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The result was delete. Socking aside, there appears to be consensus that coverage is not sufficient at this time to demonstrate notability. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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This organization doesn't meet WP:GNG, WP:ORG and importantly WP:NGO. Out of 16 sources listed:
- 6 don't mention the organization
- 3 are pure listings
- 3 are primary sources like org's Instagram page, declared press release article, organization written article in user-generated content website
- 2 are same articles or sourced from same agency (TNN)
- The last 2 sources cover the cycling event organized and have 1 line each about the organization.
These sources don't provide significant coverage of the organization. Outside these sources also, there is nothing to indicate significant coverage and hence notability. Also entire page is written in PROMO style with a number of claims and works going uncited. Roller26 ( talk) 16:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Roller26 ( talk) 16:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Roller26 ( talk) 16:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: I have added valid references to this page from News18 India, Dainik Bhaskar and other news sources, still there is significant coverage of this topic, the organization is involved in multiple notable events like cycle campaign(most notable). I understand there are some sections which does not cite any sources, I think if no source is found we should simply remove those sections from WP but keep this article since it is more than just a dictionary definition. This article qualifies requirements for WP:ORG. Their are many celebrities linked with cases given by them to National Commission for Women which is also notable. Thank you -- Pratyush.shrivastava ( talk) 19:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin - the keep vote above is from the article's creator -- Roller26 ( talk) 23:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - I've cleaned up the article a bit (and have removed uncited parts). It needs work but meets notability requirements. The creator is new to wikipedia and I hope will learn the ropes quickly, we met at peer review. For me this passes WP:NGO and the "three best links" I would offer would be Times of India, The Indianness and Patrika. Mujinga ( talk) 21:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Mujinga, appreciate you mentoring a new user and showing them the ropes of WP. The above article is existentially dealing with 4 things : its founder Piyush Monga, cycle campaign, campaign of Youth Against Rape (YAR) and the NGO Youth Against Injustice Foundation (YAIF). The basic problem is what is the main thrust of the article and what is meeting the WP:GNG criteria. Both the earlier (pre-AfD tagged version) and later version (post-AfD tagged version) are seamlessly mixing all 4 parts in the article without making a clear distinction. For eg, the later added Controversy Section has nothing do with YAR or YAIF. Essentially in the article and in all the 5 sources added it seems to be the work of Yogita Bhayana from People Against Rape in India. Piyush Monga is just of one of the named parties in the defamation case, and I am not sure how that is relevant in the page of YAR (As we have to differentiate the campaign and organization from its founder). The three best links you provided me, essentially talk about the cycle campaign and make a passing reference to Youth Against Rape, which does not add up to significant coverage of Youth Against Rape (I also doubt that theindianness.com will qualify as Reliable source). The cycle campaign may qualify for WP:GNG but Youth Against Rape (or Piyush Moonga or YAIF) certainty don't at this stage. -- Roller26 ( talk) 23:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NORG and also lacks substantial coverage about the subject. Passing mentions and off-topic content does not count. ArvindPalaskar ( talk) 11:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: I have difficulty with references beyond the cycle campaign to establish WP:GNG. In spite of efforts to save this page - laudatory this campaign and efforts are - there is insufficient notablity. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 11:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Padavalam ► 16:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Padavalam ► 16:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete Non notable organization which has sure attracted some coverage but it is currently trivial. killer bee 14:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
::
@K6bee9 Please clear what are you exactly referring to,
WP:ORGDEPTH? For that I've added references in article please check them. You also used the word currently, if it is in the sense it does not qualify notability now and does earlier, please read
WP:NTEMP. Thank you --
Pratyush.shrivastava (
talk) 19:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC) Note: this user is blocked for socking.
*Keep per
WP:ORG,
WP:NGO and
WP:GNG. I came in search of this page and found this deletion discussion. I think there are enough sources to meet Wikipedia GNG I read all the comments and I think there were low sources earlier, but now I checked there are 31 sources out of which about 10 clearly are media coverage of bicycle tour.
Zerreat (
talk) 08:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Note: this user is blocked for socking.
- Note - Zerreat got blocked due to being a sockpuppet of Pratyush.shrivastava Roller26 ( talk) 00:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Zerreat, the issue with the article is though the cycle campaign has received coverage, The page's title is Youth against Rape which has not received significant coverage. The page in current form was mostly edited, cleaned and lot of references were added after the AfD tag on 30-August. It still has only 86 words in the total article of 359 words (in readable prose) amounting to less than 25% coverage for the cycle campaign. The article doesn't differentiate between its founder Piyush Monga, cycle campaign, campaign of Youth Against Rape (YAR) and the NGO Youth Against Injustice Foundation (YAIF) and covers all of them equally instead of passing mentions. The three other topics are clearly non-notable. I also doubt the notability of the cycle campaign for a stand alone article as per
WP:EVENTCRITERIA as lot of sources are essentially the same PR article.
Roller26 (
talk) 09:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- The main title for bicycle ride would also be Youth Against Rape. The content is also good, I don't have much idea about older version but currently this article seems to be very clear about each aspect as you mentioned them. As I checked article, we just have very little details of NGO which is quite good and acceptable. I also don't think founder Piyush Monga is mixed somewhere in this article as this is all about Youth Against Rape and he is just a name in this.
Zerreat (
talk) 14:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Zerreat, The entire infobox with significant information is about the NGO. Its founder Piyush Monga is involved in a controversy covers the statement in the leading paragraph and section of its own. The idea of the NGO and its history covers more than half the section of the History section. So the only thing that you claim is notable (which I dispute under
WP:EVENTCRITERIA) gets one statement in leading paragraph and less then half the content in History Section, equating to less then 25% coverage as per readable prose.
Roller26 (
talk) 16:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Roller26, I'll add some sources from hindi result (if it is allowed in Wikipedia), please check it for me and help me aligning them. I would also like to add the details of their tree plantation and their demands from those sources, can you please help me with that? I would be highly obliged. Zerreat ( talk) 07:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Zerreat, The entire infobox with significant information is about the NGO. Its founder Piyush Monga is involved in a controversy covers the statement in the leading paragraph and section of its own. The idea of the NGO and its history covers more than half the section of the History section. So the only thing that you claim is notable (which I dispute under
WP:EVENTCRITERIA) gets one statement in leading paragraph and less then half the content in History Section, equating to less then 25% coverage as per readable prose.
Roller26 (
talk) 16:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- The main title for bicycle ride would also be Youth Against Rape. The content is also good, I don't have much idea about older version but currently this article seems to be very clear about each aspect as you mentioned them. As I checked article, we just have very little details of NGO which is quite good and acceptable. I also don't think founder Piyush Monga is mixed somewhere in this article as this is all about Youth Against Rape and he is just a name in this.
Zerreat (
talk) 14:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete poor quality evidence for establishing notability. Georgethedragonslayer ( talk) 11:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - despite the efforts to save the article, it is becoming clear that there isn't enough in-depth coverage from reliable third party sources; some topics just don't have the potential to meet GNG. Maybe in the future there will be enough coverage to create this again. Spiderone 21:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Socking aside, there appears to be consensus that coverage is not sufficient at this time to demonstrate notability. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Youth Against Rape
|
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This organization doesn't meet WP:GNG, WP:ORG and importantly WP:NGO. Out of 16 sources listed:
- 6 don't mention the organization
- 3 are pure listings
- 3 are primary sources like org's Instagram page, declared press release article, organization written article in user-generated content website
- 2 are same articles or sourced from same agency (TNN)
- The last 2 sources cover the cycling event organized and have 1 line each about the organization.
These sources don't provide significant coverage of the organization. Outside these sources also, there is nothing to indicate significant coverage and hence notability. Also entire page is written in PROMO style with a number of claims and works going uncited. Roller26 ( talk) 16:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Roller26 ( talk) 16:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Roller26 ( talk) 16:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: I have added valid references to this page from News18 India, Dainik Bhaskar and other news sources, still there is significant coverage of this topic, the organization is involved in multiple notable events like cycle campaign(most notable). I understand there are some sections which does not cite any sources, I think if no source is found we should simply remove those sections from WP but keep this article since it is more than just a dictionary definition. This article qualifies requirements for WP:ORG. Their are many celebrities linked with cases given by them to National Commission for Women which is also notable. Thank you -- Pratyush.shrivastava ( talk) 19:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin - the keep vote above is from the article's creator -- Roller26 ( talk) 23:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - I've cleaned up the article a bit (and have removed uncited parts). It needs work but meets notability requirements. The creator is new to wikipedia and I hope will learn the ropes quickly, we met at peer review. For me this passes WP:NGO and the "three best links" I would offer would be Times of India, The Indianness and Patrika. Mujinga ( talk) 21:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Mujinga, appreciate you mentoring a new user and showing them the ropes of WP. The above article is existentially dealing with 4 things : its founder Piyush Monga, cycle campaign, campaign of Youth Against Rape (YAR) and the NGO Youth Against Injustice Foundation (YAIF). The basic problem is what is the main thrust of the article and what is meeting the WP:GNG criteria. Both the earlier (pre-AfD tagged version) and later version (post-AfD tagged version) are seamlessly mixing all 4 parts in the article without making a clear distinction. For eg, the later added Controversy Section has nothing do with YAR or YAIF. Essentially in the article and in all the 5 sources added it seems to be the work of Yogita Bhayana from People Against Rape in India. Piyush Monga is just of one of the named parties in the defamation case, and I am not sure how that is relevant in the page of YAR (As we have to differentiate the campaign and organization from its founder). The three best links you provided me, essentially talk about the cycle campaign and make a passing reference to Youth Against Rape, which does not add up to significant coverage of Youth Against Rape (I also doubt that theindianness.com will qualify as Reliable source). The cycle campaign may qualify for WP:GNG but Youth Against Rape (or Piyush Moonga or YAIF) certainty don't at this stage. -- Roller26 ( talk) 23:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NORG and also lacks substantial coverage about the subject. Passing mentions and off-topic content does not count. ArvindPalaskar ( talk) 11:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: I have difficulty with references beyond the cycle campaign to establish WP:GNG. In spite of efforts to save this page - laudatory this campaign and efforts are - there is insufficient notablity. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 11:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Padavalam ► 16:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Padavalam ► 16:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 16:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Non notable organization which has sure attracted some coverage but it is currently trivial. killer bee 14:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
::
@K6bee9 Please clear what are you exactly referring to,
WP:ORGDEPTH? For that I've added references in article please check them. You also used the word currently, if it is in the sense it does not qualify notability now and does earlier, please read
WP:NTEMP. Thank you --
Pratyush.shrivastava (
talk) 19:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC) Note: this user is blocked for socking.
*Keep per
WP:ORG,
WP:NGO and
WP:GNG. I came in search of this page and found this deletion discussion. I think there are enough sources to meet Wikipedia GNG I read all the comments and I think there were low sources earlier, but now I checked there are 31 sources out of which about 10 clearly are media coverage of bicycle tour.
Zerreat (
talk) 08:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Note: this user is blocked for socking.
- Note - Zerreat got blocked due to being a sockpuppet of Pratyush.shrivastava Roller26 ( talk) 00:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Zerreat, the issue with the article is though the cycle campaign has received coverage, The page's title is Youth against Rape which has not received significant coverage. The page in current form was mostly edited, cleaned and lot of references were added after the AfD tag on 30-August. It still has only 86 words in the total article of 359 words (in readable prose) amounting to less than 25% coverage for the cycle campaign. The article doesn't differentiate between its founder Piyush Monga, cycle campaign, campaign of Youth Against Rape (YAR) and the NGO Youth Against Injustice Foundation (YAIF) and covers all of them equally instead of passing mentions. The three other topics are clearly non-notable. I also doubt the notability of the cycle campaign for a stand alone article as per
WP:EVENTCRITERIA as lot of sources are essentially the same PR article.
Roller26 (
talk) 09:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- The main title for bicycle ride would also be Youth Against Rape. The content is also good, I don't have much idea about older version but currently this article seems to be very clear about each aspect as you mentioned them. As I checked article, we just have very little details of NGO which is quite good and acceptable. I also don't think founder Piyush Monga is mixed somewhere in this article as this is all about Youth Against Rape and he is just a name in this.
Zerreat (
talk) 14:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Zerreat, The entire infobox with significant information is about the NGO. Its founder Piyush Monga is involved in a controversy covers the statement in the leading paragraph and section of its own. The idea of the NGO and its history covers more than half the section of the History section. So the only thing that you claim is notable (which I dispute under
WP:EVENTCRITERIA) gets one statement in leading paragraph and less then half the content in History Section, equating to less then 25% coverage as per readable prose.
Roller26 (
talk) 16:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Roller26, I'll add some sources from hindi result (if it is allowed in Wikipedia), please check it for me and help me aligning them. I would also like to add the details of their tree plantation and their demands from those sources, can you please help me with that? I would be highly obliged. Zerreat ( talk) 07:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Zerreat, The entire infobox with significant information is about the NGO. Its founder Piyush Monga is involved in a controversy covers the statement in the leading paragraph and section of its own. The idea of the NGO and its history covers more than half the section of the History section. So the only thing that you claim is notable (which I dispute under
WP:EVENTCRITERIA) gets one statement in leading paragraph and less then half the content in History Section, equating to less then 25% coverage as per readable prose.
Roller26 (
talk) 16:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- The main title for bicycle ride would also be Youth Against Rape. The content is also good, I don't have much idea about older version but currently this article seems to be very clear about each aspect as you mentioned them. As I checked article, we just have very little details of NGO which is quite good and acceptable. I also don't think founder Piyush Monga is mixed somewhere in this article as this is all about Youth Against Rape and he is just a name in this.
Zerreat (
talk) 14:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete poor quality evidence for establishing notability. Georgethedragonslayer ( talk) 11:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - despite the efforts to save the article, it is becoming clear that there isn't enough in-depth coverage from reliable third party sources; some topics just don't have the potential to meet GNG. Maybe in the future there will be enough coverage to create this again. Spiderone 21:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.