October 28
Category:Companies' terms of service
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Category:Golden ages (metaphor)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Golden ages (metaphor)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. There is no connection between these subjects except that they are named “golden age of X”. -- 2001:16A2:EA0C:C701:FCC2:13D3:F1D7:88F6 ( talk) 15:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, there is a connection, these are periods considered the apotheosis in the history of a country or people. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, on the basis of 'Golden age' being a description not a name, for the articles categorised here. If these subjects are verifiably 'golden ages' then it seems fair to categorise them together. Sionk ( talk) 20:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Murree Tehsil
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Category:Tehsils of Murree District
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:30, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Tehsils of Murree District to Category:Tehsils of Punjab, Pakistan and Category:Murree District
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, there are only two tehsils in Murree District.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Dear @
Marcocapelle this category is just for administrative purpose, I mean for showing administrative division of district. It should keep seprate.
AAonlyA (
talk) 14:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- They are perfectly fine in the parent category, it makes no sense to create an intermediate category layer with so little content. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Dear @
Marcocapelle this category is just for administrative purpose, I mean for showing administrative division of district. It should keep seprate.
AAonlyA (
talk) 14:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 10:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Bangladeshi Sufi saints
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 17:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi Sufi saints to Category:Bengali Sufi saints
- Nominator's rationale: rename and reparent, Bangladesh did not exist yet when these Sufi saints lived. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The rationale is that they were not revered during their lifetime but after their deaths. Most of them are revered exclusively in Bangladesh, and many only in the specific districts in which they preached Islam. Many of these people were ethnic Arabs or non-Bengali and had very little to no following in West Bengal. Which is why I think Bangladeshi Sufi saints makes sense as they are saints to Bangladeshis. While you are right, the national state did not exist, the people, and the land did. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 21:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Support but it should be Category:Bengali Sufi saints, reflecting the political situation of their time. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, I fixed the nomination accordingly. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Crown Courts
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Category:Afro-Arab peoples
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Businesspeople by ethnicity
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Ayyubid historians
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer as it is the only subcategory of Category:Historians from the Ayyubid Sultanate. For most articles a dual merge is not applicable because they are already in Category:13th-century Egyptian historians or Category:13th-century Syrian historians. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Maghrawa
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: soft delete per WP:SMALLCAT, it contains only 2 articles that are already directly interlinked. I purged two articles that were not about the period described in Maghrawa or not about this region. No objection to recreate the category when a decent number of articles is really about this topic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Prussian provinces
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Province of Brandenburg
- Propose deleting Category:Province of Hohenzollern
- Propose deleting Category:Province of Saxony
- Nominator's rationale: soft delete per WP:SMALLCAT, they only contain the main article and a people subcategory. No objection to recreation when enough articles are available. Note that 13 other Prussian provinces also do not have a category of their own. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. 🌊PacificDepths talk| contrib 04:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Editor's pronouns templates
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UK Judges
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Winchester College to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Winchester College [1266]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Rugby School to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Rugby School [929]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Charterhouse School to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Charterhouse School [898]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at St Paul's School, London to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at St Paul's School, London [474]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College [328]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Radley College to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Radley College [268]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at King's College School, London to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at King's College School, London [220]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at the City of London School to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at the City of London School [173]
- Nominator's rationale: - these have all been created and populated in the last few hours by Rathfelder, despite ongoing related cfds. There has been as yet no consensus expressed for the existence of this type of category ('occupation' and 'secondary school'). The number in square brackets is the number of articles for the school: eg Category:People educated at the City of London School has 173 articles. The argument for Eton (5000 articles), that the category was so large that a subcat scheme was necessary, does not hold for all these. (There is my opinion no reason to subcategorise large categories unless there is compelling justification for the subcategories, not the case here: Law is not a subject taught at secondary school and so the decision to enter the legal profession was nothing to do with the school.) Oculi ( talk) 00:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support as nom.
Oculi (
talk) 00:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note that Charterhouse has a comprehensive list at List of Old Carthusians#Judges, barristers, and lawyers; Rugby has List of Old Rugbeians#The Law and Haileybury has List of people educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College#Law. Oculi ( talk)
- Support per nom. Johnbod ( talk) 01:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge back, I can see that some targets are too large but a by-century split would be far more natural than a split by a later occupation that people did not have yet when they were at this school. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep A large majority of British judges are educated at public schools - even today - and this formative experience is considerebly more significant than where they were born. Judges are already split by century.Bigwig7 ( talk) 16:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC) Stike duplicate !vote by sock. Girth Summit (blether) 10:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep As Public school (United Kingdom) tells us: The Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission 2014 study of the professions found 71% of senior judges, 62% of senior armed forces officers, 55% of Whitehall permanent secretaries and 50% of members of the House of Lords had been educated at fee-charging schools. Rathfelder ( talk) 19:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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October 28
Category:Companies' terms of service
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Category:Golden ages (metaphor)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Golden ages (metaphor)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. There is no connection between these subjects except that they are named “golden age of X”. -- 2001:16A2:EA0C:C701:FCC2:13D3:F1D7:88F6 ( talk) 15:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, there is a connection, these are periods considered the apotheosis in the history of a country or people. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, on the basis of 'Golden age' being a description not a name, for the articles categorised here. If these subjects are verifiably 'golden ages' then it seems fair to categorise them together. Sionk ( talk) 20:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Murree Tehsil
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Category:Tehsils of Murree District
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:30, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Tehsils of Murree District to Category:Tehsils of Punjab, Pakistan and Category:Murree District
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, there are only two tehsils in Murree District.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Dear @
Marcocapelle this category is just for administrative purpose, I mean for showing administrative division of district. It should keep seprate.
AAonlyA (
talk) 14:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- They are perfectly fine in the parent category, it makes no sense to create an intermediate category layer with so little content. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Dear @
Marcocapelle this category is just for administrative purpose, I mean for showing administrative division of district. It should keep seprate.
AAonlyA (
talk) 14:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 10:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Bangladeshi Sufi saints
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 17:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi Sufi saints to Category:Bengali Sufi saints
- Nominator's rationale: rename and reparent, Bangladesh did not exist yet when these Sufi saints lived. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The rationale is that they were not revered during their lifetime but after their deaths. Most of them are revered exclusively in Bangladesh, and many only in the specific districts in which they preached Islam. Many of these people were ethnic Arabs or non-Bengali and had very little to no following in West Bengal. Which is why I think Bangladeshi Sufi saints makes sense as they are saints to Bangladeshis. While you are right, the national state did not exist, the people, and the land did. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 21:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:15, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support but it should be Category:Bengali Sufi saints, reflecting the political situation of their time. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, I fixed the nomination accordingly. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Crown Courts
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Category:Afro-Arab peoples
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 5#Category:Afro-Arab peoples
Businesspeople by ethnicity
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 5#Businesspeople by ethnicity
Ayyubid historians
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer as it is the only subcategory of Category:Historians from the Ayyubid Sultanate. For most articles a dual merge is not applicable because they are already in Category:13th-century Egyptian historians or Category:13th-century Syrian historians. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Maghrawa
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: soft delete per WP:SMALLCAT, it contains only 2 articles that are already directly interlinked. I purged two articles that were not about the period described in Maghrawa or not about this region. No objection to recreate the category when a decent number of articles is really about this topic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Prussian provinces
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Province of Brandenburg
- Propose deleting Category:Province of Hohenzollern
- Propose deleting Category:Province of Saxony
- Nominator's rationale: soft delete per WP:SMALLCAT, they only contain the main article and a people subcategory. No objection to recreation when enough articles are available. Note that 13 other Prussian provinces also do not have a category of their own. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. 🌊PacificDepths talk| contrib 04:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Editor's pronouns templates
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UK Judges
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk 16:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Winchester College to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Winchester College [1266]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Rugby School to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Rugby School [929]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Charterhouse School to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Charterhouse School [898]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at St Paul's School, London to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at St Paul's School, London [474]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College [328]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at Radley College to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at Radley College [268]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at King's College School, London to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at King's College School, London [220]
- Upmerge Category:Judges educated at the City of London School to Category:Judges educated at British public schools and Category:People educated at the City of London School [173]
- Nominator's rationale: - these have all been created and populated in the last few hours by Rathfelder, despite ongoing related cfds. There has been as yet no consensus expressed for the existence of this type of category ('occupation' and 'secondary school'). The number in square brackets is the number of articles for the school: eg Category:People educated at the City of London School has 173 articles. The argument for Eton (5000 articles), that the category was so large that a subcat scheme was necessary, does not hold for all these. (There is my opinion no reason to subcategorise large categories unless there is compelling justification for the subcategories, not the case here: Law is not a subject taught at secondary school and so the decision to enter the legal profession was nothing to do with the school.) Oculi ( talk) 00:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support as nom.
Oculi (
talk) 00:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note that Charterhouse has a comprehensive list at List of Old Carthusians#Judges, barristers, and lawyers; Rugby has List of Old Rugbeians#The Law and Haileybury has List of people educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College#Law. Oculi ( talk)
- Support per nom. Johnbod ( talk) 01:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge back, I can see that some targets are too large but a by-century split would be far more natural than a split by a later occupation that people did not have yet when they were at this school. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep A large majority of British judges are educated at public schools - even today - and this formative experience is considerebly more significant than where they were born. Judges are already split by century.Bigwig7 ( talk) 16:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC) Stike duplicate !vote by sock. Girth Summit (blether) 10:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)- Keep As Public school (United Kingdom) tells us: The Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission 2014 study of the professions found 71% of senior judges, 62% of senior armed forces officers, 55% of Whitehall permanent secretaries and 50% of members of the House of Lords had been educated at fee-charging schools. Rathfelder ( talk) 19:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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