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  • Priyanka Choudhary – The previous deletions are endorsed. The community has been asked to evaluate lots of draft articles about Priyanka Choudhary, and we've done that again and again, and I'm afraid that we're sick and tired of it. There are serial sockpuppetteers who keep gaming the article title to create an article about her ( 1, 2, 3, 4) and they have soaked up a ludicrous amount of our time and attention. The last time I closed a DRV about this, just over a year ago, I wrote: I think it is unlikely that Wikipedia will host an article about Ms Choudhary unless and until new sources, meaning ones that we haven't previously considered, emerge. These sources would need to meet each and every requirement of WP:RS. Well, the nominator's draft does indeed include new sources that weren't in the previous draft, but they're gossipy showbiz sources that en.wiki doesn't love. The work the nominator has put into the draft isn't necessarily wasted, though; you might find the Big Brother fandom wiki wants it, e.g. here?— S Marshall  T/ C 12:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Priyanka Choudhary ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( article| XfD| restore)

She has attained WP:NACTOR with her roles in tv shows, films, web-series and music videos. She was the 2nd runner-up in the Indian popular reality show Big Boss (Season 16) which makes it fit to create an article for her.

  • The most important point to be noted is that her co-stars Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia and Isha Malviya have wikipedia articles even though they have lesser significant roles than Priyanka.
  • Endorse - Subject is listed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Perennial requests. There is a history of the gaming of titles by changing the spelling or form of her name. There is a history of sockpuppetry attempting to recreate articles on the subject. This request by an IP is no exception. The title is not salted either in article space or in draft space, although maybe it should be, so the appellant can create and submit a draft, but they probably know that the AFC reviewers will be wary. There was nothing wrong with either of the two AFDs, and her fans are doing her no good by making another tendentious request. Robert McClenon ( talk) 07:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Not only is that the correct outcome for the discussion, my sense is the requesting IP may be evading a block. SportingFlyer T· C 09:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    No I am not a sockpuppet who is evading block. You can check my edit history. 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    The edit history shows that the appellant is submitting from an IPv4 address that does not have any previous edit history, which proves only that they are an IPv4 address, and that IPv4 addresses often shift because they are managed dynamically by ISPs. In case anyone hasn't noticed, IPv4 addresses have been exhausted, and so have to be managed dynamically by ISPs. Why are you editing logged out? Why don't you register an account (which, if pseudonymous, is more secure than editing logged out), or why don't you use your existing account? Rather than being a block-evading sockpuppet, the appellant may be a pop-up, an editor who shows up for the first time because they were canvassed on some other web site. Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • But I agree I am a fan of Priyanka which is why it hurts me that actresses like Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia and Isha Malviya who didn't pass WP:NACTOR have a Wikipedia page but Priyanka doesn't. 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Isha Malviya's page is already nominated for deletion, can anyone here who knows how to nominate a page for deletion can do the same for Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia too? 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Allow recreation and relist - I think that's the bare minimum that can be done since Priyanka passes WP:NACTOR. 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Why not allow a redirect to Bigg Boss (Hindi season 16) where she is mentioned? Google news suggests there may be enough to write an article about her, no matter how annoying fans may have been in the past... Jclemens ( talk) 08:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Exactly my point, why not allow a recreation when the actress has passed WP: NACTOR and has everything required to have an independent article. Why are we denied recreation all because of some unpleasant experiences from her fans earlier? 117.209.172.233 ( talk) 09:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep deleted, per /Perennial requests. Any article that has reached the level of a listing there has been discussed at very great length and the standard at that point is that a request from an established, high-volume editor presenting a well-sourced draft is the hurdle to be reached for us to reconsider it. This is not setting different standards per topic, it is setting a basic level of respect and consideration for people's time. A request from an IP with no edit history, presenting no sources, and just asserting the standards are met isn't going to cut it. Stifle ( talk) 09:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    We can present a full fledged resourced article of Priyanka Choudhary if we are allowed to do it. Which is why I have asked for Allow recreation and relist. We could have already done ✅ it and shown to you because the topic is not salted. But we didn't do it because of the number of times it has been deleted and huge number controversies surrounding the article.
Please please please give us a chance to recreate the article. 117.209.172.233 ( talk) 10:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Nothing whatsoever prevents you from drafting an article in a user sandbox. Mainspace and draftspace may be denied by past bad behavior, but I don't see how or why user sandbox space would be. Jclemens ( talk) 00:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
To be very honest Sir/Ma'am. We had no idea about user sandbox. But now that you suggested it we will surely try it. Thanks a lot 😊. 117.246.253.49 ( talk) 05:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment- I am using we instead of I because we are a group of 5 editor friends who create new articles of Indian Television actors and actresses. We have come earlier for the DRV of several actors. I edit anonymously using IP because I am comfortable with that. However, one among the 5 of us has an account. If required we can ask her to come her to come here using the account. 117.209.172.233 ( talk) 10:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse existing status. NACTOR is not passed by having roles, it's passed by receiving reliable source coverage about those performances, so just arguing that she's passed NACTOR without showing the sourcing is not on. Bearcat ( talk) 03:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    We will create her article in user sandbox and show it to you how she passes WP:NACTOR. 117.246.253.49 ( talk) 05:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment to all editors and closing admin- @ Jclemens:,@ Bearcat: I have created the WP:BLP of Priyanka in my user sandbox here [1] with reliable source coverage such that it proves Priyanka Choudhary passes WP:NACTOR. I kindly request you all to go through the same.
It is proved in the article that Priyanka passes WP:NACTOR through her lead and significant roles in the TV shows Yeh Hai Chahatein, Udaariyaan, Savdhaan India – F.I.R, Bigg Boss 16 and the web series 3G Gaali Galoch Girls, Dus June Ki Raat. Plus, she had also appeared in over 15 Music videos which should count too. 117.246.253.49 ( talk) 07:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
  • K. Annamalai (I.P.S) – There is consensus for the following outcomes: Salting endorsed. Draft rejected. Topic listed at WP:DEEPER (per the duplicate DRV).
    To anyone who might start a future DRV about this: Do not do so unless: (1) you are an AfC reviewer who wants to accept the submission because, according to your independent reasoning, the draft is ready for mainspace, but you can not for technical reasons (if you do not think that the draft is ready for mainspace, there is no need to come here); (2) you are an editor who believes that the draft should be accepted and you feel capable of starting this process with a concise statement how the draft is prima facie worthy of a review and how it is ready for mainspace.— Alalch E. 13:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
K. Annamalai (I.P.S) ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

So this is a my first time doing this so tell me if im wrong, but the article (prior version) Draft:K. Annamalai was deleted, and the outcome was endorsed. As a draft has been re-created, an endorsement of the draft is required from DRV (if I understand correctly). So, endorse re-creation of draft or no? Geardona ( talk to me?) 02:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • previous DRV: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 November 2#Annamalai Kuppusamy
    Filer is a new page reviewer. Annamalai Kuppusamy and K. Annamalai (I.P.S) are salted/blacklisted. This is submission of a draft to DRV for a review: Per Sandstein's close, DRV should decide if there exists a draft that is "competent" (prima facie worthy of a review) and suitable for acceptance, as a basis for allowing recreation. I formatted the malformed request.— Alalch E. 10:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • K. Annamalai is not the same person as the K. Annamalai from Draft:K. Annamalai.— Alalch E. 11:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse Salting or Reject Draft, depending on what we are being asked and how to phrase our reply. As an AFC reviewer, I see two blatant problems with this draft. First, it is clearly written to {{ praise}} its subject rather than to describe them neutrally. Second, it has been reference-bombed. For these reasons, reviewers should not spend any significant time reviewing it, and nothing should be said that might encourage the submitter to waste both their time and that of the reviewers. This does not mean that the subject is not notable or that the subject is notable. It is not feasible for reviewers to determine whether the subject is notable, because the draft is not prima facie worthy of a detailed review. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse salting and reject draft, this is still not a 'competent draft' in my opinion. The draft creator (note not the DRV filer) is the same single-purpose account that submitted it last time, and then bludgeoned the discussion so badly. There are the ongoing faults regarding notability displayed in the draft, neutrality, and an overwhelming sense that there may be an undisclosed conflict of interest at play here. Daniel ( talk) 00:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_March_13&oldid=1215489897"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 2024 March 12
2024 March 14 >

13 March 2024

  • Priyanka Choudhary – The previous deletions are endorsed. The community has been asked to evaluate lots of draft articles about Priyanka Choudhary, and we've done that again and again, and I'm afraid that we're sick and tired of it. There are serial sockpuppetteers who keep gaming the article title to create an article about her ( 1, 2, 3, 4) and they have soaked up a ludicrous amount of our time and attention. The last time I closed a DRV about this, just over a year ago, I wrote: I think it is unlikely that Wikipedia will host an article about Ms Choudhary unless and until new sources, meaning ones that we haven't previously considered, emerge. These sources would need to meet each and every requirement of WP:RS. Well, the nominator's draft does indeed include new sources that weren't in the previous draft, but they're gossipy showbiz sources that en.wiki doesn't love. The work the nominator has put into the draft isn't necessarily wasted, though; you might find the Big Brother fandom wiki wants it, e.g. here?— S Marshall  T/ C 12:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Priyanka Choudhary ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( article| XfD| restore)

She has attained WP:NACTOR with her roles in tv shows, films, web-series and music videos. She was the 2nd runner-up in the Indian popular reality show Big Boss (Season 16) which makes it fit to create an article for her.

  • The most important point to be noted is that her co-stars Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia and Isha Malviya have wikipedia articles even though they have lesser significant roles than Priyanka.
  • Endorse - Subject is listed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Perennial requests. There is a history of the gaming of titles by changing the spelling or form of her name. There is a history of sockpuppetry attempting to recreate articles on the subject. This request by an IP is no exception. The title is not salted either in article space or in draft space, although maybe it should be, so the appellant can create and submit a draft, but they probably know that the AFC reviewers will be wary. There was nothing wrong with either of the two AFDs, and her fans are doing her no good by making another tendentious request. Robert McClenon ( talk) 07:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Not only is that the correct outcome for the discussion, my sense is the requesting IP may be evading a block. SportingFlyer T· C 09:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    No I am not a sockpuppet who is evading block. You can check my edit history. 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    The edit history shows that the appellant is submitting from an IPv4 address that does not have any previous edit history, which proves only that they are an IPv4 address, and that IPv4 addresses often shift because they are managed dynamically by ISPs. In case anyone hasn't noticed, IPv4 addresses have been exhausted, and so have to be managed dynamically by ISPs. Why are you editing logged out? Why don't you register an account (which, if pseudonymous, is more secure than editing logged out), or why don't you use your existing account? Rather than being a block-evading sockpuppet, the appellant may be a pop-up, an editor who shows up for the first time because they were canvassed on some other web site. Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • But I agree I am a fan of Priyanka which is why it hurts me that actresses like Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia and Isha Malviya who didn't pass WP:NACTOR have a Wikipedia page but Priyanka doesn't. 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Isha Malviya's page is already nominated for deletion, can anyone here who knows how to nominate a page for deletion can do the same for Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia too? 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Allow recreation and relist - I think that's the bare minimum that can be done since Priyanka passes WP:NACTOR. 117.242.82.161 ( talk) 10:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Why not allow a redirect to Bigg Boss (Hindi season 16) where she is mentioned? Google news suggests there may be enough to write an article about her, no matter how annoying fans may have been in the past... Jclemens ( talk) 08:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    Exactly my point, why not allow a recreation when the actress has passed WP: NACTOR and has everything required to have an independent article. Why are we denied recreation all because of some unpleasant experiences from her fans earlier? 117.209.172.233 ( talk) 09:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep deleted, per /Perennial requests. Any article that has reached the level of a listing there has been discussed at very great length and the standard at that point is that a request from an established, high-volume editor presenting a well-sourced draft is the hurdle to be reached for us to reconsider it. This is not setting different standards per topic, it is setting a basic level of respect and consideration for people's time. A request from an IP with no edit history, presenting no sources, and just asserting the standards are met isn't going to cut it. Stifle ( talk) 09:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    We can present a full fledged resourced article of Priyanka Choudhary if we are allowed to do it. Which is why I have asked for Allow recreation and relist. We could have already done ✅ it and shown to you because the topic is not salted. But we didn't do it because of the number of times it has been deleted and huge number controversies surrounding the article.
Please please please give us a chance to recreate the article. 117.209.172.233 ( talk) 10:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Nothing whatsoever prevents you from drafting an article in a user sandbox. Mainspace and draftspace may be denied by past bad behavior, but I don't see how or why user sandbox space would be. Jclemens ( talk) 00:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
To be very honest Sir/Ma'am. We had no idea about user sandbox. But now that you suggested it we will surely try it. Thanks a lot 😊. 117.246.253.49 ( talk) 05:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment- I am using we instead of I because we are a group of 5 editor friends who create new articles of Indian Television actors and actresses. We have come earlier for the DRV of several actors. I edit anonymously using IP because I am comfortable with that. However, one among the 5 of us has an account. If required we can ask her to come her to come here using the account. 117.209.172.233 ( talk) 10:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse existing status. NACTOR is not passed by having roles, it's passed by receiving reliable source coverage about those performances, so just arguing that she's passed NACTOR without showing the sourcing is not on. Bearcat ( talk) 03:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    We will create her article in user sandbox and show it to you how she passes WP:NACTOR. 117.246.253.49 ( talk) 05:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment to all editors and closing admin- @ Jclemens:,@ Bearcat: I have created the WP:BLP of Priyanka in my user sandbox here [1] with reliable source coverage such that it proves Priyanka Choudhary passes WP:NACTOR. I kindly request you all to go through the same.
It is proved in the article that Priyanka passes WP:NACTOR through her lead and significant roles in the TV shows Yeh Hai Chahatein, Udaariyaan, Savdhaan India – F.I.R, Bigg Boss 16 and the web series 3G Gaali Galoch Girls, Dus June Ki Raat. Plus, she had also appeared in over 15 Music videos which should count too. 117.246.253.49 ( talk) 07:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
  • K. Annamalai (I.P.S) – There is consensus for the following outcomes: Salting endorsed. Draft rejected. Topic listed at WP:DEEPER (per the duplicate DRV).
    To anyone who might start a future DRV about this: Do not do so unless: (1) you are an AfC reviewer who wants to accept the submission because, according to your independent reasoning, the draft is ready for mainspace, but you can not for technical reasons (if you do not think that the draft is ready for mainspace, there is no need to come here); (2) you are an editor who believes that the draft should be accepted and you feel capable of starting this process with a concise statement how the draft is prima facie worthy of a review and how it is ready for mainspace.— Alalch E. 13:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
K. Annamalai (I.P.S) ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( XfD| restore)

So this is a my first time doing this so tell me if im wrong, but the article (prior version) Draft:K. Annamalai was deleted, and the outcome was endorsed. As a draft has been re-created, an endorsement of the draft is required from DRV (if I understand correctly). So, endorse re-creation of draft or no? Geardona ( talk to me?) 02:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • previous DRV: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 November 2#Annamalai Kuppusamy
    Filer is a new page reviewer. Annamalai Kuppusamy and K. Annamalai (I.P.S) are salted/blacklisted. This is submission of a draft to DRV for a review: Per Sandstein's close, DRV should decide if there exists a draft that is "competent" (prima facie worthy of a review) and suitable for acceptance, as a basis for allowing recreation. I formatted the malformed request.— Alalch E. 10:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • K. Annamalai is not the same person as the K. Annamalai from Draft:K. Annamalai.— Alalch E. 11:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse Salting or Reject Draft, depending on what we are being asked and how to phrase our reply. As an AFC reviewer, I see two blatant problems with this draft. First, it is clearly written to {{ praise}} its subject rather than to describe them neutrally. Second, it has been reference-bombed. For these reasons, reviewers should not spend any significant time reviewing it, and nothing should be said that might encourage the submitter to waste both their time and that of the reviewers. This does not mean that the subject is not notable or that the subject is notable. It is not feasible for reviewers to determine whether the subject is notable, because the draft is not prima facie worthy of a detailed review. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse salting and reject draft, this is still not a 'competent draft' in my opinion. The draft creator (note not the DRV filer) is the same single-purpose account that submitted it last time, and then bludgeoned the discussion so badly. There are the ongoing faults regarding notability displayed in the draft, neutrality, and an overwhelming sense that there may be an undisclosed conflict of interest at play here. Daniel ( talk) 00:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_March_13&oldid=1215489897"

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