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Speedy deletion was done outside of the criteria or is otherwise disputed. Another interested editor Jlevi discussed notability on the talk page, and asked how they could help improve the article, but did not express any concern about spam/ad/promotion. I've written several new articles recently, and this one is not significantly different in how it was written. It uses book, journal, and news sources. A small part of the content was taken from material prepared by others at Wikipedia, at Peter_J._Webster#Climate_Forecast_Applications_Network. Attempt to discuss on admin JzG talk page was summarily rejected with unhelpful response, "please don't write advertorial on Wikipedia." Yae4 ( talk) 00:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
@ S Marshall:To summarize, the article does not look promotional compared with other articles I've been involved in, or read, and I was cautious to write neutrally, because I am aware of some active suppression and "gutting" of articles at Wikipedia. Thanks for your suggestions. Feedback: Honestly, those are relatively trivial edits (except maybe adding company statistics). So, if that's all, it doesn't justify speedy deletion. (1) No contact details were included; only a link to the contact page. It was going to be the source for their location in an infobox, unless an independent source was found. (2) See a contrasting example below. This suggestion is not entirely consistent with other articles I've worked on with other editors including for Did You Know, but I'm not saying you're wrong. (3) All that sounds like Original Research unless independent sources have it or their About is referenced. (4) I make it a practice not to "fight" at Wikipedia, although I encounter plenty of editors who seem to have trouble with baiting, instigating and insulting. Here is arguably an absentee vote for Not Endorsing Speedy Deletion. If you look back in this article history, you may notice Keith D made a small helpful edit, fixing a cite date error. Diff At that time, the article was written substantially as it now stands, except it has been expanded. Diff I asked Keith D on their talk page to give an opinion here, but they chose not to. Keith D is an admin; did not tag the article with promotion or similar; did not leave a Talk note saying it was "advertorial" or suggesting changes to make it less promotional. Compare and contrast this Speedy Deletion with Climate Feedback [1] when I was going to RSN for help. [2] And JzG aka Guy (and PaleoNeonate) were involved in discussion. Glowing (aka promotional) statements in the article: It "seeks out top climate scientists". The Guardian referred to it as "a highly respected and influential resource". "each reviewer has to hold a PhD and be published in top-tier peer-reviewed science journals." (Note: These have mostly been toned down in the current version.) The founder, Vincent, is named 5 times. Their About page is used as a source. (In my opinion, it is weak regarding significant "reliable" source coverage.) Was it Speedily Deleted by JzG aka Guy? Tagged? Criticized for promotion? Nope. -- Yae4 ( talk) 15:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Closer concluded, correctly I think, that there was a consensus to keep, "or likely a stronger argument that this results in no consensus", but then overrode the consensus and deleted the article, doing so on the ground that it was a biography of a living person." While the article was lightly sourced (not unsourced) when the AfD began, additional sources were brought forward at AfD, such that WP:BLP does not provide grounds for overriding consensus. Cbl62 ( talk) 15:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
The Queen's Park F.C. squad template was deleted in 2015 because, at that time, Queen's Park were an amateur club and had few (if any) players who warranted a Wikipedia article. They have recently adopted professional status and have since signed several players who do have an article. I think it would now be worthwhile to recreate the template. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 11:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I disagree with the CSD for YouthHax. G11 is used for blatant advertising, and the page for YouthHax was written factually and objectively. I have contacted deleting administrator user:Anthony Appleyard on his talk page, and have been ignored. Raymo111 02:58, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Speedy deletion was done outside of the criteria or is otherwise disputed. Another interested editor Jlevi discussed notability on the talk page, and asked how they could help improve the article, but did not express any concern about spam/ad/promotion. I've written several new articles recently, and this one is not significantly different in how it was written. It uses book, journal, and news sources. A small part of the content was taken from material prepared by others at Wikipedia, at Peter_J._Webster#Climate_Forecast_Applications_Network. Attempt to discuss on admin JzG talk page was summarily rejected with unhelpful response, "please don't write advertorial on Wikipedia." Yae4 ( talk) 00:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
@ S Marshall:To summarize, the article does not look promotional compared with other articles I've been involved in, or read, and I was cautious to write neutrally, because I am aware of some active suppression and "gutting" of articles at Wikipedia. Thanks for your suggestions. Feedback: Honestly, those are relatively trivial edits (except maybe adding company statistics). So, if that's all, it doesn't justify speedy deletion. (1) No contact details were included; only a link to the contact page. It was going to be the source for their location in an infobox, unless an independent source was found. (2) See a contrasting example below. This suggestion is not entirely consistent with other articles I've worked on with other editors including for Did You Know, but I'm not saying you're wrong. (3) All that sounds like Original Research unless independent sources have it or their About is referenced. (4) I make it a practice not to "fight" at Wikipedia, although I encounter plenty of editors who seem to have trouble with baiting, instigating and insulting. Here is arguably an absentee vote for Not Endorsing Speedy Deletion. If you look back in this article history, you may notice Keith D made a small helpful edit, fixing a cite date error. Diff At that time, the article was written substantially as it now stands, except it has been expanded. Diff I asked Keith D on their talk page to give an opinion here, but they chose not to. Keith D is an admin; did not tag the article with promotion or similar; did not leave a Talk note saying it was "advertorial" or suggesting changes to make it less promotional. Compare and contrast this Speedy Deletion with Climate Feedback [1] when I was going to RSN for help. [2] And JzG aka Guy (and PaleoNeonate) were involved in discussion. Glowing (aka promotional) statements in the article: It "seeks out top climate scientists". The Guardian referred to it as "a highly respected and influential resource". "each reviewer has to hold a PhD and be published in top-tier peer-reviewed science journals." (Note: These have mostly been toned down in the current version.) The founder, Vincent, is named 5 times. Their About page is used as a source. (In my opinion, it is weak regarding significant "reliable" source coverage.) Was it Speedily Deleted by JzG aka Guy? Tagged? Criticized for promotion? Nope. -- Yae4 ( talk) 15:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Closer concluded, correctly I think, that there was a consensus to keep, "or likely a stronger argument that this results in no consensus", but then overrode the consensus and deleted the article, doing so on the ground that it was a biography of a living person." While the article was lightly sourced (not unsourced) when the AfD began, additional sources were brought forward at AfD, such that WP:BLP does not provide grounds for overriding consensus. Cbl62 ( talk) 15:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
The Queen's Park F.C. squad template was deleted in 2015 because, at that time, Queen's Park were an amateur club and had few (if any) players who warranted a Wikipedia article. They have recently adopted professional status and have since signed several players who do have an article. I think it would now be worthwhile to recreate the template. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 11:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I disagree with the CSD for YouthHax. G11 is used for blatant advertising, and the page for YouthHax was written factually and objectively. I have contacted deleting administrator user:Anthony Appleyard on his talk page, and have been ignored. Raymo111 02:58, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |