Category:Local political office-holders in Japan by prefecture
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Nominator's rationale:Partial merge, just add
Mayors of places in Japan by prefecture to that parent, then delete. This is an unnecessary layer that adds nothing helpful for navigation. It was created by a user who is now blocked. –
FayenaticLondon 20:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. --
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Category:New Thought schools
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Category:Local political office-holders in Nigeria by state
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The result of the discussion was:Merge/delete per nomination. –
FayenaticLondon 11:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support in principle but many of these need to be merged into the first target
Category:Former populated places in Ukraine. I sampled two cases, one was in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, but that is not a subcat. Another is in submerged places in Ukraine, which is also not a subcat. Either these categories explaining reasons for depopulation need to be in
Category:Former populated places in Ukraine or the deletions need to be replaced by mergers to that. I do not mine which.
Peterkingiron (
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Qwerfjkltalk 08:51, 29 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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✗plicit 13:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
For clarification,
User:Peterkingiron and I agree on the fact that the content should stay in the tree of
Category:Former populated places in Ukraine. My point is just that they do so anyway in the cases where I proposed deletion. If there remains doubt about that then just merge instead of delete.
Marcocapelle (
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Question to @
Marcocapelle: are you intentionally excluding the contents from also being merged to the second parent "History of XXX Oblast" in each case? –
FayenaticLondon 20:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Former populated places categories surely belong in a history tree, but for articles about former populated places it is less intuitive to me. I would not strongly object though.
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Category:Submerged settlements in Ukraine
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Comment -- Are we sure that the potential population is only 3? Sunken cities (see nom above) has loads of potential members for a US sibling category.
Peterkingiron (
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US should be the first country to have an own subcategory, not Ukraine.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 17:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)reply
There's no race to be "first". If you can defend the US having a subcategory, then any other country can automatically have a subcategory too the moment somebody deigns to create one. If any exist at all, then all are fair game, and there's no "the US must be first" rule.
Bearcat (
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✗plicit 13:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. There are more than enough articles about US settlements in the parent category to justify a subcategory for the US the moment anybody deigns to take on the job of creating one, and a category for the Netherlands would also be entirely possible to construct from
List of settlements lost to floods in the Netherlands even though not everything in that list has actually been added to this category at all — and even so, it's already not at all true that there are no other subcategories by country: while it isn't named "Submerged settlements in Canada", the subcategory for
Category:The Lost Villages is a Canadian-exclusive category that could potentially be renamed to
Category:Submerged settlements in Canada (or alternatively kept as a subcategory of one if it's possible to identify other submerged settlements outside of Stormont County). And for added bonus, scratch what I said about "the moment anybody deigns to take on the job" of creating a US subcategory, because I just did the deed.
Bearcat (
talk) 12:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)reply
It is nice to have a discussion about other countries but the nomination was just about Ukraine.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)reply
And your "argument", such as it was, was precisely that no other by-country subcategories existed yet — and therefore the potential or actual existence of other by-country subcategories is 100 per cent germane to the discussion. How else is anybody supposed to discuss the nomination at all if we're not allowed to address the substance of what you said?
Bearcat (
talk) 13:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Ok, I should have phrased that differently. The intention behind that comment was that the smallcat exception rule does not apply.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:New Thought terminology
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Nominator's rationale:merge, original New Thought terms (if there are any) can better be put in
Category:New Thought beliefs. This list mostly contains general spiritual and esotheric terms.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge per nomination. Also
WP:OVERCAT, that category currently only contains one list article, with slim chances of adding any more.
Storchy (
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Support per above. --
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Category:New Thought movement
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Nominator's rationale:New Thought is itself a movement, so this child category is redundant, and makes it harder to find sub-categories.
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Category:Films about the Sri Lankan Civil War
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. Kailash29792(talk) 03:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge The categories are similar in scope, and the former is consistent with the established naming convention for works by topic. –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 04:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
There is a difference in the naming styles. There are more films where the Civil War is not the main focus but still a key plot point, like Thenali. Don't make this like the debate over
Die Hard's status as a Christmas film. Kailash29792(talk) 04:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge per LaundryPizza03 and purge films for which the war is not a defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Deniers of Japanese war crimes
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Nominator's rationale: WP:OPINIONCAT and WP:CONTENTIOUSLABEL. Deniers of the Uyghur genocide category was also deleted with a similar line of reasoning.
Madame Necker (
talk) 01:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete, just having an opinion is not a basis for categorization. I would not oppose a category for "denial activists", at least in theory, but most people in this category would not belong there.
Nobukatsu Fujioka has been put in
Category:Historical negationism and that seems alright.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:59, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
It seems we have local consensus either in the earlier discussion or here. Procedurally it is probably useful to start the group nomination again with all editors of both discussions involved.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not a basis for categorization. Sometimes subjective and certainly open to change.
Doczilla@SUPERHEROLOGIST 18:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. If sufficient RS describe them as such this should not be a labeling issue. Andre🚐 18:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per Marcocapelle. But I would not oppose a category for "denial activists". --
Privybst (
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Category:Local political office-holders in Japan by prefecture
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Nominator's rationale:Partial merge, just add
Mayors of places in Japan by prefecture to that parent, then delete. This is an unnecessary layer that adds nothing helpful for navigation. It was created by a user who is now blocked. –
FayenaticLondon 20:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. --
Privybst (
talk) 07:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:New Thought schools
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Category:Local political office-holders in Nigeria by state
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The result of the discussion was:Merge/delete per nomination. –
FayenaticLondon 11:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support in principle but many of these need to be merged into the first target
Category:Former populated places in Ukraine. I sampled two cases, one was in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, but that is not a subcat. Another is in submerged places in Ukraine, which is also not a subcat. Either these categories explaining reasons for depopulation need to be in
Category:Former populated places in Ukraine or the deletions need to be replaced by mergers to that. I do not mine which.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 16:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Qwerfjkltalk 08:51, 29 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗plicit 13:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
For clarification,
User:Peterkingiron and I agree on the fact that the content should stay in the tree of
Category:Former populated places in Ukraine. My point is just that they do so anyway in the cases where I proposed deletion. If there remains doubt about that then just merge instead of delete.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Question to @
Marcocapelle: are you intentionally excluding the contents from also being merged to the second parent "History of XXX Oblast" in each case? –
FayenaticLondon 20:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Former populated places categories surely belong in a history tree, but for articles about former populated places it is less intuitive to me. I would not strongly object though.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Submerged settlements in Ukraine
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Comment -- Are we sure that the potential population is only 3? Sunken cities (see nom above) has loads of potential members for a US sibling category.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 16:37, 21 August 2022 (UTC)reply
US should be the first country to have an own subcategory, not Ukraine.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 17:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)reply
There's no race to be "first". If you can defend the US having a subcategory, then any other country can automatically have a subcategory too the moment somebody deigns to create one. If any exist at all, then all are fair game, and there's no "the US must be first" rule.
Bearcat (
talk) 13:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
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Qwerfjkltalk 08:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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✗plicit 13:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. There are more than enough articles about US settlements in the parent category to justify a subcategory for the US the moment anybody deigns to take on the job of creating one, and a category for the Netherlands would also be entirely possible to construct from
List of settlements lost to floods in the Netherlands even though not everything in that list has actually been added to this category at all — and even so, it's already not at all true that there are no other subcategories by country: while it isn't named "Submerged settlements in Canada", the subcategory for
Category:The Lost Villages is a Canadian-exclusive category that could potentially be renamed to
Category:Submerged settlements in Canada (or alternatively kept as a subcategory of one if it's possible to identify other submerged settlements outside of Stormont County). And for added bonus, scratch what I said about "the moment anybody deigns to take on the job" of creating a US subcategory, because I just did the deed.
Bearcat (
talk) 12:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)reply
It is nice to have a discussion about other countries but the nomination was just about Ukraine.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)reply
And your "argument", such as it was, was precisely that no other by-country subcategories existed yet — and therefore the potential or actual existence of other by-country subcategories is 100 per cent germane to the discussion. How else is anybody supposed to discuss the nomination at all if we're not allowed to address the substance of what you said?
Bearcat (
talk) 13:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Ok, I should have phrased that differently. The intention behind that comment was that the smallcat exception rule does not apply.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 18:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:New Thought terminology
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Nominator's rationale:merge, original New Thought terms (if there are any) can better be put in
Category:New Thought beliefs. This list mostly contains general spiritual and esotheric terms.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge per nomination. Also
WP:OVERCAT, that category currently only contains one list article, with slim chances of adding any more.
Storchy (
talk) 12:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support per above. --
Privybst (
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Category:New Thought movement
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Nominator's rationale:New Thought is itself a movement, so this child category is redundant, and makes it harder to find sub-categories.
Storchy (
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Category:Films about the Sri Lankan Civil War
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. Kailash29792(talk) 03:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge The categories are similar in scope, and the former is consistent with the established naming convention for works by topic. –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 04:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
There is a difference in the naming styles. There are more films where the Civil War is not the main focus but still a key plot point, like Thenali. Don't make this like the debate over
Die Hard's status as a Christmas film. Kailash29792(talk) 04:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge per LaundryPizza03 and purge films for which the war is not a defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deniers of Japanese war crimes
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Nominator's rationale: WP:OPINIONCAT and WP:CONTENTIOUSLABEL. Deniers of the Uyghur genocide category was also deleted with a similar line of reasoning.
Madame Necker (
talk) 01:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete, just having an opinion is not a basis for categorization. I would not oppose a category for "denial activists", at least in theory, but most people in this category would not belong there.
Nobukatsu Fujioka has been put in
Category:Historical negationism and that seems alright.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:59, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
It seems we have local consensus either in the earlier discussion or here. Procedurally it is probably useful to start the group nomination again with all editors of both discussions involved.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not a basis for categorization. Sometimes subjective and certainly open to change.
Doczilla@SUPERHEROLOGIST 18:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. If sufficient RS describe them as such this should not be a labeling issue. Andre🚐 18:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per Marcocapelle. But I would not oppose a category for "denial activists". --
Privybst (
talk) 09:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)reply
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