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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 05:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Overlook Park (Oviedo, Florida)
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non-notable park, fails WP:GNG Rusf10 ( talk) 08:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 11:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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- Per WP:NGEO named natural features are notable. The park is home to Clifton Springs and the park entry is where the springs are covered. The park and springs also have very substantial coverage so pass GNG. They are historically and geographically significant. Keep FloridaArmy ( talk) 14:56, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- delete This is not a named natural feature, whatever legitimacy WP:NGEO has. city parks lacking coverage outside the area are routinely deleted. Mangoe ( talk) 19:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni ( talk) 15:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni ( talk) 15:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The Clifton Springs are a named, notable geographic feature. If this is a dispute about article title, start a wp:RM to move coverage of the geographic feature + park which includes it to the feature name, rather than the park name. Personally, I think it is obvious that the park is larger and the natural title for the article is the park name. Also, municipal parks are IMO usually found to be notable, from experience with many other AFDs, though being with a major urban area instead of relatively remote usually helps. -- Doncram ( talk) 21:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment, heres a book that discusses the spring - Touring the springs of Florida : a guide to the state's best springs, that is held in 50 libraries, note this book covers the best springs (oh no, coola, does this mean we are going to have an article on every spring in the book?:)) but happier to see more references ( FloridaArmy, Doncram, can you provide some more cites?), or could we consider a merge/redirect to Oviedo, Florida, btw, (love their chickens:))? Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and consider expanding and renaming to an article about the park in which this spring is located, as per DonCram. Although my searches also turned up sources mentioning and describing this natural spring, which is, unsurprisingly, older than the park. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 00:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment- the article is supposed to be about the park, not the springs. The argument is now being made that the springs are notable. However, there doesn't appear to be many sources to back that up either.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 01:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- The springs are a major feature of the park. And they are covered very substantially in reliable independent sources along with the park. FloridaArmy ( talk) 02:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 05:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Overlook Park (Oviedo, Florida)
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non-notable park, fails WP:GNG Rusf10 ( talk) 08:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 11:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 11:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- Per WP:NGEO named natural features are notable. The park is home to Clifton Springs and the park entry is where the springs are covered. The park and springs also have very substantial coverage so pass GNG. They are historically and geographically significant. Keep FloridaArmy ( talk) 14:56, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
- delete This is not a named natural feature, whatever legitimacy WP:NGEO has. city parks lacking coverage outside the area are routinely deleted. Mangoe ( talk) 19:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni ( talk) 15:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni ( talk) 15:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The Clifton Springs are a named, notable geographic feature. If this is a dispute about article title, start a wp:RM to move coverage of the geographic feature + park which includes it to the feature name, rather than the park name. Personally, I think it is obvious that the park is larger and the natural title for the article is the park name. Also, municipal parks are IMO usually found to be notable, from experience with many other AFDs, though being with a major urban area instead of relatively remote usually helps. -- Doncram ( talk) 21:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment, heres a book that discusses the spring - Touring the springs of Florida : a guide to the state's best springs, that is held in 50 libraries, note this book covers the best springs (oh no, coola, does this mean we are going to have an article on every spring in the book?:)) but happier to see more references ( FloridaArmy, Doncram, can you provide some more cites?), or could we consider a merge/redirect to Oviedo, Florida, btw, (love their chickens:))? Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and consider expanding and renaming to an article about the park in which this spring is located, as per DonCram. Although my searches also turned up sources mentioning and describing this natural spring, which is, unsurprisingly, older than the park. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 00:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment- the article is supposed to be about the park, not the springs. The argument is now being made that the springs are notable. However, there doesn't appear to be many sources to back that up either.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 01:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- The springs are a major feature of the park. And they are covered very substantially in reliable independent sources along with the park. FloridaArmy ( talk) 02:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
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