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The result was delete. Less Unless ( talk) 13:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Lynn, Ohio
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A Teahouse visitor has asserted, with coherent argument, that this place was never inhabited, and is merely a railway siding. I will copy their text as comments. Elemimele ( talk) 07:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- The teahouse-guest,
ClevelandExPat asked for correction of this article, initially posting the following text:
- "I have found an article that is very inaccurate in that it has turned a former mail stop along the old Pennsylvania Railroad tracks in Ohio into an "unincorporated community," which it never was. (No streets, no buildings other than an exterior platform and at most a mail distribution point - before Rural Free Delivery started in 1905. This place had no school, no churches, no grange or hall of any sort. Its simply a grade crossing created by a railroad. Portraying this as "community" is causing problems on other sites that insist that place was more than it was and as an unincorporated community that there were members of said "unincorporated community," when there were none. I just want the correct information to stand and remove this fictitious portrayal of what was a mail stop and perhaps a small post office that only functioned from 1895-1905 as an "unincorporated community" The factual information is already assembled, what remains is what to do with the "box" used for places. I just want this to be accurate, without deepening involvement. Is it possible to make this happen?"
- They subsequently added:
- "Thank you for the reply. USGS has a point on a map. And evidently, McGraw Hill maps do as well. However, Lynn, the railroad siding, was never occupied. Even as a postal sub-office, it existed as "Benzler" or "Lynn" had no residents, no place for people to gather. As for the defunct, yes, as of 1905 when its reason for being was closed with the advent of RFD routes. So it should be labeled as defunct in that its purpose for being ended 118 years ago. And it should be labeled as such, because there is nothing there. As for why people continue to list it on maps, it's probably "We have always done it that way," and the decision is being made by people who have never been there. If you look it up on Google maps, you'll see that there is just a crossing, nothing else. "
- Based on these arguments, it's not clear that this is genuinely a notable place. I am not an expert on US inhabited locations, and am therefore bringing it here, for the attention of those who are. Elemimele ( talk) 07:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Ohio. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I edited the article to say "...is a former post office and railroad siding ..." The article already had two references. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - "Unincorporated community" was sourced only to GNIS which is unreliable for that claim; the train station and post office do not indicate the presence of a community nor do they meet GNG. – dlthewave ☎ 18:25, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Post offices from that era do not necessarily correspond to communities; often they were just run out of a home or store and named after the owner. Better sourcing would be needed to establish as a notable place or community. Reywas92 Talk 02:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GEOLAND. There is no automatic notability for ex-post offices and railroad sidings, only for legally recognised communities, which this wasn't. The passing mentions cited clearly aren't enough to meet the WP:GNG. Hut 8.5 18:03, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Something not delete Are we sure the information is correct? I've found [1] which shows someone was the pastor of a church in Lynn, Ohio earlier in the 19th century and [2] talks about electors from Lynn, and also mentioned here: [3] - I don't know where that comes from, but are we absolutely sure about this one? Even if we are, the information here should be merged elsewhere. SportingFlyer T· C 20:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- See also [4] and [5] which shows the post office pre-dates what we currently have in the article, and [6] this from 1911. Though this could very well be referring to some other place in Ohio? Something's odd about this. SportingFlyer T· C 20:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- The electors are from Lynn Township, presumable Lynn Township, Hardin County, Ohio. – dlthewave ☎ 12:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Not a community, fails WP:GEOLAND. Avilich ( talk) 00:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I entered the coordinates in Google Earth. All that's there is a one-track railroad crossing over county road 123 (not even a state road). There's no sign of a station or a siding. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Also, I could find no reliable sources to establish notability. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Less Unless ( talk) 13:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Lynn, Ohio
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A Teahouse visitor has asserted, with coherent argument, that this place was never inhabited, and is merely a railway siding. I will copy their text as comments. Elemimele ( talk) 07:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- The teahouse-guest,
ClevelandExPat asked for correction of this article, initially posting the following text:
- "I have found an article that is very inaccurate in that it has turned a former mail stop along the old Pennsylvania Railroad tracks in Ohio into an "unincorporated community," which it never was. (No streets, no buildings other than an exterior platform and at most a mail distribution point - before Rural Free Delivery started in 1905. This place had no school, no churches, no grange or hall of any sort. Its simply a grade crossing created by a railroad. Portraying this as "community" is causing problems on other sites that insist that place was more than it was and as an unincorporated community that there were members of said "unincorporated community," when there were none. I just want the correct information to stand and remove this fictitious portrayal of what was a mail stop and perhaps a small post office that only functioned from 1895-1905 as an "unincorporated community" The factual information is already assembled, what remains is what to do with the "box" used for places. I just want this to be accurate, without deepening involvement. Is it possible to make this happen?"
- They subsequently added:
- "Thank you for the reply. USGS has a point on a map. And evidently, McGraw Hill maps do as well. However, Lynn, the railroad siding, was never occupied. Even as a postal sub-office, it existed as "Benzler" or "Lynn" had no residents, no place for people to gather. As for the defunct, yes, as of 1905 when its reason for being was closed with the advent of RFD routes. So it should be labeled as defunct in that its purpose for being ended 118 years ago. And it should be labeled as such, because there is nothing there. As for why people continue to list it on maps, it's probably "We have always done it that way," and the decision is being made by people who have never been there. If you look it up on Google maps, you'll see that there is just a crossing, nothing else. "
- Based on these arguments, it's not clear that this is genuinely a notable place. I am not an expert on US inhabited locations, and am therefore bringing it here, for the attention of those who are. Elemimele ( talk) 07:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Ohio. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I edited the article to say "...is a former post office and railroad siding ..." The article already had two references. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - "Unincorporated community" was sourced only to GNIS which is unreliable for that claim; the train station and post office do not indicate the presence of a community nor do they meet GNG. – dlthewave ☎ 18:25, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Post offices from that era do not necessarily correspond to communities; often they were just run out of a home or store and named after the owner. Better sourcing would be needed to establish as a notable place or community. Reywas92 Talk 02:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GEOLAND. There is no automatic notability for ex-post offices and railroad sidings, only for legally recognised communities, which this wasn't. The passing mentions cited clearly aren't enough to meet the WP:GNG. Hut 8.5 18:03, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Something not delete Are we sure the information is correct? I've found [1] which shows someone was the pastor of a church in Lynn, Ohio earlier in the 19th century and [2] talks about electors from Lynn, and also mentioned here: [3] - I don't know where that comes from, but are we absolutely sure about this one? Even if we are, the information here should be merged elsewhere. SportingFlyer T· C 20:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- See also [4] and [5] which shows the post office pre-dates what we currently have in the article, and [6] this from 1911. Though this could very well be referring to some other place in Ohio? Something's odd about this. SportingFlyer T· C 20:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- The electors are from Lynn Township, presumable Lynn Township, Hardin County, Ohio. – dlthewave ☎ 12:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Not a community, fails WP:GEOLAND. Avilich ( talk) 00:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I entered the coordinates in Google Earth. All that's there is a one-track railroad crossing over county road 123 (not even a state road). There's no sign of a station or a siding. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Also, I could find no reliable sources to establish notability. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.