefore, it's not an acceptable license. This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 17:20, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Non-commercial license makes the image unusable, and I can see a reasonable case of a free equivalent being found/created, so NFCC would not be met if converted to non-free.
Hog FarmBacon 20:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - Wikipedia is not a commercial or political website, its contents cannot be redistributed with any commercial or political purposes. The original author and the website have both released their work for free use.
2001:8003:9008:1301:C5E1:85C7:734C:A156 (
talk) 06:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The acceptable license of Wikipedia must allow the commercial use and do not has any restrictions. This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 07:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep, per the IP user.
Kenwick (
talk) 05:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, no evidence provided for public domain claim, and the original site's conditions violate
F3.
Wikiacc (
¶) 02:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: keep.
Stifle (
talk) 13:04, 16 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep – this image satisfies
WP:NFCC#1 since there are no free alternatives that depict what is in this picture, and there will not be any more opportunities for free images to be created since the spacecraft launched last week. As the nom mentions, there are related free images available on Commons, some of which are currently being used on the
Tianwen-1 article, however none of them show the actual spacecraft. There are
images of a mockup of the rover that China showed off at a conference, which is a great free alternative to an image of the real rover, but this is a complicated mission and the rover is just one small component. There is also a lander and orbiter that are much bigger, and I worry that showing only an image of the rover in the article could mislead readers into thinking that the rover is the complete mission if they do not read the article carefully. The nominated image is the only image that has been released of the complete spacecraft, showing all the components of the mission. I think this image clearly satisfies
WP:NFCC#8 as its "presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". This image makes it much easier for a reader to quickly understand the size and scope of the mission and see what the spacecraft actually looks like. A free alternative that shows what is in that image does not exist, and, since the spacecraft is now in space on its way to Mars, taking new images is impossible. --
Yarnalgotalk 17:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - I uploaded the original image under discussion in late 2019; the image has since been lowered in resolution and cropped to better comply with the minimal-usage requirement
WP:NFCC#3. At the time of the original up-load, the referenced photograph was apparently the first photographic image released by the
CNSA of the entire
Tiamwen-1 spacecraft in its cruise configuration. Since the time of the original upload, I have seen other photos and artistic depictions of the entire spacecraft; however, such subsequent works apparently also belong to either
CNSA and/or news organizations/individual artists (that is, they also are non-free.) Also, I have not seen a Creative-Commons-licensed depiction of the entire spacecraft so far. For these reasons, I think the referenced image continues to satisfy
WP:NFCC#1 at this time. There are currently two other images on the
Tianwen-1 Wiki page; but they do not depict the spacecraft as a whole in its cruise configuration (the two images consist a user photo of the Tianwen-1 rover's down-scaled mockup and another CC-licensed photo of the Long March 5 rocket that launched the spacecraft [but not the spacecraft itself.]) Unlike the United States'
Mars 2020 spacecraft which consists mainly of the Perseverance rover itself, China's Tianwen-1 spacecraft, in its cruise configuration, consists of an orbiter attached to thermal atmospheric-entry shield that encloses the lander and the attached rover; the referenced photo significantly aids readers in understanding the scale and configuration of Tianwen-1 spacecraft (which although descriptively similar to US' old Viking Mars spacecrafts, differ significantly from them in appearance.) For all these reasons, I second
User:Yarnalgo's opinion above.
Spotty's Friend (
talk) 01:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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