July 1
Category:Antagonists of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 04:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category is excessively broad and imprecise in its definition, and presumably unlimited in time scope. (For instance: Would it include any country that ever fought a war against the United States? If so, why is United Kingdom not included for the War of 1812? The problematic nature of the category thus becomes obvious.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete hopelessly imprecise, subjective and simplistic. Diplomacy is a complex world with countless shades of grey and alliances change (Saddam Hussein wasn't always an enemy, the UK wasn't always a friend). Moreover this would be a highly US-centric way of categorizing articles. Of course we could balance this by creating similar categories for other countries but the clutter for articles like Nazism would be horrible. Pichpich ( talk) 01:07, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Keep There are categories for people and organizations opposed to zionism, communism, Islam and racists, why not against nations such as the United States? Nations like Iran and Venezuela are pretty much recognized as antagonists to the United States even if they not at war, why not a category to easily see who is / has been antagonists to US?
Redhanker (
talk) 13:18, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- It's much more subtle than this. I for one am not ready to say that Venezuela as a nation is an antagonist of the United States and I'm sure a whole bunch of Venezuelans would agree. Yes the current Venezuelan government is vociferously anti-American but even that fact doesn't tell the whole story since Chavez would probably argue that he's not anti-American but simply opposed to American imperialism. There's still a considerable amount of trade between the US and Venezuela, which certainly questions the antagonist tag. International relations is full of blurry lines and there's no way to objectively classify an entity as an antagonist. Pichpich ( talk) 17:58, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete, too subjective with POV issues. Kierzek ( talk) 17:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete: who haven't we antagonized? Mangoe ( talk) 18:31, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete the idea that we can include people or places that have never gone to war with the US removes any possible test of actual action from the category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- delete too vague/subject to POV. The nazi's weren't just antagonists of the US... -- KarlB ( talk) 14:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- delete as subjective. Any allocation to categories like this needs to be linked in some way to WP:RS. SamuelTheGhost ( talk) 12:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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G.I. Joe media
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- The result of the discussion was: keep.
The Bushranger
One ping only 00:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:G.I. Joe media to Category:G.I. Joe images
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. To be more in line with similar Wikipedia categories. All of the parent categories that include images of various G.I. Joe media, use the word "images" for their sub-categories instead of "media" In addition, all the sub-categories should be renamed accordingly:
- Category:G.I. Joe animated media to Category:G.I. Joe animated images
- Category:G.I. Joe comic media to Category:G.I. Joe comic images
- Category:G.I. Joe film media to Category:G.I. Joe film images
- Category:G.I. Joe toy media to Category:G.I. Joe toy images
- Category:G.I. Joe video game media to Category:G.I. Joe video game images
- Fortdj33 ( talk) 14:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Weak keep Presently, these are only images, but there is no reason why in principle you couldn't have audio, video, or some kind of document. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 18:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Mizo history
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger One ping only 00:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Redundant per Category:History of Mizoram. Brandmeister talk 12:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose a reading of the article on Mizo people will show that Mizo also live in Burma and Bangladesh as well as places in India beyond Mizoram. The history of the Mizo people is both longer and geographically more broad than the history of Mizoram. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Alta Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 04:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per this discussion, the "xxx Formula One drivers" categories are for drivers who drove for works teams. There never was a works Alta team. All the Altas entered in World Championship Grands Prix were privately owned. DH85868993 ( talk) 11:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Autodelta Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
The Bushranger
One ping only 04:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Autodelta Formula One drivers to Category:Alfa Romeo Formula One drivers
- Nominator's rationale: Autodelta was Alfa Romeo's competitions department, which ran the Formula One team, which was considered as the "Alfa Romeo" team. Also, Category:Autodelta Formula One drivers only contains 1 driver - all the other drivers who drove for the team from 1979-1985 are in Category:Alfa Romeo Formula One drivers. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:British Racing Partnership Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename - jc37 02:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not necessary to have the team name in full. Numerous similar categories use the abbreviated form of the team name, e.g. Category:AFM Formula One drivers, Category:AGS Formula One drivers, Category:BAR Formula One drivers, Category:BRM Formula One drivers, Category:ERA Formula One drivers, etc. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article is British Racing Partnership and the category should match it. Lugnuts ( talk) 13:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. C2D is not a straightjacket. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts argument. Acronyms are discoraged, and so when the article does not use an arconym for its naming, I see no reason to use acronyms in related category names. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Hersham and Walton Motors Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename - jc37 02:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not necessary to have the team name in full. Numerous similar categories use the abbreviated form of the team name, e.g. Category:AFM Formula One drivers, Category:AGS Formula One drivers, Category:BAR Formula One drivers, Category:BRM Formula One drivers, Category:ERA Formula One drivers, etc. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose the main article is Hersham and Walton Motors and the category should match it. Lugnuts ( talk) 13:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. C2D is not a straightjacket. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts. We generally discorage acronyms. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Casner Motor Racing Division Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 04:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: More appropriate to use the team's "common name", "Camoradi". DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Eagle Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
The Bushranger
One ping only 04:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Eagle Formula One drivers to Category:Anglo American Racers Formula One drivers
- Nominator's rationale: Now that drivers are categorised by team rather than constructor, this category should be renamed to reflect the team's name ( Anglo American Racers), rather than the name of the car ("Eagle"). DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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July 1
Category:Antagonists of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 04:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category is excessively broad and imprecise in its definition, and presumably unlimited in time scope. (For instance: Would it include any country that ever fought a war against the United States? If so, why is United Kingdom not included for the War of 1812? The problematic nature of the category thus becomes obvious.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete hopelessly imprecise, subjective and simplistic. Diplomacy is a complex world with countless shades of grey and alliances change (Saddam Hussein wasn't always an enemy, the UK wasn't always a friend). Moreover this would be a highly US-centric way of categorizing articles. Of course we could balance this by creating similar categories for other countries but the clutter for articles like Nazism would be horrible. Pichpich ( talk) 01:07, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Keep There are categories for people and organizations opposed to zionism, communism, Islam and racists, why not against nations such as the United States? Nations like Iran and Venezuela are pretty much recognized as antagonists to the United States even if they not at war, why not a category to easily see who is / has been antagonists to US?
Redhanker (
talk) 13:18, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- It's much more subtle than this. I for one am not ready to say that Venezuela as a nation is an antagonist of the United States and I'm sure a whole bunch of Venezuelans would agree. Yes the current Venezuelan government is vociferously anti-American but even that fact doesn't tell the whole story since Chavez would probably argue that he's not anti-American but simply opposed to American imperialism. There's still a considerable amount of trade between the US and Venezuela, which certainly questions the antagonist tag. International relations is full of blurry lines and there's no way to objectively classify an entity as an antagonist. Pichpich ( talk) 17:58, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete, too subjective with POV issues. Kierzek ( talk) 17:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete: who haven't we antagonized? Mangoe ( talk) 18:31, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete the idea that we can include people or places that have never gone to war with the US removes any possible test of actual action from the category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- delete too vague/subject to POV. The nazi's weren't just antagonists of the US... -- KarlB ( talk) 14:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- delete as subjective. Any allocation to categories like this needs to be linked in some way to WP:RS. SamuelTheGhost ( talk) 12:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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G.I. Joe media
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- The result of the discussion was: keep.
The Bushranger
One ping only 00:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:G.I. Joe media to Category:G.I. Joe images
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. To be more in line with similar Wikipedia categories. All of the parent categories that include images of various G.I. Joe media, use the word "images" for their sub-categories instead of "media" In addition, all the sub-categories should be renamed accordingly:
- Category:G.I. Joe animated media to Category:G.I. Joe animated images
- Category:G.I. Joe comic media to Category:G.I. Joe comic images
- Category:G.I. Joe film media to Category:G.I. Joe film images
- Category:G.I. Joe toy media to Category:G.I. Joe toy images
- Category:G.I. Joe video game media to Category:G.I. Joe video game images
- Fortdj33 ( talk) 14:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Weak keep Presently, these are only images, but there is no reason why in principle you couldn't have audio, video, or some kind of document. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 18:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Mizo history
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger One ping only 00:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Redundant per Category:History of Mizoram. Brandmeister talk 12:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose a reading of the article on Mizo people will show that Mizo also live in Burma and Bangladesh as well as places in India beyond Mizoram. The history of the Mizo people is both longer and geographically more broad than the history of Mizoram. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Alta Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 04:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per this discussion, the "xxx Formula One drivers" categories are for drivers who drove for works teams. There never was a works Alta team. All the Altas entered in World Championship Grands Prix were privately owned. DH85868993 ( talk) 11:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Autodelta Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
The Bushranger
One ping only 04:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Autodelta Formula One drivers to Category:Alfa Romeo Formula One drivers
- Nominator's rationale: Autodelta was Alfa Romeo's competitions department, which ran the Formula One team, which was considered as the "Alfa Romeo" team. Also, Category:Autodelta Formula One drivers only contains 1 driver - all the other drivers who drove for the team from 1979-1985 are in Category:Alfa Romeo Formula One drivers. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:British Racing Partnership Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename - jc37 02:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not necessary to have the team name in full. Numerous similar categories use the abbreviated form of the team name, e.g. Category:AFM Formula One drivers, Category:AGS Formula One drivers, Category:BAR Formula One drivers, Category:BRM Formula One drivers, Category:ERA Formula One drivers, etc. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article is British Racing Partnership and the category should match it. Lugnuts ( talk) 13:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. C2D is not a straightjacket. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts argument. Acronyms are discoraged, and so when the article does not use an arconym for its naming, I see no reason to use acronyms in related category names. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Hersham and Walton Motors Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename - jc37 02:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not necessary to have the team name in full. Numerous similar categories use the abbreviated form of the team name, e.g. Category:AFM Formula One drivers, Category:AGS Formula One drivers, Category:BAR Formula One drivers, Category:BRM Formula One drivers, Category:ERA Formula One drivers, etc. DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose the main article is Hersham and Walton Motors and the category should match it. Lugnuts ( talk) 13:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. C2D is not a straightjacket. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts. We generally discorage acronyms. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Casner Motor Racing Division Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 04:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: More appropriate to use the team's "common name", "Camoradi". DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Eagle Formula One drivers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
The Bushranger
One ping only 04:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Eagle Formula One drivers to Category:Anglo American Racers Formula One drivers
- Nominator's rationale: Now that drivers are categorised by team rather than constructor, this category should be renamed to reflect the team's name ( Anglo American Racers), rather than the name of the car ("Eagle"). DH85868993 ( talk) 10:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 11:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Kingjamie ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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