- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
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Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
This article is about Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, a Nigerian writer, novelist, poet, essayist and statesman. She mostly dominates the use of Igbo in some of her works, like Purple Hibiscus, Americanah, and so many. Relatively, the author has aired so many talks on education, fashion, and feminism.
I started working on this article till it became a GA. It's quite non figurative to say, "African articles are rarely FA". It's best I nominate this for FA, haven met FA criteria. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 10:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Comments from SusunW
Putting a placemarker here. I am a bit hip deep in real world stuff (101F/38.3C temps and no water. Plumber has the house in disarray searching for the problem, etc. etc. etc.) but will try to get to this, this week. Thank you for your work on Adichie. SusunW ( talk) 19:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Lede
- "in postcolonial feminist literature" seems like odd phrasing. One cannot be inside the boundaries of literature. Suggest "of".
- Done
- "Along with" would perhaps better be phrased as "Following" or "After" since they weren't simultaneously published.
- Done
- "She moved to the United States…" is a really long sentence. Suggest breaking it into two sentences.
- Done
- Subject/verb agreement is off in "Most of her works…delves", i.e. works delve.
- Done
- correct spelling "marrige"
- Done
Early life and background
- Comma needed after 1977
- Done
- Where was she born? The Nation says Abba, Anambra state in Nigeria, which is in the lede, but Luebering's article for Britannica says in Enugu. Looking at various sources, the weight of the evidence
[2]
[3]
[4] is that she was born in Enugu and her father was born in Abba. Add it in the body with curated sources and change it in the lede. (I would eliminate The Nation as a source, as we have better high-quality sources)
- Done: eliminated The Nation too
- Her mother's maiden name of Odigwe should be given, i.e. (née Odigwe) and cited to the obit in This Day.
- Done
- While looking for high-quality sources for her place of birth, I discovered
this source, which gives a discussion about her name and where it came from. From reading it, it seems evident that Amanda N. Adichie was her English name, not a pen name and that "Chimamanda" was created by the author herself in the 1990s.
- Done
- first use of Nsukka should be linked.
- Remove duplicate links for University of Nigeria.
- Done
- Neither The Nation nor Luebering give any description of Nsukka or who populates it. If you are going to include this information it needs to be sourced. I am also unclear why you don't simply state that her parents were Igbo, since the biographies all say that.
- Done: removed relatively all Nsukka
- "James graduated from the University College, Ibadan and thus, met Grace", lose thus, but more importantly, how do we know that's where they met? It is unsourced. His obit confirms he went there, but her obit says she studied at Merit College, in California and later at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka.
- Done
- "After the declaration for secession" is a phrase, it has no subject or verb and I am completely confused as to what this has to do with the parents' employment. Perhaps a new paragraph is in order?
- Done: not keep worthy also
- "It will mostly affect", it what? I am very confused by the text from "After the declaration" to "resumed teaching in the campus" and also note that none of it is cited to any source. Are you meaning that "When Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu declared secession of Biafra from Nigeria in May, 1967, [5] Enugu became the capital of the short-lived state"? How do you dethrone a village? People are enthroned, but are villages? Are you meaning the village was left leaderless after the death of Nzeogwu? The army – what army, i.e. Nigerian or Biafran? I am assuming you mean to say that "the university staff was forced to leave when the (which one?) army took possession of the campus"? If that is correct, I would end that sentence there and start a new one, "After they left, the troops burnt…research works)." Then start another sentence "It was rebuilt" (by creative professions is unnecessary). How does one "free a war"? Do you mean after the war ended? Or that he "fled during the war"? Where was he during the war? Was he married before, during, or after the war? Seems likely before or during, so where was the family?
- The next two paragraphs are unsourced. And while the final paragraph in this section is sourced, it refers to a minute in an audio recording to which the program description page has no link.
My overall impression from beginning this review is that the article is not yet ready for FA. I would strongly suggest that you withdraw it and submit it for [ [6]]. If you choose not to do that and prefer to continue here, I am willing to continue reviewing the rest of the article here, but the coordinators may not prefer that method. She is a significant Nigerian author and I think that it is important that we get the article to the highest possible standard. Please ping me when you have decided which approach you prefer. (Note 2 U's no A) SusunW ( talk) 22:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
SusunW: I have decided to withdraw it and re-nominate after peer review. All the Best!
Otuọcha (
talk) 07:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
-
Gog the Mild can you do what needs to be done to withdraw the article so that
Otuọcha can take it for more in-depth work at peer review? Thanks!
SusunW (
talk)
SusunW (
talk) 12:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Will do. As Susun says, a visit to PR should be helpful. If you can find a mentor, which I realise isn't easy, that would also help. The usual two-week hiatus will apply. Gog the Mild ( talk) 12:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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Gog the Mild can you do what needs to be done to withdraw the article so that
Otuọcha can take it for more in-depth work at peer review? Thanks!
SusunW (
talk)
SusunW (
talk) 12:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Image review
- Don't use fixed px size
- Make sure all images have alt text
- File:Chimamanda_creative_writing_workshop.JPG: source link is dead
- File:Bookbits_-_2009-08-13_Chimamanda_Ngozi_Adichie-The_Thing_Around_Your_Neck.vorb.oga: don't see given license at source link? Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Nikkimaria: I have corrected those fixed px used. All images have "alt" text. For the file, check the page; have archived source, see also [7]. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 01:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Nikkimaria: I was also thinking of that, and to avoid probs. For now, I have removed the file: File:Bookbits_-_2009-08-13_Chimamanda_Ngozi_Adichie-The_Thing_Around_Your_Neck.vorb.oga. Thanks for the review and do well to add other problems. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 01:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Draken Bowser
Thanks for taking the time to write and polish the article of this prolific Nigerian writer. I unfortunately have two major issues with the article, which I think would take some time to correct.
Firstly, the biography-section is mostly a list of releases and their aftermath. I would like to know more about the writing process leading up to each book. Does she chip away at her drafts slowly or finish them obsessively? Did she conduct interviews or dig into archives for research? Did she go back across the Atlantic to reminisce and set the mood before getting to work? Also, I think the section should be padded with more sentences concerning her life that are not directly tied to her books.
- Done: fixed per your review
Secondly, I'm missing a section discussing her body of work in its entirety. In an FA-level article on a writer there would usually be a section on overarching themes and writing style based on academic sources. You have started such a section under "Influences and legacy", but it needs to be more comprehensive.
- Done: fixing more sources
Finally, a few minor suggestions:
- Lead: Add "..which took the lives of both of her grandfathers and was a major theme of Purple Hibiscus and Half of a Yellow Sun." Also maybe change to "She cautions against.."
- Done: placed on Lead after! (2nd paragraph)
- Education: remove the honorary degrees here, they are essentially awards.
- Lectures: I'd remove the last quote on Beyoncé under "We should all be feminists". I don't think it's necessary, she endorses B in the previous quote already.
Best regards. Draken Bowser ( talk) 18:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've been pondering the quotes from critics and scholars in response to her book releases. I think such quotes make more sense in articles on individual novels (or other creative works), where a few can be selected to "represent" the critical reception. The space is much more limited in a biography article and it is likely better to use sources that attempt to summarize the response, and write standard prose. To the extent that there should be quotes from critics and scholars placing them in the section on influences, themes and style, seems more appropriate. Draken Bowser ( talk) 20:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. Will be doing that right away
For the record, my thinking is along the lines of SusunW. You're improving the article at a remarkable pace! Still, I think it would make a lot of sense to temporarily withdraw, work on the article for as long as you need to address our concerns, and return for another nomination. If you agree, feel free to contact me when you re-nominate. I'd be happy to pick up where we left of. Draken Bowser ( talk) 00:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Draken Bowser:Thanks and will do that. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 07:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{ featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild ( talk) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was archived by Gog the Mild via FACBot ( talk) 31 March 2024 [1].
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
This article is about Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, a Nigerian writer, novelist, poet, essayist and statesman. She mostly dominates the use of Igbo in some of her works, like Purple Hibiscus, Americanah, and so many. Relatively, the author has aired so many talks on education, fashion, and feminism.
I started working on this article till it became a GA. It's quite non figurative to say, "African articles are rarely FA". It's best I nominate this for FA, haven met FA criteria. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 10:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Comments from SusunW
Putting a placemarker here. I am a bit hip deep in real world stuff (101F/38.3C temps and no water. Plumber has the house in disarray searching for the problem, etc. etc. etc.) but will try to get to this, this week. Thank you for your work on Adichie. SusunW ( talk) 19:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Lede
- "in postcolonial feminist literature" seems like odd phrasing. One cannot be inside the boundaries of literature. Suggest "of".
- Done
- "Along with" would perhaps better be phrased as "Following" or "After" since they weren't simultaneously published.
- Done
- "She moved to the United States…" is a really long sentence. Suggest breaking it into two sentences.
- Done
- Subject/verb agreement is off in "Most of her works…delves", i.e. works delve.
- Done
- correct spelling "marrige"
- Done
Early life and background
- Comma needed after 1977
- Done
- Where was she born? The Nation says Abba, Anambra state in Nigeria, which is in the lede, but Luebering's article for Britannica says in Enugu. Looking at various sources, the weight of the evidence
[2]
[3]
[4] is that she was born in Enugu and her father was born in Abba. Add it in the body with curated sources and change it in the lede. (I would eliminate The Nation as a source, as we have better high-quality sources)
- Done: eliminated The Nation too
- Her mother's maiden name of Odigwe should be given, i.e. (née Odigwe) and cited to the obit in This Day.
- Done
- While looking for high-quality sources for her place of birth, I discovered
this source, which gives a discussion about her name and where it came from. From reading it, it seems evident that Amanda N. Adichie was her English name, not a pen name and that "Chimamanda" was created by the author herself in the 1990s.
- Done
- first use of Nsukka should be linked.
- Remove duplicate links for University of Nigeria.
- Done
- Neither The Nation nor Luebering give any description of Nsukka or who populates it. If you are going to include this information it needs to be sourced. I am also unclear why you don't simply state that her parents were Igbo, since the biographies all say that.
- Done: removed relatively all Nsukka
- "James graduated from the University College, Ibadan and thus, met Grace", lose thus, but more importantly, how do we know that's where they met? It is unsourced. His obit confirms he went there, but her obit says she studied at Merit College, in California and later at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka.
- Done
- "After the declaration for secession" is a phrase, it has no subject or verb and I am completely confused as to what this has to do with the parents' employment. Perhaps a new paragraph is in order?
- Done: not keep worthy also
- "It will mostly affect", it what? I am very confused by the text from "After the declaration" to "resumed teaching in the campus" and also note that none of it is cited to any source. Are you meaning that "When Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu declared secession of Biafra from Nigeria in May, 1967, [5] Enugu became the capital of the short-lived state"? How do you dethrone a village? People are enthroned, but are villages? Are you meaning the village was left leaderless after the death of Nzeogwu? The army – what army, i.e. Nigerian or Biafran? I am assuming you mean to say that "the university staff was forced to leave when the (which one?) army took possession of the campus"? If that is correct, I would end that sentence there and start a new one, "After they left, the troops burnt…research works)." Then start another sentence "It was rebuilt" (by creative professions is unnecessary). How does one "free a war"? Do you mean after the war ended? Or that he "fled during the war"? Where was he during the war? Was he married before, during, or after the war? Seems likely before or during, so where was the family?
- The next two paragraphs are unsourced. And while the final paragraph in this section is sourced, it refers to a minute in an audio recording to which the program description page has no link.
My overall impression from beginning this review is that the article is not yet ready for FA. I would strongly suggest that you withdraw it and submit it for [ [6]]. If you choose not to do that and prefer to continue here, I am willing to continue reviewing the rest of the article here, but the coordinators may not prefer that method. She is a significant Nigerian author and I think that it is important that we get the article to the highest possible standard. Please ping me when you have decided which approach you prefer. (Note 2 U's no A) SusunW ( talk) 22:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
SusunW: I have decided to withdraw it and re-nominate after peer review. All the Best!
Otuọcha (
talk) 07:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
-
Gog the Mild can you do what needs to be done to withdraw the article so that
Otuọcha can take it for more in-depth work at peer review? Thanks!
SusunW (
talk)
SusunW (
talk) 12:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Will do. As Susun says, a visit to PR should be helpful. If you can find a mentor, which I realise isn't easy, that would also help. The usual two-week hiatus will apply. Gog the Mild ( talk) 12:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
-
Gog the Mild can you do what needs to be done to withdraw the article so that
Otuọcha can take it for more in-depth work at peer review? Thanks!
SusunW (
talk)
SusunW (
talk) 12:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Image review
- Don't use fixed px size
- Make sure all images have alt text
- File:Chimamanda_creative_writing_workshop.JPG: source link is dead
- File:Bookbits_-_2009-08-13_Chimamanda_Ngozi_Adichie-The_Thing_Around_Your_Neck.vorb.oga: don't see given license at source link? Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Nikkimaria: I have corrected those fixed px used. All images have "alt" text. For the file, check the page; have archived source, see also [7]. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 01:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Nikkimaria: I was also thinking of that, and to avoid probs. For now, I have removed the file: File:Bookbits_-_2009-08-13_Chimamanda_Ngozi_Adichie-The_Thing_Around_Your_Neck.vorb.oga. Thanks for the review and do well to add other problems. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 01:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Draken Bowser
Thanks for taking the time to write and polish the article of this prolific Nigerian writer. I unfortunately have two major issues with the article, which I think would take some time to correct.
Firstly, the biography-section is mostly a list of releases and their aftermath. I would like to know more about the writing process leading up to each book. Does she chip away at her drafts slowly or finish them obsessively? Did she conduct interviews or dig into archives for research? Did she go back across the Atlantic to reminisce and set the mood before getting to work? Also, I think the section should be padded with more sentences concerning her life that are not directly tied to her books.
- Done: fixed per your review
Secondly, I'm missing a section discussing her body of work in its entirety. In an FA-level article on a writer there would usually be a section on overarching themes and writing style based on academic sources. You have started such a section under "Influences and legacy", but it needs to be more comprehensive.
- Done: fixing more sources
Finally, a few minor suggestions:
- Lead: Add "..which took the lives of both of her grandfathers and was a major theme of Purple Hibiscus and Half of a Yellow Sun." Also maybe change to "She cautions against.."
- Done: placed on Lead after! (2nd paragraph)
- Education: remove the honorary degrees here, they are essentially awards.
- Lectures: I'd remove the last quote on Beyoncé under "We should all be feminists". I don't think it's necessary, she endorses B in the previous quote already.
Best regards. Draken Bowser ( talk) 18:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've been pondering the quotes from critics and scholars in response to her book releases. I think such quotes make more sense in articles on individual novels (or other creative works), where a few can be selected to "represent" the critical reception. The space is much more limited in a biography article and it is likely better to use sources that attempt to summarize the response, and write standard prose. To the extent that there should be quotes from critics and scholars placing them in the section on influences, themes and style, seems more appropriate. Draken Bowser ( talk) 20:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. Will be doing that right away
For the record, my thinking is along the lines of SusunW. You're improving the article at a remarkable pace! Still, I think it would make a lot of sense to temporarily withdraw, work on the article for as long as you need to address our concerns, and return for another nomination. If you agree, feel free to contact me when you re-nominate. I'd be happy to pick up where we left of. Draken Bowser ( talk) 00:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Draken Bowser:Thanks and will do that. All the Best! Otuọcha ( talk) 07:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{ featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild ( talk) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.