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Nominator's rationale: I'd like to understand the Wikipedia category system but there is this part of it which confuses me and i havn't found an explanation. There is the category tree "<Topic> by *Time*" and "*Time* by <Topic>", yet for me they are all the same! The two given cats are just examples, you can compare several others:
Category:Years in science is a subcat of BOTH
Category:Categories by year as well as
Category:Years by topic. It makes no difference if i say "At that TIME, on that TOPIC, we have this content" or "On that TOPIC, at that TIME, we have this content". As i see things, one of these category trees is too much and could be deleted, as these two have the same function.
068129201223129O9598127 (
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Support These categories are serving the same purpose. That's not the case for the rest of the structure as I can see different purposes are being served (although on the surface it's a subtle difference). Comparing
Category:Years in sport and
Category:Sports by year makes it quite obvious.
SFB 18:24, 12 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Monasteries of canonesses regular
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Usage in the main article
Canonesses Regular, which is a redirect target, is both words are capitalized. Not doing as a speedy since I don't know which is correct. Also if renamed, some articles probably need to be removed since it is not clear that they really fall into this grouping. Then there is a question from some articles about how defining this is, so deletion is potentially on the table.
Vegaswikian (
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Support To me that would be the correct format.
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Colorado Territory
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Nominator's rationale: Categories should be historically accurate, and Colorado Territory existed from 1861-(August) 1876. Some of the 1876/1870s members should be split manually. Depending on the outcome of
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Category:1861 establishments in the Colorado Territory, etc. Kennethaw88 •
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Support I created a bunch of these for
Washington Territory. You'll also need to create
the parent, event by year and years in terrority and populate that joy. --
Ricky81682 (
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Support, but to in the as proper English.
Vegaswikian (
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Rename per nom. Use of a "the" is not necessary when referring to U.S. territories. You'll find them referred to both with and without the the" in running text in sources.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:06, 20 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. There is no reason to use "the", it is pretensious sounding and not common practice in English. Use of "the" before any place name is becoming less common. Historically "the" plus "place name" plus "territory" was not a reference to the formal government territories we are invoking here, but to much fuzzier areas that Anglo-American settlers were moving to in their western migration. In fact, I would argue that "the Colorado Territory" sounds like an invocation of the common speech of those rushing to the gold mines in 1870. Common name does not mean we use the wording preferred by the speakers in a place at a given time, it means we use the wording most often used in reliable sources published on the subject today. Those will generally not use the before Colorado Territory.
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Category:Toxic metal poisoning
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The result of the discussion was:merge to
Category:Toxic effects of metals.
Bluerasberry, I acknowledge that there is a backlog and that you have acted in good faith, but please do not prejudge CfD discussions by emptying categories before closure; this is considered "out of process", and makes it harder for editors or closers to assess the proposals and arguments. –
FayenaticLondon 21:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: "Toxic metal" is not a real term. If metal poisons, then it is toxic, so just saying "metal poisoning" is enough and to add "toxic" to that is redundant. I searched PubMed and it seems that "toxic metal poisoning" is not something described in literature.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
rename unless we're willing to have "non-toxic metal poisoning".
Mangoe (
talk) 13:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Commentmetal poisoning does not seem to cover light metals like calcium, but which are metals. "metal poisoning" gives
129k ghits while "heavy metal poisoning" gives
494k ghits so the "topic article" does not seem to actually cover the scope of the nominal topic, as beryllium, etc are not covered in it. --
65.94.171.126 (
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comment We actually have two candidate main articles, the second being
metal toxicity. Probably they ought to be merged.
Mangoe (
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Comment It is a reasonable proposal to merge "metal toxicity" and "metal poisoning", as they are similar. It is also reasonable to keep them apart, because the field of expertise studying toxicity is likely to be chemistry and for poisoning it is likely to be medicine, and there is not so much professional overlap. If there is a merge, I would propose that it be to "metal poisoning" because there is already a family of "metal poisoning" articles using that name and because there are standardized medical identification codes for various types of poisonings, and probably no such standardized coding for toxicity. I do not have any strong opinion about the outcome for this.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Question. If there is interest in merging the articles, is there also interest in merging the sibling category
Category:Dietary mineral toxicity (which contains both poisonings and toxicities)? Kennethaw88 •
talk 14:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:University of Puerto Rico system
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Nominator's rationale: I see that this was once speedied and opposed for some reason, so I'm taking it here. There is no need for the word "system." Main article
University of Puerto Rico says it's a "system" in the lead, just as
University of California does. Again, I really do think it's a C2D, but I can't see what the opposition at CFDS was for.
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Category:Matsu Takako albums
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SUR, names of all Japanese people born after 1885 should follow the FirstName SecondName format. Matsu is the artist's second name and Takako her first, so the category should be Takako Matsu albums.
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Category:Caraş-Severin County geography stubs
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. All articles moved to the correctly named category. There is no reason to keep this soft-redirect stub category. The template will direct articles to the proper category.
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Category:Tunceli Province geography stubs
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. See
Dersim Province#History. As of March of this year, the Turkish government renamed this province. All articles have been moved to
Category:Dersim Province geography stubs, and there is no reason to keep a stub category under the historic name.
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Category:Aghlabid emirs
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Nominator's rationale: The "Aghlabid emirs" were emirs of/in Ifriqiya as successors to the caliph-appointed governors, not emirs "of the Aghlabids".
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Category:Sikh Gems
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Nominator's rationale: Being a "Gem" is not a defining characteristics of the people listed in this cat. It is not some kind of official award or recognition by some authority. Most of the source are those which mirror wikipedia content. Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 05:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete If this is to be a category, the designation "Sikh Gem" would need to be proven to exist, which it has not been.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
delete Wow, this has been around since 2008. CFD denizens, you're slacking! Completely unsourced, I have no idea what a Sikh gem is or how someone becomes one. Unless some significant sourcing can be provided and a head article conceivably written, delete.--
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
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Delete It appears to be a very subjective collection of who edited which Wikipedia bio and added this category. Surprised it stayed on here for so long, and the inconsistency shows. —
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Category:Citizens for European Development of Bulgaria politicians
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The result of the discussion was:rename. –
FayenaticLondon 21:52, 14 July 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm fixing a broken nomination originally placed at redirects for discussion. I have no opinion personally. Original rationale: "Also this should be removed, article was moved to Category:GERB politicians". I don't know who nominated as it was not signed.
Ego White Tray (
talk) 04:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. If the
move discussion at the article is successful and the article becomes
GERB, then I have no problem in supporting the category rename. Perhaps this proposal should be closed for the time being and we should follow whatever the result is in that discussion.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 05:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Support. Since the article about the party has been moved to
GERB, I now support the proposal per my comments above.
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Nominator's rationale: I'd like to understand the Wikipedia category system but there is this part of it which confuses me and i havn't found an explanation. There is the category tree "<Topic> by *Time*" and "*Time* by <Topic>", yet for me they are all the same! The two given cats are just examples, you can compare several others:
Category:Years in science is a subcat of BOTH
Category:Categories by year as well as
Category:Years by topic. It makes no difference if i say "At that TIME, on that TOPIC, we have this content" or "On that TOPIC, at that TIME, we have this content". As i see things, one of these category trees is too much and could be deleted, as these two have the same function.
068129201223129O9598127 (
talk) 22:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Support These categories are serving the same purpose. That's not the case for the rest of the structure as I can see different purposes are being served (although on the surface it's a subtle difference). Comparing
Category:Years in sport and
Category:Sports by year makes it quite obvious.
SFB 18:24, 12 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Monasteries of canonesses regular
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Usage in the main article
Canonesses Regular, which is a redirect target, is both words are capitalized. Not doing as a speedy since I don't know which is correct. Also if renamed, some articles probably need to be removed since it is not clear that they really fall into this grouping. Then there is a question from some articles about how defining this is, so deletion is potentially on the table.
Vegaswikian (
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Support To me that would be the correct format.
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Colorado Territory
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Nominator's rationale: Categories should be historically accurate, and Colorado Territory existed from 1861-(August) 1876. Some of the 1876/1870s members should be split manually. Depending on the outcome of
this discussion, these might need to be renamed
Category:1861 establishments in the Colorado Territory, etc. Kennethaw88 •
talk 18:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Support I created a bunch of these for
Washington Territory. You'll also need to create
the parent, event by year and years in terrority and populate that joy. --
Ricky81682 (
talk) 06:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Support, but to in the as proper English.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 16:21, 18 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Use of a "the" is not necessary when referring to U.S. territories. You'll find them referred to both with and without the the" in running text in sources.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:06, 20 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. There is no reason to use "the", it is pretensious sounding and not common practice in English. Use of "the" before any place name is becoming less common. Historically "the" plus "place name" plus "territory" was not a reference to the formal government territories we are invoking here, but to much fuzzier areas that Anglo-American settlers were moving to in their western migration. In fact, I would argue that "the Colorado Territory" sounds like an invocation of the common speech of those rushing to the gold mines in 1870. Common name does not mean we use the wording preferred by the speakers in a place at a given time, it means we use the wording most often used in reliable sources published on the subject today. Those will generally not use the before Colorado Territory.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Toxic metal poisoning
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The result of the discussion was:merge to
Category:Toxic effects of metals.
Bluerasberry, I acknowledge that there is a backlog and that you have acted in good faith, but please do not prejudge CfD discussions by emptying categories before closure; this is considered "out of process", and makes it harder for editors or closers to assess the proposals and arguments. –
FayenaticLondon 21:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: "Toxic metal" is not a real term. If metal poisons, then it is toxic, so just saying "metal poisoning" is enough and to add "toxic" to that is redundant. I searched PubMed and it seems that "toxic metal poisoning" is not something described in literature.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
rename unless we're willing to have "non-toxic metal poisoning".
Mangoe (
talk) 13:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Commentmetal poisoning does not seem to cover light metals like calcium, but which are metals. "metal poisoning" gives
129k ghits while "heavy metal poisoning" gives
494k ghits so the "topic article" does not seem to actually cover the scope of the nominal topic, as beryllium, etc are not covered in it. --
65.94.171.126 (
talk) 06:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)reply
comment We actually have two candidate main articles, the second being
metal toxicity. Probably they ought to be merged.
Mangoe (
talk) 14:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment It is a reasonable proposal to merge "metal toxicity" and "metal poisoning", as they are similar. It is also reasonable to keep them apart, because the field of expertise studying toxicity is likely to be chemistry and for poisoning it is likely to be medicine, and there is not so much professional overlap. If there is a merge, I would propose that it be to "metal poisoning" because there is already a family of "metal poisoning" articles using that name and because there are standardized medical identification codes for various types of poisonings, and probably no such standardized coding for toxicity. I do not have any strong opinion about the outcome for this.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Question. If there is interest in merging the articles, is there also interest in merging the sibling category
Category:Dietary mineral toxicity (which contains both poisonings and toxicities)? Kennethaw88 •
talk 14:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:University of Puerto Rico system
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Nominator's rationale: I see that this was once speedied and opposed for some reason, so I'm taking it here. There is no need for the word "system." Main article
University of Puerto Rico says it's a "system" in the lead, just as
University of California does. Again, I really do think it's a C2D, but I can't see what the opposition at CFDS was for.
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WP:SUR, names of all Japanese people born after 1885 should follow the FirstName SecondName format. Matsu is the artist's second name and Takako her first, so the category should be Takako Matsu albums.
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. All articles moved to the correctly named category. There is no reason to keep this soft-redirect stub category. The template will direct articles to the proper category.
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. See
Dersim Province#History. As of March of this year, the Turkish government renamed this province. All articles have been moved to
Category:Dersim Province geography stubs, and there is no reason to keep a stub category under the historic name.
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Category:Aghlabid emirs
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Nominator's rationale: The "Aghlabid emirs" were emirs of/in Ifriqiya as successors to the caliph-appointed governors, not emirs "of the Aghlabids".
Constantine ✍ 08:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Sikh Gems
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Nominator's rationale: Being a "Gem" is not a defining characteristics of the people listed in this cat. It is not some kind of official award or recognition by some authority. Most of the source are those which mirror wikipedia content. Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 05:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete If this is to be a category, the designation "Sikh Gem" would need to be proven to exist, which it has not been.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
delete Wow, this has been around since 2008. CFD denizens, you're slacking! Completely unsourced, I have no idea what a Sikh gem is or how someone becomes one. Unless some significant sourcing can be provided and a head article conceivably written, delete.--
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
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Delete It appears to be a very subjective collection of who edited which Wikipedia bio and added this category. Surprised it stayed on here for so long, and the inconsistency shows. —
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The result of the discussion was:rename. –
FayenaticLondon 21:52, 14 July 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm fixing a broken nomination originally placed at redirects for discussion. I have no opinion personally. Original rationale: "Also this should be removed, article was moved to Category:GERB politicians". I don't know who nominated as it was not signed.
Ego White Tray (
talk) 04:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. If the
move discussion at the article is successful and the article becomes
GERB, then I have no problem in supporting the category rename. Perhaps this proposal should be closed for the time being and we should follow whatever the result is in that discussion.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 05:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)reply
Support. Since the article about the party has been moved to
GERB, I now support the proposal per my comments above.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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