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The result was keep. Sandstein 09:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group
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Apparently no longer active and never been notable Qualitatis ( talk) 10:15, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. Vipinhari || talk 11:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Merge or redirect to Bassem Eid,with no objections to the article being kept if further information and reliable sources are provided during this AfD. I am slightly surprised at the nominator's claim that the organisation is "apparently no longer active", as the GNews feed gives a substantial number of hits from within the last month. Almost all of these, however, relate more to the group's founder, Bassem Eid, and so do not give grounds for notability independent of him. Having said that, GNews also provides a scattering of hits from the past fifteen years (most recently about six months ago) that do not mention Eid, and a GBooks search provides a large number of hits, though a large proportion of these are short mentions - so a determined enough editor may be able to find sufficient more substantive sources to justify a standalone article. PWilkinson ( talk) 10:22, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. Here: [1] a long article about how he came to found PHRMG. Here: [2] a cluster of recent news articles showing that it is still active. Here [3] a google books search showing the group's impact. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:20, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep perhaps if it can be improved. Familiar attention may also be needed for in-depth searches. SwisterTwister talk 00:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Can't find enough in-depth coverage about the group to show they meet notability. The citations found by E.M.Gregory above are about people connected in some way to the group, and are simply mentions that they belonged to the group, but don't speak about the group itself, for the most part. Onel5969 TT me 12:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- User:onel5969, You needed to have time (a lot of time) to keep reading that (very long) source [ [4]], to the part where he founded this organization. That's what made my jaw drop (the moment when the quit B'Tselem, and the reason why he quit) and made me realize that we have all been looking at the wrong decade. (see my note below) E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Far too notable to delete.
but Unless someone makes time to build an article, although there is sufficient material in Hebrew, English and some European languages, unless someone makes time to build a short article, it may make sense to combine this with Bassem Eid, the founder/director of this (smallish) NGO. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- OK, here's the scoop. Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group was at its peak of notability and influence in the 1990s. It was covered by all the usual suspects The Guardian, Financial Times, and the rest of the big intl dailies. All I had to do was run a proquest search. There was more, but I added a Washington Post article and I think it now has enough sourcing to be minimally acceptable. However, someone should go back to the old papers and do a serious expand of this ground-breaking, and ABSOLUTELY NOTABLE Palestinian NGO. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- See also p. 147 of Joshua Muravchik's book , Making David into Goliath: How the World Turned Against Israel. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per new sources and with consideration for things 20 years old not showing up in internet searches. Also notability is not temporary. ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep, following improvements by User:E.M.Gregory. (Replacing merge vote above.) PWilkinson ( talk) 22:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Sandstein 09:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group
- Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Apparently no longer active and never been notable Qualitatis ( talk) 10:15, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. Vipinhari || talk 11:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Merge or redirect to Bassem Eid,with no objections to the article being kept if further information and reliable sources are provided during this AfD. I am slightly surprised at the nominator's claim that the organisation is "apparently no longer active", as the GNews feed gives a substantial number of hits from within the last month. Almost all of these, however, relate more to the group's founder, Bassem Eid, and so do not give grounds for notability independent of him. Having said that, GNews also provides a scattering of hits from the past fifteen years (most recently about six months ago) that do not mention Eid, and a GBooks search provides a large number of hits, though a large proportion of these are short mentions - so a determined enough editor may be able to find sufficient more substantive sources to justify a standalone article. PWilkinson ( talk) 10:22, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. Here: [1] a long article about how he came to found PHRMG. Here: [2] a cluster of recent news articles showing that it is still active. Here [3] a google books search showing the group's impact. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:20, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep perhaps if it can be improved. Familiar attention may also be needed for in-depth searches. SwisterTwister talk 00:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Can't find enough in-depth coverage about the group to show they meet notability. The citations found by E.M.Gregory above are about people connected in some way to the group, and are simply mentions that they belonged to the group, but don't speak about the group itself, for the most part. Onel5969 TT me 12:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- User:onel5969, You needed to have time (a lot of time) to keep reading that (very long) source [ [4]], to the part where he founded this organization. That's what made my jaw drop (the moment when the quit B'Tselem, and the reason why he quit) and made me realize that we have all been looking at the wrong decade. (see my note below) E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Far too notable to delete.
but Unless someone makes time to build an article, although there is sufficient material in Hebrew, English and some European languages, unless someone makes time to build a short article, it may make sense to combine this with Bassem Eid, the founder/director of this (smallish) NGO. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- OK, here's the scoop. Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group was at its peak of notability and influence in the 1990s. It was covered by all the usual suspects The Guardian, Financial Times, and the rest of the big intl dailies. All I had to do was run a proquest search. There was more, but I added a Washington Post article and I think it now has enough sourcing to be minimally acceptable. However, someone should go back to the old papers and do a serious expand of this ground-breaking, and ABSOLUTELY NOTABLE Palestinian NGO. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- See also p. 147 of Joshua Muravchik's book , Making David into Goliath: How the World Turned Against Israel. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per new sources and with consideration for things 20 years old not showing up in internet searches. Also notability is not temporary. ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep, following improvements by User:E.M.Gregory. (Replacing merge vote above.) PWilkinson ( talk) 22:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.