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The result was keep. Reliable Sources Have been Found (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 15:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Third Junior & Senior High School of Nihon University
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Non-Notable School, only one reference which is the schools own website, cited for expansion since 2019. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 16:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Education,
Schools, and
Japan.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 16:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- COMMENT: Even though I as nominator have decided to keep the article we are NOT CLOSING this discussion for the time being as we are waiting for input from ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep A quick
Google News search for the school's Japanese name brings up well over 30,000 results.
Google Books also brings up quite a few results. While I haven't gone through them all,
unless the nominator has, there's little doubt that this is a highly notable high school affiliated with
Nihon University.
WP:GLOBAL is relevant here.
DCsansei (
talk) 15:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
DCsansei I can't translate those pages so i'll have to take your word for it, but could you provide a source analysis table to better show how some of them meet GNG?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 15:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- With due respect, you're supposed to do a search for sources
WP:BEFORE nominating an article for deletion. As it notes: "The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects." If you haven't done this and reviewed the literal tens of thousands Japanese-language sources about a high school in Japan, then it seems that this nomination is premature.
DCsansei (
talk) 15:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I did a google search, the minimum search expected is ONE of the ones you listed not ALL, and the google search ended up with no Reliable sources.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 18:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Personally I would have conducted at least single search with the official English name and a separate search with the Japanese name, as reliable sources are more likely to be numerous in Japanese. Also, there may be variant English names in which the Japanese name is translated differently. Anyway, I asked for help at
ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo to get input from Japanese editors on how to find reliable sources for this topic.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe Thanks, after looking at the Japanese article I no longer feel this article should be deleted, but the Japanese article is cited for insufficient references from reliable sources, & I can't read Japanese so I would have no Idea weather or not a source is even about the school let alone if it is reliable. I am not going to google translate every single link I click on when looking for sources, so hopefully someone on that noticeboard will be able to help.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 16:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have translated a few pages & added them to the article. Hopefuly we will get feedback from the ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo on where to find reliable sources. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 14:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe Thanks, after looking at the Japanese article I no longer feel this article should be deleted, but the Japanese article is cited for insufficient references from reliable sources, & I can't read Japanese so I would have no Idea weather or not a source is even about the school let alone if it is reliable. I am not going to google translate every single link I click on when looking for sources, so hopefully someone on that noticeboard will be able to help.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 16:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Personally I would have conducted at least single search with the official English name and a separate search with the Japanese name, as reliable sources are more likely to be numerous in Japanese. Also, there may be variant English names in which the Japanese name is translated differently. Anyway, I asked for help at
ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo to get input from Japanese editors on how to find reliable sources for this topic.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- I did a google search, the minimum search expected is ONE of the ones you listed not ALL, and the google search ended up with no Reliable sources.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 18:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- With due respect, you're supposed to do a search for sources
WP:BEFORE nominating an article for deletion. As it notes: "The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects." If you haven't done this and reviewed the literal tens of thousands Japanese-language sources about a high school in Japan, then it seems that this nomination is premature.
DCsansei (
talk) 15:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
DCsansei I can't translate those pages so i'll have to take your word for it, but could you provide a source analysis table to better show how some of them meet GNG?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 15:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Meets
WP:GNG. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 16:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- We already have decided to keep the article(as nom) but we are NOT CLOSING it, due to waiting for input from ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo, we want to get as reliable sources as we can, as we don't speak japanese & are not from japan so we don't know which sources are truly reliable, we have found a few with significant coverage. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:47, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please remember !voting in this Discussion has been put on Hold as we are Waiting for Input from ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo, you are welcome to list any sources(preferably in Japanese) with significant coverage that seem reliable. And we will Verify with ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Reliable Sources Have been Found (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 15:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Third Junior & Senior High School of Nihon University
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Third Junior & Senior High School of Nihon University ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-Notable School, only one reference which is the schools own website, cited for expansion since 2019. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 16:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Education,
Schools, and
Japan.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 16:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- COMMENT: Even though I as nominator have decided to keep the article we are NOT CLOSING this discussion for the time being as we are waiting for input from ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep A quick
Google News search for the school's Japanese name brings up well over 30,000 results.
Google Books also brings up quite a few results. While I haven't gone through them all,
unless the nominator has, there's little doubt that this is a highly notable high school affiliated with
Nihon University.
WP:GLOBAL is relevant here.
DCsansei (
talk) 15:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
DCsansei I can't translate those pages so i'll have to take your word for it, but could you provide a source analysis table to better show how some of them meet GNG?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 15:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- With due respect, you're supposed to do a search for sources
WP:BEFORE nominating an article for deletion. As it notes: "The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects." If you haven't done this and reviewed the literal tens of thousands Japanese-language sources about a high school in Japan, then it seems that this nomination is premature.
DCsansei (
talk) 15:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I did a google search, the minimum search expected is ONE of the ones you listed not ALL, and the google search ended up with no Reliable sources.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 18:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Personally I would have conducted at least single search with the official English name and a separate search with the Japanese name, as reliable sources are more likely to be numerous in Japanese. Also, there may be variant English names in which the Japanese name is translated differently. Anyway, I asked for help at
ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo to get input from Japanese editors on how to find reliable sources for this topic.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe Thanks, after looking at the Japanese article I no longer feel this article should be deleted, but the Japanese article is cited for insufficient references from reliable sources, & I can't read Japanese so I would have no Idea weather or not a source is even about the school let alone if it is reliable. I am not going to google translate every single link I click on when looking for sources, so hopefully someone on that noticeboard will be able to help.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 16:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have translated a few pages & added them to the article. Hopefuly we will get feedback from the ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo on where to find reliable sources. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 14:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe Thanks, after looking at the Japanese article I no longer feel this article should be deleted, but the Japanese article is cited for insufficient references from reliable sources, & I can't read Japanese so I would have no Idea weather or not a source is even about the school let alone if it is reliable. I am not going to google translate every single link I click on when looking for sources, so hopefully someone on that noticeboard will be able to help.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 16:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Personally I would have conducted at least single search with the official English name and a separate search with the Japanese name, as reliable sources are more likely to be numerous in Japanese. Also, there may be variant English names in which the Japanese name is translated differently. Anyway, I asked for help at
ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo to get input from Japanese editors on how to find reliable sources for this topic.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- I did a google search, the minimum search expected is ONE of the ones you listed not ALL, and the google search ended up with no Reliable sources.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 18:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- With due respect, you're supposed to do a search for sources
WP:BEFORE nominating an article for deletion. As it notes: "The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects." If you haven't done this and reviewed the literal tens of thousands Japanese-language sources about a high school in Japan, then it seems that this nomination is premature.
DCsansei (
talk) 15:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @
DCsansei I can't translate those pages so i'll have to take your word for it, but could you provide a source analysis table to better show how some of them meet GNG?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 15:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Meets
WP:GNG. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 16:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- We already have decided to keep the article(as nom) but we are NOT CLOSING it, due to waiting for input from ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo, we want to get as reliable sources as we can, as we don't speak japanese & are not from japan so we don't know which sources are truly reliable, we have found a few with significant coverage. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:47, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please remember !voting in this Discussion has been put on Hold as we are Waiting for Input from ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo, you are welcome to list any sources(preferably in Japanese) with significant coverage that seem reliable. And we will Verify with ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.