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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 21:24, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Revolutionary Communist Party, USA
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This party has done nothing of note, and never had any seat in any election in the history of its existence. It has also not contributed to US politics at all.. ShimonChai ( talk) 18:17, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Whether they've "contributed" isn't really material here; the relevant question is whether the RCP has received substantial coverage in reliable sources, and they have: examples of continuing coverage of this Maoist redoubt include [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] . In some of the coverage, it's not always obvious just where the line is between material about the party and material about its longtime leader Bob Avakian, but there's enough of both to warrant separate articles. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 21:08, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't believe it is an appropriate holistic rubric of relevance to judge a political group based on their embededness in current politics. This group makes a marked presence here in NYC and they are getting particular national attention now for their central planning role in upcoming actions [7]. It seems this article needs a lot of cleaning up though, lots more validity and outside sources. Mycoolsighman ( talk) 21:43, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I think this should be treated not as a "political party", but as a "think-tank" type group. It's an organization founded by Bob Avakian, if it's not independently notable it should redirect there. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 17:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep - Holy shit, did somebody really nominate this piece for deletion? Big pass of GNG here, by a mile. See the numerous volumes of the Hoover Institution Press's scholarly Yearbook on International Communist Affairs for substantial year-by-year coverage, particularly through the 1970s. The RCP was a Maoist offshoot of the 1960s Students for Democratic Society and is a group that garnered substantial coverage in the American press for burning American flags, protesting so-called "Chinese Revisionism," etc. Mindblowing that this didn't get snowed close Keep in a day and a half, I need to watch AfD more carefully, clearly... Carrite ( talk) 13:43, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Throwing a few sources at the wall as they come from the Google to demonstrate how....... ill-considered......... this deletion nomination is:
HERE are the insane squirrels at Breitbart in 2014 running an RCP-Shock headline in a news story...
HERE is CBS-TV 19 Cleveland on the RCP's activity there...
THIS is the Los Angeles Times on "Fueled by the Flames : Revolutionary Communist Party Sees L.A. Riots as an Opening to Be Seized," from 1992...
HERE is Cleveland.com (Plain Dealer?) on the RCP protesting the Republicans in 2016...
THIS is a book Heavy Radicals, dealing with the FBI's counterintelligence war against the Maoists in America, which deals ENORMOUSLY with the RCP... There is said to be substantial coverage of the group in the book
Revolution in the Air: Sixties Radicals Turn to Lenin, Mao, and Che...
THIS is the Chicago Sun Times on the RCP in Chicago... And I am tired now, this all was from the first page of a Google search. Somebody whack the nominator with a salmon, a trout isn't big enough...
Carrite (
talk) 14:00, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Here's more academic coverage, Robert J. Alexander in Maoism in the Developed World, Praeger, 2001. Carrite ( talk) 14:41, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Throwing a few sources at the wall as they come from the Google to demonstrate how....... ill-considered......... this deletion nomination is:
HERE are the insane squirrels at Breitbart in 2014 running an RCP-Shock headline in a news story...
HERE is CBS-TV 19 Cleveland on the RCP's activity there...
THIS is the Los Angeles Times on "Fueled by the Flames : Revolutionary Communist Party Sees L.A. Riots as an Opening to Be Seized," from 1992...
HERE is Cleveland.com (Plain Dealer?) on the RCP protesting the Republicans in 2016...
THIS is a book Heavy Radicals, dealing with the FBI's counterintelligence war against the Maoists in America, which deals ENORMOUSLY with the RCP... There is said to be substantial coverage of the group in the book
Revolution in the Air: Sixties Radicals Turn to Lenin, Mao, and Che...
THIS is the Chicago Sun Times on the RCP in Chicago... And I am tired now, this all was from the first page of a Google search. Somebody whack the nominator with a salmon, a trout isn't big enough...
Carrite (
talk) 14:00, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 21:24, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Revolutionary Communist Party, USA
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This party has done nothing of note, and never had any seat in any election in the history of its existence. It has also not contributed to US politics at all.. ShimonChai ( talk) 18:17, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Whether they've "contributed" isn't really material here; the relevant question is whether the RCP has received substantial coverage in reliable sources, and they have: examples of continuing coverage of this Maoist redoubt include [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] . In some of the coverage, it's not always obvious just where the line is between material about the party and material about its longtime leader Bob Avakian, but there's enough of both to warrant separate articles. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 21:08, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't believe it is an appropriate holistic rubric of relevance to judge a political group based on their embededness in current politics. This group makes a marked presence here in NYC and they are getting particular national attention now for their central planning role in upcoming actions [7]. It seems this article needs a lot of cleaning up though, lots more validity and outside sources. Mycoolsighman ( talk) 21:43, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I think this should be treated not as a "political party", but as a "think-tank" type group. It's an organization founded by Bob Avakian, if it's not independently notable it should redirect there. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 17:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 23:52, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 23:52, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 09:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Holy shit, did somebody really nominate this piece for deletion? Big pass of GNG here, by a mile. See the numerous volumes of the Hoover Institution Press's scholarly Yearbook on International Communist Affairs for substantial year-by-year coverage, particularly through the 1970s. The RCP was a Maoist offshoot of the 1960s Students for Democratic Society and is a group that garnered substantial coverage in the American press for burning American flags, protesting so-called "Chinese Revisionism," etc. Mindblowing that this didn't get snowed close Keep in a day and a half, I need to watch AfD more carefully, clearly... Carrite ( talk) 13:43, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Throwing a few sources at the wall as they come from the Google to demonstrate how....... ill-considered......... this deletion nomination is:
HERE are the insane squirrels at Breitbart in 2014 running an RCP-Shock headline in a news story...
HERE is CBS-TV 19 Cleveland on the RCP's activity there...
THIS is the Los Angeles Times on "Fueled by the Flames : Revolutionary Communist Party Sees L.A. Riots as an Opening to Be Seized," from 1992...
HERE is Cleveland.com (Plain Dealer?) on the RCP protesting the Republicans in 2016...
THIS is a book Heavy Radicals, dealing with the FBI's counterintelligence war against the Maoists in America, which deals ENORMOUSLY with the RCP... There is said to be substantial coverage of the group in the book
Revolution in the Air: Sixties Radicals Turn to Lenin, Mao, and Che...
THIS is the Chicago Sun Times on the RCP in Chicago... And I am tired now, this all was from the first page of a Google search. Somebody whack the nominator with a salmon, a trout isn't big enough...
Carrite (
talk) 14:00, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Here's more academic coverage, Robert J. Alexander in Maoism in the Developed World, Praeger, 2001. Carrite ( talk) 14:41, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Throwing a few sources at the wall as they come from the Google to demonstrate how....... ill-considered......... this deletion nomination is:
HERE are the insane squirrels at Breitbart in 2014 running an RCP-Shock headline in a news story...
HERE is CBS-TV 19 Cleveland on the RCP's activity there...
THIS is the Los Angeles Times on "Fueled by the Flames : Revolutionary Communist Party Sees L.A. Riots as an Opening to Be Seized," from 1992...
HERE is Cleveland.com (Plain Dealer?) on the RCP protesting the Republicans in 2016...
THIS is a book Heavy Radicals, dealing with the FBI's counterintelligence war against the Maoists in America, which deals ENORMOUSLY with the RCP... There is said to be substantial coverage of the group in the book
Revolution in the Air: Sixties Radicals Turn to Lenin, Mao, and Che...
THIS is the Chicago Sun Times on the RCP in Chicago... And I am tired now, this all was from the first page of a Google search. Somebody whack the nominator with a salmon, a trout isn't big enough...
Carrite (
talk) 14:00, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.