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The result was merge to Gila River Indian Community. Legoktm ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Lone Butte Ranch, Arizona
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This is a ranch mislabeled as a populated place, and my search did not find significant coverage to meet GNG. – dlthewave ☎ 03:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. – dlthewave ☎ 03:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Lots of routine mentions in Phoenix area newspapers over many years (small plane crashed there, 6 year old boy fell of car running board and got hurt, 23 year shot in hunting accident, ranch listed for sale in 1958, etc.). It was a 2,069 acre ranch on the Gila River Indian Reservation. Plausible search term, but no viable redirect target - the reservation article is just a stub. MB 04:10, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merge The targeted article's text is so short (just "Lone Butte Ranch is a populated place situated in Maricopa County, Arizona, United States.[2] It has an estimated elevation of 1,112 feet (339 m) above sea level.[1] It is located on the Gila River Indian Community.[3]") that it can easily be merged. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am imagining that "Lone Butte Ranch" is the name of a former or current ranch operation, and I see that both the "Lone Butte" itself and the "Lone Butte Ranch" are within the reservation. The Gila River Indian Community article is faulty for not mentioning the butte, the ranch, or any of the tribe(?)'s business ventures. E.g. the mission of the Lone Butte Development Corporation (see brochure), not mentioned, is "To promote economic development for the Gila River Indian Community, develop reservation lands, create job opportunities for tribal members and generate revenue." Gila River Indian Community also has four casinos (see Gila River Lone Butte Casino Chandler). It remains to be discovered what the role of the Lone Butte Ranch is, whether it was an ongoing ranch operation or not, but the point location is upon a residential(?) development near the center of the reservation. I dunno, would it be the name for a census district covering one or more of the several residential areas on the reservation. Some info about all these would improve the Community article.
- Supposing we can't now determine what the ranch is or was, it still would improve the article to state simply that GNIS or whomever recorded "Lone Butte Ranch" being there. And in the future some reader might add some historical context. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Granted that I skimmed through your comment but what possible Merge target did you see? Because other editors saw no good article to redirect this page to.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Reply I don't see how there could be any doubt but that I was suggesting it be merged to the Gila River Indian Community article. For context, please look at the outline of the reservation in Google maps, and then search "Lone Butte Ranch" to verify for yourself that its point location is within the reservation area.
- To be clear: The current article, plus information which has come up in this AFD, should be merged to Gila River Indian Community, making a short paragraph there (probably not a section). With an anchor set there so that Lone Butte Ranch, Arizona can be redirected to Gila River Indian Community#Lone Butte Range. The material to merge is what's in the article, that it is a GNIS-designated "populated place" at a certain elevation, etc. And add that the populated place designation was created February 2, 1980. And add also that the GNIS feature "Lone Butte" itself is a landmark in the reservation, created as a GNIS entry at the same time. And that material should be expanded to include what User:MB identified, with whatever is their source, that the ranch was a 2,069 acre ranch and that it was listed for sale in 1958. I "imagine" again that the property was bought or otherwise acquired by the tribe(?), akin to how the reservation was expanded by other acquisitions and/or akin to how the tribe(?) acquired properties outside the reservation for its casinos, etc. My recommendation should not be dismissed because I have twice used the term "imagine"; it is absolutely not necessary to state anything speculative in the article, yet still to improve it by stating facts. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. For your information, see this nice satellite view of the Lone Butte, a significant landmark.
- And here is the actual relevant GNIS data for both the Ranch and the Butte, from GNIS directly:
FEATURE_ID|FEATURE_NAME|FEATURE_CLASS|STATE_ALPHA|STATE_NUMERIC|COUNTY_NAME|COUNTY_NUMERIC|PRIMARY_LAT_DMS|PRIM_LONG_DMS|PRIM_LAT_DEC|PRIM_LONG_DEC|SOURCE_LAT_DMS|SOURCE_LONG_DMS|SOURCE_LAT_DEC|SOURCE_LONG_DEC|ELEV_IN_M|ELEV_IN_FT|MAP_NAME|DATE_CREATED|DATE_EDITED
7288|Lone Butte|Summit|AZ|04|Maricopa|013|331543N|1120156W|33.2619878|-112.0323558|||||382|1253|Lone Butte|02/08/1980|08/21/2021
7290|Lone Butte Ranch|Populated Place|AZ|04|Maricopa|013|331357N|1120250W|33.2325488|-112.0470891|||||339|1112|Pima Butte|02/08/1980|
- I am giving it to you (meaning any potential closer) on a platter. To close this, you don't have to do the merger yourself, you just follow instructions at Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Closure, namely "If the consensus is to merge the article and the merger would be non-trivial, it is acceptable for the admin to only begin the article merger process by tagging the article," of course citing this AFD discussion. So use Template:Afd-merge to. IMHO it is clear that merger here improves the Wikipedia and is far better than deletion. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Gila River Indian Community. Legoktm ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Lone Butte Ranch, Arizona
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This is a ranch mislabeled as a populated place, and my search did not find significant coverage to meet GNG. – dlthewave ☎ 03:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. – dlthewave ☎ 03:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Lots of routine mentions in Phoenix area newspapers over many years (small plane crashed there, 6 year old boy fell of car running board and got hurt, 23 year shot in hunting accident, ranch listed for sale in 1958, etc.). It was a 2,069 acre ranch on the Gila River Indian Reservation. Plausible search term, but no viable redirect target - the reservation article is just a stub. MB 04:10, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merge The targeted article's text is so short (just "Lone Butte Ranch is a populated place situated in Maricopa County, Arizona, United States.[2] It has an estimated elevation of 1,112 feet (339 m) above sea level.[1] It is located on the Gila River Indian Community.[3]") that it can easily be merged. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am imagining that "Lone Butte Ranch" is the name of a former or current ranch operation, and I see that both the "Lone Butte" itself and the "Lone Butte Ranch" are within the reservation. The Gila River Indian Community article is faulty for not mentioning the butte, the ranch, or any of the tribe(?)'s business ventures. E.g. the mission of the Lone Butte Development Corporation (see brochure), not mentioned, is "To promote economic development for the Gila River Indian Community, develop reservation lands, create job opportunities for tribal members and generate revenue." Gila River Indian Community also has four casinos (see Gila River Lone Butte Casino Chandler). It remains to be discovered what the role of the Lone Butte Ranch is, whether it was an ongoing ranch operation or not, but the point location is upon a residential(?) development near the center of the reservation. I dunno, would it be the name for a census district covering one or more of the several residential areas on the reservation. Some info about all these would improve the Community article.
- Supposing we can't now determine what the ranch is or was, it still would improve the article to state simply that GNIS or whomever recorded "Lone Butte Ranch" being there. And in the future some reader might add some historical context. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Granted that I skimmed through your comment but what possible Merge target did you see? Because other editors saw no good article to redirect this page to.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Reply I don't see how there could be any doubt but that I was suggesting it be merged to the Gila River Indian Community article. For context, please look at the outline of the reservation in Google maps, and then search "Lone Butte Ranch" to verify for yourself that its point location is within the reservation area.
- To be clear: The current article, plus information which has come up in this AFD, should be merged to Gila River Indian Community, making a short paragraph there (probably not a section). With an anchor set there so that Lone Butte Ranch, Arizona can be redirected to Gila River Indian Community#Lone Butte Range. The material to merge is what's in the article, that it is a GNIS-designated "populated place" at a certain elevation, etc. And add that the populated place designation was created February 2, 1980. And add also that the GNIS feature "Lone Butte" itself is a landmark in the reservation, created as a GNIS entry at the same time. And that material should be expanded to include what User:MB identified, with whatever is their source, that the ranch was a 2,069 acre ranch and that it was listed for sale in 1958. I "imagine" again that the property was bought or otherwise acquired by the tribe(?), akin to how the reservation was expanded by other acquisitions and/or akin to how the tribe(?) acquired properties outside the reservation for its casinos, etc. My recommendation should not be dismissed because I have twice used the term "imagine"; it is absolutely not necessary to state anything speculative in the article, yet still to improve it by stating facts. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. For your information, see this nice satellite view of the Lone Butte, a significant landmark.
- And here is the actual relevant GNIS data for both the Ranch and the Butte, from GNIS directly:
FEATURE_ID|FEATURE_NAME|FEATURE_CLASS|STATE_ALPHA|STATE_NUMERIC|COUNTY_NAME|COUNTY_NUMERIC|PRIMARY_LAT_DMS|PRIM_LONG_DMS|PRIM_LAT_DEC|PRIM_LONG_DEC|SOURCE_LAT_DMS|SOURCE_LONG_DMS|SOURCE_LAT_DEC|SOURCE_LONG_DEC|ELEV_IN_M|ELEV_IN_FT|MAP_NAME|DATE_CREATED|DATE_EDITED
7288|Lone Butte|Summit|AZ|04|Maricopa|013|331543N|1120156W|33.2619878|-112.0323558|||||382|1253|Lone Butte|02/08/1980|08/21/2021
7290|Lone Butte Ranch|Populated Place|AZ|04|Maricopa|013|331357N|1120250W|33.2325488|-112.0470891|||||339|1112|Pima Butte|02/08/1980|
- I am giving it to you (meaning any potential closer) on a platter. To close this, you don't have to do the merger yourself, you just follow instructions at Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Closure, namely "If the consensus is to merge the article and the merger would be non-trivial, it is acceptable for the admin to only begin the article merger process by tagging the article," of course citing this AFD discussion. So use Template:Afd-merge to. IMHO it is clear that merger here improves the Wikipedia and is far better than deletion. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.