October 17
Category:Uniclinic Atlético Clube players
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: rename. This CFD should have been closed speedily; it is strange that it has been left open for so long. The old category will be redirected per
WP:Category redirects that should be kept. –
Fayenatic
London 17:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Uniclinic Atlético Clube players to Category:FC Atlético Cearense players
- Nominator's rationale: Club changed name, matching article name format. BRDude70 ( talk) 22:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 11:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom and CFDS C2D. Giant Snowman 11:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. No Great Shaker ( talk) 13:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rename per nom and C2D. -- Just N. ( talk) 15:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Rich Farmbrough's Dictionary of National Biography contributor templates
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. I have listed the contents at User:Rich Farmbrough/DNB/Contributor templates, along with the 2011 text from the category page which stated that the templates are a temporary phenomenon to be deleted once the import is complete. – Fayenatic London 17:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: No need to categorise userpages. WOSlinker ( talk) 19:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Anybody who can explain why this "tracking" category has been made? I just don't perceive any serious usability. Explainable? Has it lost or has it still got any usefulness?? -- Just N. ( talk) 15:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Listify as a user page then delete -- The old Dictionary of National Biography apparently had initials (rather than names) for the contributors. This appears be a tool for Rich Farmbrough's research to apply their names to articles. This may be of use to him; I do not know. However, it should not be a category in main space. This refers to the old DNB (replaced by Oxford DNB, published 2004). The old DNB is now out of copyright so that it is available in Wikisource, whereas access to Oxford DNB is restricted, by a need to log in. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, the user has been indefinitely blocked. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is clearly a personal userspace category, which there is near-unanimous precedent against having. Oppose listifying to userspace, because the same list is already available via Special:PrefixIndex/User:Rich Farmbrough/DNB * Pppery * it has begun... 00:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Templates for general use
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- The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. this may be reversed if someone finds that it is useful after all. – Fayenatic London 16:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category is added by the use of Template:Template rating. Once a template is ready for general use, there shouldn't be any need to categorise it in this way. WOSlinker ( talk) 18:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Songs written by Mike Leeson
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 25#Category:Songs written by Mike Leeson
Category:Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 23:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains essentially dozens of redirects, for example Falcon 9 flight 33, which all point to the same page: List of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches. Looks useless. Falcon rocket launches are already well-categorized under Category:Spacecraft launched by Falcon rockets which includes Category:SpaceX commercial payloads, Category:SpaceX military payloads and Category:SpaceX payloads contracted by NASA. — JFG talk 14:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:FlightTime's custom templates & sub-categories
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete
WOSlinker (
talk) 11:36, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom user scripts ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom userboxes ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom warnings ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's userfied pages ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: No need to categorise userpages.
WOSlinker (
talk) 09:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ WOSlinker: Just go ahead and delete the pages, I cannot think of any rational that would save them. - FlightTime ( open channel) 16:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Ethnic enclaves in Australia
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. For the record, it currently contains Category:Chinatowns in Australia, Category:Little Italys in Australia, Greek Precinct, Melbourne, Malay Kampong Group and Thai Town, Sydney. – Fayenatic London 08:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure which policy is most relevant but these aren't ethnic enclaves in Australia. Australia doesn't really have ethnic enclaves, it has areas with higher proportions of migrants of various ethnicities, precincts of cultural establishments, majority-Malay external territories, and Aboriginal Australian communities which aren't described as ethnic enclaves. This category is not fit-for-purpose. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 04:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This argument could apply to several other countries which have similar sub-categories. I think it depends on how literally the term " ethnic enclave" is taken. Does it mean an official designation of some kind or is it just a loosely used expression for an area that has a large number of residents with common ethnic origin? No Great Shaker ( talk) 07:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It certainly looks as if
Chinatown, Melbourne and
Chinatown, Sydney qualify to some extent, as do some of the historic sites. The term is a little subjective, though, as No Great Shaker suggests.
Grutness...
wha? 14:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Those aren't ethnic enclaves though. They are city precincts which have a high concentration of Chinese commercial establishments, like restaurants. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 02:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- The category needs a headnote defining its scope. In some countries there is a tendency for immigrants from a particular country to choose to settle in an area where there are others of their (expatriate) ethnicity. In many cases this will mean that a high proportion of the population is of that ethnicity. In strict terms this is not an enclave, but does any one have a better term for it?
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- The only other term which springs to mind is ghetto but that has other, negative connotations and is also problematic for historic reasons. Grutness... wha? 00:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- There are areas with high proportions of immigrants in Australia, but these aren't of one particular ethnicity. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 02:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the WP article on Ethnic enclave is primarily from a US point of view. In my opinion, the term enclave has a negative connotation in Australia. There may be a better term to use than "Ethnic enclave". LibStar ( talk) 02:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Do not delete, no objection to renaming, these areas are clearly defined by immigrant culture. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I dont much like the Category:Ethnic enclaves, but I cant see why we should remove this country and leave all the others. Rathfelder ( talk) 15:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- The category needs a headnote defining its scope as Peterkingiron annotated. -- Just N. ( talk) 16:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Multi-level marketing companies based in Utah
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- The result of the discussion was: keep but remove table ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is really a subject for speedy deletion but is there anyone out there who wants to explain how this is not how categories are created? It is a list. OK, best just to look at it.
Doprendek (
talk) 01:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Last I saw that category page, it was not a list. It was a category with article entries, and was a child category of two other relevant parent categories. I do know that Utah is known for having an unusually high concentration of local MLM companies. I can't comment on whether or not this category should be deleted on its merits as a category, but the list is not the category but appears to be a later addition. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 05:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep but remove the list which was added this year by a new(-ish) editor. No Great Shaker ( talk) 06:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Belated keep. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 08:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- but delete or articlise the table, which is an article in category space. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep but remove the table. Oculi ( talk) 19:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep but remove the table. -- Just N. ( talk) 16:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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October 17
Category:Uniclinic Atlético Clube players
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: rename. This CFD should have been closed speedily; it is strange that it has been left open for so long. The old category will be redirected per
WP:Category redirects that should be kept. –
Fayenatic
London 17:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Uniclinic Atlético Clube players to Category:FC Atlético Cearense players
- Nominator's rationale: Club changed name, matching article name format. BRDude70 ( talk) 22:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 11:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom and CFDS C2D. Giant Snowman 11:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. No Great Shaker ( talk) 13:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rename per nom and C2D. -- Just N. ( talk) 15:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Rich Farmbrough's Dictionary of National Biography contributor templates
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete. I have listed the contents at User:Rich Farmbrough/DNB/Contributor templates, along with the 2011 text from the category page which stated that the templates are a temporary phenomenon to be deleted once the import is complete. – Fayenatic London 17:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: No need to categorise userpages. WOSlinker ( talk) 19:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Anybody who can explain why this "tracking" category has been made? I just don't perceive any serious usability. Explainable? Has it lost or has it still got any usefulness?? -- Just N. ( talk) 15:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Listify as a user page then delete -- The old Dictionary of National Biography apparently had initials (rather than names) for the contributors. This appears be a tool for Rich Farmbrough's research to apply their names to articles. This may be of use to him; I do not know. However, it should not be a category in main space. This refers to the old DNB (replaced by Oxford DNB, published 2004). The old DNB is now out of copyright so that it is available in Wikisource, whereas access to Oxford DNB is restricted, by a need to log in. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, the user has been indefinitely blocked. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is clearly a personal userspace category, which there is near-unanimous precedent against having. Oppose listifying to userspace, because the same list is already available via Special:PrefixIndex/User:Rich Farmbrough/DNB * Pppery * it has begun... 00:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Templates for general use
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. this may be reversed if someone finds that it is useful after all. – Fayenatic London 16:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category is added by the use of Template:Template rating. Once a template is ready for general use, there shouldn't be any need to categorise it in this way. WOSlinker ( talk) 18:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Songs written by Mike Leeson
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 25#Category:Songs written by Mike Leeson
Category:Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 23:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains essentially dozens of redirects, for example Falcon 9 flight 33, which all point to the same page: List of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches. Looks useless. Falcon rocket launches are already well-categorized under Category:Spacecraft launched by Falcon rockets which includes Category:SpaceX commercial payloads, Category:SpaceX military payloads and Category:SpaceX payloads contracted by NASA. — JFG talk 14:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:FlightTime's custom templates & sub-categories
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete
WOSlinker (
talk) 11:36, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom user scripts ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom userboxes ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's custom warnings ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FlightTime's userfied pages ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: No need to categorise userpages.
WOSlinker (
talk) 09:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ WOSlinker: Just go ahead and delete the pages, I cannot think of any rational that would save them. - FlightTime ( open channel) 16:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Ethnic enclaves in Australia
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: keep. For the record, it currently contains Category:Chinatowns in Australia, Category:Little Italys in Australia, Greek Precinct, Melbourne, Malay Kampong Group and Thai Town, Sydney. – Fayenatic London 08:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure which policy is most relevant but these aren't ethnic enclaves in Australia. Australia doesn't really have ethnic enclaves, it has areas with higher proportions of migrants of various ethnicities, precincts of cultural establishments, majority-Malay external territories, and Aboriginal Australian communities which aren't described as ethnic enclaves. This category is not fit-for-purpose. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 04:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This argument could apply to several other countries which have similar sub-categories. I think it depends on how literally the term " ethnic enclave" is taken. Does it mean an official designation of some kind or is it just a loosely used expression for an area that has a large number of residents with common ethnic origin? No Great Shaker ( talk) 07:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It certainly looks as if
Chinatown, Melbourne and
Chinatown, Sydney qualify to some extent, as do some of the historic sites. The term is a little subjective, though, as No Great Shaker suggests.
Grutness...
wha? 14:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Those aren't ethnic enclaves though. They are city precincts which have a high concentration of Chinese commercial establishments, like restaurants. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 02:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- The category needs a headnote defining its scope. In some countries there is a tendency for immigrants from a particular country to choose to settle in an area where there are others of their (expatriate) ethnicity. In many cases this will mean that a high proportion of the population is of that ethnicity. In strict terms this is not an enclave, but does any one have a better term for it?
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- The only other term which springs to mind is ghetto but that has other, negative connotations and is also problematic for historic reasons. Grutness... wha? 00:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- There are areas with high proportions of immigrants in Australia, but these aren't of one particular ethnicity. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 02:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the WP article on Ethnic enclave is primarily from a US point of view. In my opinion, the term enclave has a negative connotation in Australia. There may be a better term to use than "Ethnic enclave". LibStar ( talk) 02:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Do not delete, no objection to renaming, these areas are clearly defined by immigrant culture. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I dont much like the Category:Ethnic enclaves, but I cant see why we should remove this country and leave all the others. Rathfelder ( talk) 15:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- The category needs a headnote defining its scope as Peterkingiron annotated. -- Just N. ( talk) 16:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Multi-level marketing companies based in Utah
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: keep but remove table ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is really a subject for speedy deletion but is there anyone out there who wants to explain how this is not how categories are created? It is a list. OK, best just to look at it.
Doprendek (
talk) 01:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Last I saw that category page, it was not a list. It was a category with article entries, and was a child category of two other relevant parent categories. I do know that Utah is known for having an unusually high concentration of local MLM companies. I can't comment on whether or not this category should be deleted on its merits as a category, but the list is not the category but appears to be a later addition. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 05:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep but remove the list which was added this year by a new(-ish) editor. No Great Shaker ( talk) 06:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Belated keep. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 08:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- but delete or articlise the table, which is an article in category space. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep but remove the table. Oculi ( talk) 19:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep but remove the table. -- Just N. ( talk) 16:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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