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The result was Nomination Withdrawn & Move. After Discussing this List I have come to the conclusion to withdraw my nomination, those who have discussed feel the page should be moved. (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 22:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
List of schools in Miyun District
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Non-notable long list of which only 3 entries have articles, only 3 sources. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 15:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, Geography, Lists, and China. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 15:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: The notability of this list extends from Education in Beijing. Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone_lists states: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines" and therefore "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." The set (the set being all government K-12 schools in Beijing muncipality) is discussed in Education_in_Beijing#Primary_and_secondary_education. However it is impossible to list all such schools in any single article, let alone in "Education in Beijing", so such schools are subdivided by district. By this reasoning, all lists of schools by Beijing district are notable.
- Additionally, consideration needs to be given to non-English speaking areas, in which Wikipedia editors usually find it harder to find sources for (so long as it is verifiable such entries exist). The Wikimedia Foundation wants to make efforts to combat Wikipedia:Systemic bias, and so giving consideration to such topics in non-English speaking places is very, very important.
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WhisperToMe (
talk) 01:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- If this qualifies for that, we should at least split this list to have smaller lists for each school district.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 23:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
PaulGamerBoy360: China doesn't have independent "
school districts" the way they are in the United States. The district governments (that is, of
Chaoyang District,
Xicheng District, etc) operate some of their own schools, while some other schools are operated by Beijing municipality (that is, by the central government of Beijing, which is the equivalent of the
provinces of China). The "List of schools in ABC district" already differentiate the former, but also include Beijing Municipality-operated and private schools located in each respective district. For example,
List of schools in Chaoyang District, Beijing includes schools operated by the government of Chaoyang District, schools operated by Beijing Municipality within Chaoyang District, and private schools in Chaoyang District.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe I didn't realize they weren't set up the same, I now realize this list should be kept but I do feel it should be renamed to
List of Educational Institutions in Miyun, Beijing. The Reason for that is this list includes Universities, High Schools, Vocational Schools, Special Education Institutions, Experimental Education, and Unspecified Schools. I feel that a name change would better fit the content of the list.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine with the list including universities! (in Chinese, the word for "schools" (学校) includes universities, but in English often "schools and universities" is said as a distinct phrase, as universities are often counted separately in that language). Also, note that universities have multiple campuses, with several having campuses in multiple Beijing districts.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @ WhisperToMe
- Yes I am ok with it having universities as well, but I was wondering about a name change.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 20:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am also in favor of a name change! "Educational institutions" is a better fit for an English page that includes universities
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe should i close this discusion as a nom withdrawn & move the page?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 20:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine with that! (And any of the other respective pages about education by Beijing district, and education by Shenzhen district, may be moved for the same reason) WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe should i close this discusion as a nom withdrawn & move the page?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 20:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am also in favor of a name change! "Educational institutions" is a better fit for an English page that includes universities
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine with the list including universities! (in Chinese, the word for "schools" (学校) includes universities, but in English often "schools and universities" is said as a distinct phrase, as universities are often counted separately in that language). Also, note that universities have multiple campuses, with several having campuses in multiple Beijing districts.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe I didn't realize they weren't set up the same, I now realize this list should be kept but I do feel it should be renamed to
List of Educational Institutions in Miyun, Beijing. The Reason for that is this list includes Universities, High Schools, Vocational Schools, Special Education Institutions, Experimental Education, and Unspecified Schools. I feel that a name change would better fit the content of the list.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
PaulGamerBoy360: China doesn't have independent "
school districts" the way they are in the United States. The district governments (that is, of
Chaoyang District,
Xicheng District, etc) operate some of their own schools, while some other schools are operated by Beijing municipality (that is, by the central government of Beijing, which is the equivalent of the
provinces of China). The "List of schools in ABC district" already differentiate the former, but also include Beijing Municipality-operated and private schools located in each respective district. For example,
List of schools in Chaoyang District, Beijing includes schools operated by the government of Chaoyang District, schools operated by Beijing Municipality within Chaoyang District, and private schools in Chaoyang District.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- If this qualifies for that, we should at least split this list to have smaller lists for each school district.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 23:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Nomination Withdrawn & Move. After Discussing this List I have come to the conclusion to withdraw my nomination, those who have discussed feel the page should be moved. (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 22:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
List of schools in Miyun District
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Non-notable long list of which only 3 entries have articles, only 3 sources. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 15:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, Geography, Lists, and China. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 15:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: The notability of this list extends from Education in Beijing. Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone_lists states: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines" and therefore "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." The set (the set being all government K-12 schools in Beijing muncipality) is discussed in Education_in_Beijing#Primary_and_secondary_education. However it is impossible to list all such schools in any single article, let alone in "Education in Beijing", so such schools are subdivided by district. By this reasoning, all lists of schools by Beijing district are notable.
- Additionally, consideration needs to be given to non-English speaking areas, in which Wikipedia editors usually find it harder to find sources for (so long as it is verifiable such entries exist). The Wikimedia Foundation wants to make efforts to combat Wikipedia:Systemic bias, and so giving consideration to such topics in non-English speaking places is very, very important.
-
WhisperToMe (
talk) 01:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- If this qualifies for that, we should at least split this list to have smaller lists for each school district.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 23:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
PaulGamerBoy360: China doesn't have independent "
school districts" the way they are in the United States. The district governments (that is, of
Chaoyang District,
Xicheng District, etc) operate some of their own schools, while some other schools are operated by Beijing municipality (that is, by the central government of Beijing, which is the equivalent of the
provinces of China). The "List of schools in ABC district" already differentiate the former, but also include Beijing Municipality-operated and private schools located in each respective district. For example,
List of schools in Chaoyang District, Beijing includes schools operated by the government of Chaoyang District, schools operated by Beijing Municipality within Chaoyang District, and private schools in Chaoyang District.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe I didn't realize they weren't set up the same, I now realize this list should be kept but I do feel it should be renamed to
List of Educational Institutions in Miyun, Beijing. The Reason for that is this list includes Universities, High Schools, Vocational Schools, Special Education Institutions, Experimental Education, and Unspecified Schools. I feel that a name change would better fit the content of the list.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine with the list including universities! (in Chinese, the word for "schools" (学校) includes universities, but in English often "schools and universities" is said as a distinct phrase, as universities are often counted separately in that language). Also, note that universities have multiple campuses, with several having campuses in multiple Beijing districts.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @ WhisperToMe
- Yes I am ok with it having universities as well, but I was wondering about a name change.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 20:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am also in favor of a name change! "Educational institutions" is a better fit for an English page that includes universities
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe should i close this discusion as a nom withdrawn & move the page?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 20:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine with that! (And any of the other respective pages about education by Beijing district, and education by Shenzhen district, may be moved for the same reason) WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe should i close this discusion as a nom withdrawn & move the page?
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 20:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am also in favor of a name change! "Educational institutions" is a better fit for an English page that includes universities
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine with the list including universities! (in Chinese, the word for "schools" (学校) includes universities, but in English often "schools and universities" is said as a distinct phrase, as universities are often counted separately in that language). Also, note that universities have multiple campuses, with several having campuses in multiple Beijing districts.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe I didn't realize they weren't set up the same, I now realize this list should be kept but I do feel it should be renamed to
List of Educational Institutions in Miyun, Beijing. The Reason for that is this list includes Universities, High Schools, Vocational Schools, Special Education Institutions, Experimental Education, and Unspecified Schools. I feel that a name change would better fit the content of the list.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
PaulGamerBoy360: China doesn't have independent "
school districts" the way they are in the United States. The district governments (that is, of
Chaoyang District,
Xicheng District, etc) operate some of their own schools, while some other schools are operated by Beijing municipality (that is, by the central government of Beijing, which is the equivalent of the
provinces of China). The "List of schools in ABC district" already differentiate the former, but also include Beijing Municipality-operated and private schools located in each respective district. For example,
List of schools in Chaoyang District, Beijing includes schools operated by the government of Chaoyang District, schools operated by Beijing Municipality within Chaoyang District, and private schools in Chaoyang District.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 20:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- If this qualifies for that, we should at least split this list to have smaller lists for each school district.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk) 23:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.