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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have attempted to find third-party sources to help clarify and more properly source the claims in the article, but have came up empty-handed. Given the lack of third-party sources, I do not believe that the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines for notability and should be deleted. Suomichris ( talk) 15:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spirituality-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 15:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/Redirect to Alberto Villoldo. The Munay-ki article relies on primary and promotional sources. The edit history shows consistent removal of anything considered critical, even though this topic, and Villoldo, are extremely controversial. (Villoldo seemed to be claiming, in a show on LinkTV and in other places, that these methods could cure COVID, among other things. I don't know if that's ever been put in the articles; he may not be notable enough for these things to appear in RS sources.) What there is to say about his methods can be covered concisely under his own name. While Villoldo is probably notable enough for a small article, the article must include criticism when someone is making those types of claims while selling services to people. Whitewashed, promotional articles about people who sell fake cures don't belong on the 'pedia. WP articles must give an honest portrayal, and be protected from promotional editing, or they don't belong here at all. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable fluff. Dubious as a potential search term, and the page content certainly does not need preservation, so I'm not sold on the merits of converting it into a redirect. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- To keep the content from being recreated via reversion, we could first delete the page. Then create the redirect at that url and put full protection on it. Basically a variation on Delete and Salt. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Except I tossed a
WP:PROD tag on Villoldo's article today because I could only find one source, and it contradicted what's in the article, so the redirect might not work in the long run.
Suomichris (
talk) 00:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- He's notable in the alternative worlds he runs in, so probably passes that not particularly useful "College Professor test" that may or may not still be used on WP. He's more notable that other fringe figures who have articles on here (which of course doesn't mean those people should have articles, either, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). But the real issue is whether any of this translates to RS sources and a broader notabilty that is up to WP standards. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 00:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah—honestly, I assumed I'd be able to find stuff initially but couldn't. I'm not opposed to putting off deleting his article if we can find another source or two (especially if they're all in agreement, which is also an issue currently). Happy to discuss it at the Talk page there if needed. Suomichris ( talk) 00:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Except I tossed a
WP:PROD tag on Villoldo's article today because I could only find one source, and it contradicted what's in the article, so the redirect might not work in the long run.
Suomichris (
talk) 00:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I could understand if this was some legitimate work of ethnology, but I don't even know how we document a belief that somehow involves Indus Valley civilization ideals transmitted by Siberians to the Andes, supposedly 30,000 years ago...I mean there are just so many different things wrong with this that it would need several paragraphs to explain. Again, if this was legitimate ethnology, we would have no problem saying "The Inka believe that the deity they call..." etc. This is just WP:MADEUP. If the guy who invented this stuff is notable, we could merge a small paragraph of this into his article. We do have articles on BS artists where we accurately describe RS explanations for why they are BS artists (like that miracle water guy whose commercials are still running), but that would require good sourcing and it would probably require that this guy has gotten into some sort of trouble. If he's just an obscure loon, then we don't really need anything. Hyperion35 ( talk) 14:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Just Delete. No redirect necessary, per wp:Fringe; wp:Synthesis; wp:OR. GenQuest "scribble" 14:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Munay-ki
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I have attempted to find third-party sources to help clarify and more properly source the claims in the article, but have came up empty-handed. Given the lack of third-party sources, I do not believe that the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines for notability and should be deleted. Suomichris ( talk) 15:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spirituality-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 15:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/Redirect to Alberto Villoldo. The Munay-ki article relies on primary and promotional sources. The edit history shows consistent removal of anything considered critical, even though this topic, and Villoldo, are extremely controversial. (Villoldo seemed to be claiming, in a show on LinkTV and in other places, that these methods could cure COVID, among other things. I don't know if that's ever been put in the articles; he may not be notable enough for these things to appear in RS sources.) What there is to say about his methods can be covered concisely under his own name. While Villoldo is probably notable enough for a small article, the article must include criticism when someone is making those types of claims while selling services to people. Whitewashed, promotional articles about people who sell fake cures don't belong on the 'pedia. WP articles must give an honest portrayal, and be protected from promotional editing, or they don't belong here at all. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable fluff. Dubious as a potential search term, and the page content certainly does not need preservation, so I'm not sold on the merits of converting it into a redirect. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- To keep the content from being recreated via reversion, we could first delete the page. Then create the redirect at that url and put full protection on it. Basically a variation on Delete and Salt. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Except I tossed a
WP:PROD tag on Villoldo's article today because I could only find one source, and it contradicted what's in the article, so the redirect might not work in the long run.
Suomichris (
talk) 00:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- He's notable in the alternative worlds he runs in, so probably passes that not particularly useful "College Professor test" that may or may not still be used on WP. He's more notable that other fringe figures who have articles on here (which of course doesn't mean those people should have articles, either, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). But the real issue is whether any of this translates to RS sources and a broader notabilty that is up to WP standards. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 00:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah—honestly, I assumed I'd be able to find stuff initially but couldn't. I'm not opposed to putting off deleting his article if we can find another source or two (especially if they're all in agreement, which is also an issue currently). Happy to discuss it at the Talk page there if needed. Suomichris ( talk) 00:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Except I tossed a
WP:PROD tag on Villoldo's article today because I could only find one source, and it contradicted what's in the article, so the redirect might not work in the long run.
Suomichris (
talk) 00:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I could understand if this was some legitimate work of ethnology, but I don't even know how we document a belief that somehow involves Indus Valley civilization ideals transmitted by Siberians to the Andes, supposedly 30,000 years ago...I mean there are just so many different things wrong with this that it would need several paragraphs to explain. Again, if this was legitimate ethnology, we would have no problem saying "The Inka believe that the deity they call..." etc. This is just WP:MADEUP. If the guy who invented this stuff is notable, we could merge a small paragraph of this into his article. We do have articles on BS artists where we accurately describe RS explanations for why they are BS artists (like that miracle water guy whose commercials are still running), but that would require good sourcing and it would probably require that this guy has gotten into some sort of trouble. If he's just an obscure loon, then we don't really need anything. Hyperion35 ( talk) 14:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Just Delete. No redirect necessary, per wp:Fringe; wp:Synthesis; wp:OR. GenQuest "scribble" 14:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.