- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot ( talk) 20 October 2023 [1].
Raffles Place MRT station
After City Hall MRT station got promoted to FA, I shall also take this chance to nominate its brother station Raffles Place. All aboard! ZKang123 ( talk) 06:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
GWL
Congrats on CH's FA! Am reserving a spot here, will get through tomorrow. Gerald WL 10:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
And incoming comments! I've put invisible comments to divide my comments based on sections. Gerald WL 09:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
| Resolved comments from Gerald WL 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC) |
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* "the centre of Singapore's financial district"--
Central Area, Singapore?
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- Support -- good work once again, and goodluck for Chonk's comments and other comments henceforth! Gerald WL 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
MyCatIsAChonk
Will review, but don't want to reiterate GWL's points- let me know when you've addressed theirs and I'll continue with mine MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) ( not me) ( also not me) ( still no) 22:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- City Hall station is linked twice in the lead
- While the boulders were hard, they were easily broken. - IMO, not necessary to include
- Ground treatment of the soil began on 28 May 1984 and completed by April the following year - "was" completed the following year...
- These murals on vitreous enamel panels depicts scenes of Singapore's history - might be reading this wrong, but I don't think depicts should be plural
- The "Information portfolio" source in the Bibliography has no sfns pointing to it
ZKang123, that's it, nice job! MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) ( not me) ( also not me) ( still no) 11:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - lovely work! Also, if you get time, I'd appreciate any comments at this FAC. Thanks! MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) ( not me) ( also not me) ( still no) 19:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Thebiguglyalien
I'll have a review written within the next few days. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 21:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
General notes:
- The prose is choppy in some parts of the article. Look for areas where the prose reads like: "This is a statement. This is another statement. The next statement is this one." These areas need to flow a little better before it meets FA's prose requirement in my opinion. Careful use of transitions and compound or complex sentences do a lot to improve readability.
- "Due to" is used a lot. I suggest changing some of these to "because". It's simpler and clearer, and it avoids repetition of the same phrase.
- The article mostly cuts off with the station's opening in 1987. Have there been no major changes of any sort since then?
- There aren't many notable incidents after the station's opening. I'm unsure if a recent anti-terror operation exercise is relevant of mention.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Try to replace, wikilink, or define technical terms when possible.
Lead:
- The article doesn't say that Raffles Place is "the centre of Singapore's financial district"
History:
- "part of the Phase I MRT segment" – The article doesn't say what this means
- Basically " from the Novena to Outram Park stations". This is the segment.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- "From 28 October 1989, it began to serve as the interchange" – Either it began to serve on that date, or it has served from that date. It's not still beginning.
- "with the split of MRT operations" – Not sure what this means
Station construction:
- What happened with the utilities? The article sets up the problem, that the records were inaccurate, but it doesn't suggest a solution was ever found.
- They were all diverted eventually. p112 of source.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- "The soil conditions at the site consisted of silty clay" – Either the soil was silty clay, or the soil conditions were an adjective.
- "supplemented by using a "down-the-hole" (DTH) percussion machine" – Noun/verb consistency: either the augers were supplemented by a DTH machine, or the penetration was supplemented by using a DTH machine.
- "the machine becomes bogged in wet weather due to the machine's" – Two "machine"s. One should be "it".
- "had to be broken apart, through" – Unnecessary comma
Construction of tunnels:
- "for the base slab concrete" – Is there a missing word here, or is this a technical term?
- "the work was planned to proceed in three stages" – I suggest "originally planned" or "initially planned" so the reader knows that this wasn't the final result.
Station details:
- Do the images here need to be 300px? This section doesn't seem quite long enough to warrant two images this large. Alternatively, given how similar these images are, it might be better just to keep one of them.
- Well, @ Gerald Waldo Luis: or someone suggested to upscale the images. I kept the two images to show the different platform levels. I have downsized the images, nevertheless-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- The station code and the walking distance appear to be added randomly in a paragraph about the routes.
- Don't use pronouns like "it" when starting a new paragraph, as there's no noun for it to refer to. The first time the station is mentioned in a paragraph, refer to it as "Raffles Place" or "the station".
- "A few days before the opening" – Of Raffles Place or of Tanah Merah? Tarah Merah is the last station that was mentioned.
- Clarified it's the MRT extension.
- "have to alight" – Not sure what this means
- "Another brass sculpture" – This is the only brass sculpture mentioned in the article
- "from the Chinese junks" – Can this by clarified or wikilinked?
Ping me if you feel that you've addressed all of the comments or if you have any thoughts about any of them. Once the article is ready, I can go over the prose again. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 17:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- @
Thebiguglyalien: addressed said points.--
ZKang123 (
talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've looked over the article and my concerns have been addressed. I support promotion as a featured article. And if you or anyone else is interested, I currently have an open FAC that could use more feedback. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 21:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Source review – pass
- Citation 2 needs a link to Singapore Monitor
- Citation 7 needs a link to the publisher
- Why was the publisher omitted from citation 38?
- Citations 38, 39, 46 and 47 need access-dates to be consistent with other NewspaperSG citations.
- Citation 45 is missing the via parameter.
- One of the bibliography sources needs a link to the publisher
- There is some inconsistency between sentence case and title case in newspaper citations, such as citations 22, 26 and 29 (which do not match their source's use of sentence case).
- As per source review comments by Gog, they suggested that all titles be in title case regardless of how they appeared in the original. I used this tool converter for title case.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Citations 36 and 37 need to use {{ cite map}}; I'm not sure they can be used to support the statement that those stations are within walking distance, as there is no distance specified.
Just a few notes for now. I will conduct further spotchecks in a bit. Sounder Bruce 19:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ SounderBruce: fixed the title cases as much as I could using the title case converter and cross-checking with MOS.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 06:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi
SounderBruce, how is this one looking now?
Gog the Mild (
talk) 18:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Spotchecks on a sample of eight citations were completed and look good. I do have one more concern: there are no citations given for the inflation/currency conversions. Once this is addressed, I'm happy to pass this on sourcing,
ZKang123.
Sounder
Bruce 19:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- The inflated values basically use the in-wiki template (example:{{Formatnum:{{To USD|{{Inflation|SG|70.7|1984}}|SGP|year=2019|r=0}}}}).--
ZKang123 (
talk) 22:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- There needs to be an inline citation to both the inflation converter (provided by {{ inflation-fn}}) and currency conversion. Sounder Bruce 00:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- The inflated values basically use the in-wiki template (example:{{Formatnum:{{To USD|{{Inflation|SG|70.7|1984}}|SGP|year=2019|r=0}}}}).--
ZKang123 (
talk) 22:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Spotchecks on a sample of eight citations were completed and look good. I do have one more concern: there are no citations given for the inflation/currency conversions. Once this is addressed, I'm happy to pass this on sourcing,
ZKang123.
Sounder
Bruce 19:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Rectified above problem.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 01:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Image review - pass
Not all images have alt text: would strongly suggest adding for accessibility.- Where alt text is used, it shouldn't generally begin with "Photograph of..." or similar, since the screen reader will preface it with "image of...".
- File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Platforms C and D 20211219 145315.jpg, File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Exit B 20211219 144834.jpg, File:NS25 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Platforms A and B (new signage) 20220708 132848.jpg and File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT brass sculpture 20220331 183410.jpg: all good (Wikipedia photographer, CC licence, Singapore has freedom of panorama).
- File:SGMRT-LRT (zoom) map.svg: fine, appropriately licensed, underlying OSM data is open. The Singapore government page doesn't seem to work, but any raw data would come under "bare facts" and so be ineligible for copyright.
_20220708_132848.jpg){kind=link}
_map.svg){kind=link}
No mission-critical issues here, though recommend consistency on alt text.
UndercoverClassicist
T·
C 06:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, which images doesn't have alt text? @
UndercoverClassicist:?--
ZKang123 (
talk) 06:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, all have it: not sure what I missed there. UndercoverClassicist T· C 07:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, which images doesn't have alt text? @
UndercoverClassicist:?--
ZKang123 (
talk) 06:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{ featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. FrB.TG ( talk) 10:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot ( talk) 20 October 2023 [1].
Raffles Place MRT station
After City Hall MRT station got promoted to FA, I shall also take this chance to nominate its brother station Raffles Place. All aboard! ZKang123 ( talk) 06:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
GWL
Congrats on CH's FA! Am reserving a spot here, will get through tomorrow. Gerald WL 10:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
And incoming comments! I've put invisible comments to divide my comments based on sections. Gerald WL 09:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
| Resolved comments from Gerald WL 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC) |
|---|
* "the centre of Singapore's financial district"--
Central Area, Singapore?
|
- Support -- good work once again, and goodluck for Chonk's comments and other comments henceforth! Gerald WL 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
MyCatIsAChonk
Will review, but don't want to reiterate GWL's points- let me know when you've addressed theirs and I'll continue with mine MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) ( not me) ( also not me) ( still no) 22:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- City Hall station is linked twice in the lead
- While the boulders were hard, they were easily broken. - IMO, not necessary to include
- Ground treatment of the soil began on 28 May 1984 and completed by April the following year - "was" completed the following year...
- These murals on vitreous enamel panels depicts scenes of Singapore's history - might be reading this wrong, but I don't think depicts should be plural
- The "Information portfolio" source in the Bibliography has no sfns pointing to it
ZKang123, that's it, nice job! MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) ( not me) ( also not me) ( still no) 11:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support - lovely work! Also, if you get time, I'd appreciate any comments at this FAC. Thanks! MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) ( not me) ( also not me) ( still no) 19:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Thebiguglyalien
I'll have a review written within the next few days. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 21:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
General notes:
- The prose is choppy in some parts of the article. Look for areas where the prose reads like: "This is a statement. This is another statement. The next statement is this one." These areas need to flow a little better before it meets FA's prose requirement in my opinion. Careful use of transitions and compound or complex sentences do a lot to improve readability.
- "Due to" is used a lot. I suggest changing some of these to "because". It's simpler and clearer, and it avoids repetition of the same phrase.
- The article mostly cuts off with the station's opening in 1987. Have there been no major changes of any sort since then?
- There aren't many notable incidents after the station's opening. I'm unsure if a recent anti-terror operation exercise is relevant of mention.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Try to replace, wikilink, or define technical terms when possible.
Lead:
- The article doesn't say that Raffles Place is "the centre of Singapore's financial district"
History:
- "part of the Phase I MRT segment" – The article doesn't say what this means
- Basically " from the Novena to Outram Park stations". This is the segment.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- "From 28 October 1989, it began to serve as the interchange" – Either it began to serve on that date, or it has served from that date. It's not still beginning.
- "with the split of MRT operations" – Not sure what this means
Station construction:
- What happened with the utilities? The article sets up the problem, that the records were inaccurate, but it doesn't suggest a solution was ever found.
- They were all diverted eventually. p112 of source.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- "The soil conditions at the site consisted of silty clay" – Either the soil was silty clay, or the soil conditions were an adjective.
- "supplemented by using a "down-the-hole" (DTH) percussion machine" – Noun/verb consistency: either the augers were supplemented by a DTH machine, or the penetration was supplemented by using a DTH machine.
- "the machine becomes bogged in wet weather due to the machine's" – Two "machine"s. One should be "it".
- "had to be broken apart, through" – Unnecessary comma
Construction of tunnels:
- "for the base slab concrete" – Is there a missing word here, or is this a technical term?
- "the work was planned to proceed in three stages" – I suggest "originally planned" or "initially planned" so the reader knows that this wasn't the final result.
Station details:
- Do the images here need to be 300px? This section doesn't seem quite long enough to warrant two images this large. Alternatively, given how similar these images are, it might be better just to keep one of them.
- Well, @ Gerald Waldo Luis: or someone suggested to upscale the images. I kept the two images to show the different platform levels. I have downsized the images, nevertheless-- ZKang123 ( talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- The station code and the walking distance appear to be added randomly in a paragraph about the routes.
- Don't use pronouns like "it" when starting a new paragraph, as there's no noun for it to refer to. The first time the station is mentioned in a paragraph, refer to it as "Raffles Place" or "the station".
- "A few days before the opening" – Of Raffles Place or of Tanah Merah? Tarah Merah is the last station that was mentioned.
- Clarified it's the MRT extension.
- "have to alight" – Not sure what this means
- "Another brass sculpture" – This is the only brass sculpture mentioned in the article
- "from the Chinese junks" – Can this by clarified or wikilinked?
Ping me if you feel that you've addressed all of the comments or if you have any thoughts about any of them. Once the article is ready, I can go over the prose again. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 17:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- @
Thebiguglyalien: addressed said points.--
ZKang123 (
talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've looked over the article and my concerns have been addressed. I support promotion as a featured article. And if you or anyone else is interested, I currently have an open FAC that could use more feedback. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 21:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Source review – pass
- Citation 2 needs a link to Singapore Monitor
- Citation 7 needs a link to the publisher
- Why was the publisher omitted from citation 38?
- Citations 38, 39, 46 and 47 need access-dates to be consistent with other NewspaperSG citations.
- Citation 45 is missing the via parameter.
- One of the bibliography sources needs a link to the publisher
- There is some inconsistency between sentence case and title case in newspaper citations, such as citations 22, 26 and 29 (which do not match their source's use of sentence case).
- As per source review comments by Gog, they suggested that all titles be in title case regardless of how they appeared in the original. I used this tool converter for title case.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Citations 36 and 37 need to use {{ cite map}}; I'm not sure they can be used to support the statement that those stations are within walking distance, as there is no distance specified.
Just a few notes for now. I will conduct further spotchecks in a bit. Sounder Bruce 19:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ SounderBruce: fixed the title cases as much as I could using the title case converter and cross-checking with MOS.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 06:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi
SounderBruce, how is this one looking now?
Gog the Mild (
talk) 18:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Spotchecks on a sample of eight citations were completed and look good. I do have one more concern: there are no citations given for the inflation/currency conversions. Once this is addressed, I'm happy to pass this on sourcing,
ZKang123.
Sounder
Bruce 19:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- The inflated values basically use the in-wiki template (example:{{Formatnum:{{To USD|{{Inflation|SG|70.7|1984}}|SGP|year=2019|r=0}}}}).--
ZKang123 (
talk) 22:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- There needs to be an inline citation to both the inflation converter (provided by {{ inflation-fn}}) and currency conversion. Sounder Bruce 00:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- The inflated values basically use the in-wiki template (example:{{Formatnum:{{To USD|{{Inflation|SG|70.7|1984}}|SGP|year=2019|r=0}}}}).--
ZKang123 (
talk) 22:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Spotchecks on a sample of eight citations were completed and look good. I do have one more concern: there are no citations given for the inflation/currency conversions. Once this is addressed, I'm happy to pass this on sourcing,
ZKang123.
Sounder
Bruce 19:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Rectified above problem.-- ZKang123 ( talk) 01:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Image review - pass
Not all images have alt text: would strongly suggest adding for accessibility.- Where alt text is used, it shouldn't generally begin with "Photograph of..." or similar, since the screen reader will preface it with "image of...".
- File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Platforms C and D 20211219 145315.jpg, File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Exit B 20211219 144834.jpg, File:NS25 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Platforms A and B (new signage) 20220708 132848.jpg and File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT brass sculpture 20220331 183410.jpg: all good (Wikipedia photographer, CC licence, Singapore has freedom of panorama).
- File:SGMRT-LRT (zoom) map.svg: fine, appropriately licensed, underlying OSM data is open. The Singapore government page doesn't seem to work, but any raw data would come under "bare facts" and so be ineligible for copyright.
No mission-critical issues here, though recommend consistency on alt text.
UndercoverClassicist
T·
C 06:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, which images doesn't have alt text? @
UndercoverClassicist:?--
ZKang123 (
talk) 06:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, all have it: not sure what I missed there. UndercoverClassicist T· C 07:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, which images doesn't have alt text? @
UndercoverClassicist:?--
ZKang123 (
talk) 06:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{ featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. FrB.TG ( talk) 10:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.