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The result was keep. And rename to "... primaries". Sandstein 09:08, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
United States presidential election in American Samoa, 2016
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- United States presidential election in Guam, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- United States presidential election in the Northern Mariana Islands, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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As the first sentence of these five articles clearly states, unlike the 50 U.S. states plus Washington D.C. (see previous AfD), these territories will not participate in the presidential election, so the mere existence of these articles is slightly misleading. While the major parties hold primary contests in these territories, they do so at their own discretion, similarly to the Democrats Abroad primary, 2016. So while the major parties' individual primaries and caucuses are valid topics, these ones IMHO aren't. PanchoS ( talk) 11:19, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep. I don't agree with the stated rationale for deletion. These are real elections, covered in the relevant media; the chosen delegates vote at the conventions. (Puerto Rico elects 60 Democratic delegates, which is more than about half of the states get.) Our paperless encyclopedia has room to accomodate the details of every presidential cycle and I don't see why we would go out of our way to remove them. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ Arxiloxos: Take a single look at the lead of any of these and you'll immediately see these article don't cover real existing primaries but a non-existing presidential election. Puerto Rico doesn't elect 60 Democrat delegates – registered Democrats Party of Puerto Rico does. This is not about wasting space but about an incorrect topic. -- PanchoS ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep, these are very legitimate and very real presidential primaries. If anything, they could be renamed to reflect the fact that they only participate in the primaries, but that's explained at the beginning of these articles. Why bring these to AfD and not just ask them to be renamed? You mentioned the Democrats Abroad primary... The Moose is loose! 20:36, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ The Moose: Indeed, the primaries (like American Samoa Republican caucus, 2016 and American Samoa Democratic caucus, 2016) are very legitimate and real. Of course I didn't nominate those for deletion, why would I? I think you got me wrong here. -- PanchoS ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- I see. I didn't realize there were separate pages for each party's primary in some of those territories. Regardless, I think I would prefer to have both major parties in the same article for each territory in these small contests, and rename/merge content. That's not a discussion for AfD, but since we're here now... The Moose is loose! 15:54, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and rename all to "United States presidential primaries in [territory], 2016". ansh 666 22:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Rename to United States presidential primaries in American Samoa, 2016 and so on. Agree with nominator that "election" is the incorrect qualifier, but the content is still useful under the right qualifier. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 23:15, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ Arxiloxos and Ahnoneemoos: There's no content beyond what is covered by the more specific, and of course very legitimate topics targeted to the individual caucuses. -- PanchoS ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- We don't have specific articles for the Puerto Rican caucuses; only the general one under discussion in this AfD. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 06:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The territories participate in their party conventions and the elections have full coverage, no doubt about it. Nate • ( chatter) 02:19, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Arxiloxos & others, and Rename per Ahnoneemoos.-- JayJasper ( talk) 21:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and rename as above, although the current titles should remain as redirects - not everyone would necessarily know people in the territories don't get to participate in November, so they'd be a reasonable search term. Egsan Bacon ( talk) 16:14, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. And rename to "... primaries". Sandstein 09:08, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
United States presidential election in American Samoa, 2016
- United States presidential election in American Samoa, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- United States presidential election in Guam, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- United States presidential election in the Northern Mariana Islands, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- United States presidential election in Puerto Rico, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- United States presidential election in the US Virgin Islands, 2016 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
As the first sentence of these five articles clearly states, unlike the 50 U.S. states plus Washington D.C. (see previous AfD), these territories will not participate in the presidential election, so the mere existence of these articles is slightly misleading. While the major parties hold primary contests in these territories, they do so at their own discretion, similarly to the Democrats Abroad primary, 2016. So while the major parties' individual primaries and caucuses are valid topics, these ones IMHO aren't. PanchoS ( talk) 11:19, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 13:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 13:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 13:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't agree with the stated rationale for deletion. These are real elections, covered in the relevant media; the chosen delegates vote at the conventions. (Puerto Rico elects 60 Democratic delegates, which is more than about half of the states get.) Our paperless encyclopedia has room to accomodate the details of every presidential cycle and I don't see why we would go out of our way to remove them. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ Arxiloxos: Take a single look at the lead of any of these and you'll immediately see these article don't cover real existing primaries but a non-existing presidential election. Puerto Rico doesn't elect 60 Democrat delegates – registered Democrats Party of Puerto Rico does. This is not about wasting space but about an incorrect topic. -- PanchoS ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep, these are very legitimate and very real presidential primaries. If anything, they could be renamed to reflect the fact that they only participate in the primaries, but that's explained at the beginning of these articles. Why bring these to AfD and not just ask them to be renamed? You mentioned the Democrats Abroad primary... The Moose is loose! 20:36, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ The Moose: Indeed, the primaries (like American Samoa Republican caucus, 2016 and American Samoa Democratic caucus, 2016) are very legitimate and real. Of course I didn't nominate those for deletion, why would I? I think you got me wrong here. -- PanchoS ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- I see. I didn't realize there were separate pages for each party's primary in some of those territories. Regardless, I think I would prefer to have both major parties in the same article for each territory in these small contests, and rename/merge content. That's not a discussion for AfD, but since we're here now... The Moose is loose! 15:54, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and rename all to "United States presidential primaries in [territory], 2016". ansh 666 22:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Rename to United States presidential primaries in American Samoa, 2016 and so on. Agree with nominator that "election" is the incorrect qualifier, but the content is still useful under the right qualifier. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 23:15, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ Arxiloxos and Ahnoneemoos: There's no content beyond what is covered by the more specific, and of course very legitimate topics targeted to the individual caucuses. -- PanchoS ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- We don't have specific articles for the Puerto Rican caucuses; only the general one under discussion in this AfD. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 06:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The territories participate in their party conventions and the elections have full coverage, no doubt about it. Nate • ( chatter) 02:19, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Arxiloxos & others, and Rename per Ahnoneemoos.-- JayJasper ( talk) 21:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and rename as above, although the current titles should remain as redirects - not everyone would necessarily know people in the territories don't get to participate in November, so they'd be a reasonable search term. Egsan Bacon ( talk) 16:14, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.