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The result was Delete. Even if Rody19901504 is unrelated to the sockpuppets who voted here, a single week keep is no real opposition relative to several delete votes, including one string one. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Vardan Sholinian
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Non-notable MMA fighter - does not meet WP:NMMA - no top tier fights Peter Rehse ( talk) 19:24, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse ( talk) 19:25, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA since he has no top tier fights. Routine sports coverage is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa ( talk) 18:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Keep – He actually just recently fought for the CXF World title and lost split decision to former TUF competitor. I just updated it. And also he fought for RFA which is top televised promotion against Bojan Veličković who competes in the UFC. Sholinian is one of very few popular Armenian mixed martial artist who also represents Ukraine at the high level stage, so I think this article meets WP:NMMA and in his references list there's enough links to meet WP:GNG as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izukiviktor ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Keep I saw Sholinian's fight against Bojan Veličković it was televised on national television AXS TV he fought for RFA. I think this article should stay. I think it meetst WP:NMMA besides he's young fighter and Pretty sure he'll keep fighting on big stage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexiomorono ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Comment I think this article should stay. These days MMA is very big so it's not only about fighters fighting in the UFC or Bellator. There's many other organizations should be considered just like in boxing. RFA and CXF are big organizations in MMA world and Vardan Sholinian is signed with them. But I'm not going to vote, will just leave a comment for future voters. Just my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.72.201 ( talk) 04:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Keep Totally meets WP:NMMA there's more than twenty different reliable mma sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:2ECC:CC00:449A:FEEA:F275:40A2 ( talk) 10:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)-
Clerk note:: The two IPs are evidently the same person, while Alexiomorono has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet of Izukiviktor. See
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izukiviktor.
GAB
gab 03:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- The insistence that the subject meets WP:NMMA is curious. It is pretty clear that the subject does not. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing genuinely convincing for the standards here. SwisterTwister talk 04:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 02:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 02:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
- Comment If you eliminate the sock/meat puppets and the indefinitely blocked article author, there seems to be no support for keeping this article. The claims of him meeting WP:NMMA are clearly not true and routine sports coverage is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa ( talk) 19:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep Looks like he is pretty notable foreign fighter who represents his country in United States and has lots of reliable sources from different mma websites, few of them in Russian language though and lots of interviews and etc. on youtube too, so looks pretty notable to me. He trains with Ronda Rousey and in one of youtube videos she was in his corner. Although I say weak keep because doesn't seem like he meets WP:NMMA yet. I did some research and doesn't look like that RFA and CXF organizations are in the list. Also RFA was merged with Legacy Fighting Championship and now it's LFA so needs some updates on that too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rody19901504 ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Striking the 4 keep opinions as sockpuppets, which I suspect the above user is just based on behavioral evidence as well. Jclemens ( talk) 02:55, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised. Same with the 2 users below. With all the socking going on in this AFD it just seems suspicious that all 3 of the accounts were created after this AFD was started. To be fair it could be a coincidence they all ended up here. It would be helpful if they could point out some independent, reliable sources instead of saying "lots of reliable sources". All I could find was fight result listings and some youtube entries. CBS527 Talk 13:22, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete A clear-cut case of failing to meet WP:NMMA or WP:GNG. Lincolnite ( talk) 23:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This AFD was closed by a brand new spa account, Bobbybad ( talk · contribs). The circumstances around this AFD make such a close completely inappropriate. Someguy1221 ( talk) 10:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Strong delete I'm not seeing where he meets WP:NMMA at all. Also, the amount of what appears to be meatpupptery here is a bit concerning. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:56, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Even if Rody19901504 is unrelated to the sockpuppets who voted here, a single week keep is no real opposition relative to several delete votes, including one string one. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Vardan Sholinian
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Non-notable MMA fighter - does not meet WP:NMMA - no top tier fights Peter Rehse ( talk) 19:24, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse ( talk) 19:25, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA since he has no top tier fights. Routine sports coverage is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa ( talk) 18:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Keep – He actually just recently fought for the CXF World title and lost split decision to former TUF competitor. I just updated it. And also he fought for RFA which is top televised promotion against Bojan Veličković who competes in the UFC. Sholinian is one of very few popular Armenian mixed martial artist who also represents Ukraine at the high level stage, so I think this article meets WP:NMMA and in his references list there's enough links to meet WP:GNG as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izukiviktor ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Keep I saw Sholinian's fight against Bojan Veličković it was televised on national television AXS TV he fought for RFA. I think this article should stay. I think it meetst WP:NMMA besides he's young fighter and Pretty sure he'll keep fighting on big stage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexiomorono ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Comment I think this article should stay. These days MMA is very big so it's not only about fighters fighting in the UFC or Bellator. There's many other organizations should be considered just like in boxing. RFA and CXF are big organizations in MMA world and Vardan Sholinian is signed with them. But I'm not going to vote, will just leave a comment for future voters. Just my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.72.201 ( talk) 04:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)Keep Totally meets WP:NMMA there's more than twenty different reliable mma sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:2ECC:CC00:449A:FEEA:F275:40A2 ( talk) 10:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)-
Clerk note:: The two IPs are evidently the same person, while Alexiomorono has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet of Izukiviktor. See
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izukiviktor.
GAB
gab 03:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- The insistence that the subject meets WP:NMMA is curious. It is pretty clear that the subject does not. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing genuinely convincing for the standards here. SwisterTwister talk 04:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 02:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 02:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
- Comment If you eliminate the sock/meat puppets and the indefinitely blocked article author, there seems to be no support for keeping this article. The claims of him meeting WP:NMMA are clearly not true and routine sports coverage is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa ( talk) 19:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep Looks like he is pretty notable foreign fighter who represents his country in United States and has lots of reliable sources from different mma websites, few of them in Russian language though and lots of interviews and etc. on youtube too, so looks pretty notable to me. He trains with Ronda Rousey and in one of youtube videos she was in his corner. Although I say weak keep because doesn't seem like he meets WP:NMMA yet. I did some research and doesn't look like that RFA and CXF organizations are in the list. Also RFA was merged with Legacy Fighting Championship and now it's LFA so needs some updates on that too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rody19901504 ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Striking the 4 keep opinions as sockpuppets, which I suspect the above user is just based on behavioral evidence as well. Jclemens ( talk) 02:55, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised. Same with the 2 users below. With all the socking going on in this AFD it just seems suspicious that all 3 of the accounts were created after this AFD was started. To be fair it could be a coincidence they all ended up here. It would be helpful if they could point out some independent, reliable sources instead of saying "lots of reliable sources". All I could find was fight result listings and some youtube entries. CBS527 Talk 13:22, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete A clear-cut case of failing to meet WP:NMMA or WP:GNG. Lincolnite ( talk) 23:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This AFD was closed by a brand new spa account, Bobbybad ( talk · contribs). The circumstances around this AFD make such a close completely inappropriate. Someguy1221 ( talk) 10:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Strong delete I'm not seeing where he meets WP:NMMA at all. Also, the amount of what appears to be meatpupptery here is a bit concerning. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:56, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
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