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The result was delete. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 12:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
List of Arsenal F.C. hat-tricks
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Article is incomplete, very much WP:OR, there isn't any football articles like this one, no prose to detail the importance of this. 5.65.53.211 ( talk) 12:42, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Copied from Talk:List of Arsenal F.C. hat-tricks no comment about deletion from me. GB fan 12:54, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment.
List of England national football team hat-tricks,
List of FIFA World Cup hat-tricks and
List of Premier League hat-tricks are all
featured lists. Arsenal F.C. is now part of the Premier League but predates its formation by over 100 years, so there is only recent overlap between the Premier League hat trick list and this team-specific one.
On the merits of the nom, if the list is incomplete that is something to be fixed through normal editing. Deletion will not make it complete. It can only be OR if it is unverifiable, but given that the entire list is cited to 11v11.com, "the official site of the Association of Football Statisticians" (and so what appears to be a reliable source), that claim doesn't seem credible. Presumably the "prose to detail the importance" of recording hat-tricks would be at hat-trick.
So in my view, the only meaningful question here is whether it makes sense to be listing these out by team. That the England national football team list is a featured list tells us that the community-supported answer is, at the very least, "sometimes." I don't know if there are other lists for association football teams (there doesn't appear to be any master list or category for all hat-trick lists). Some teams just appear to have aggregate statistics or records for hat-tricks, such as at List of Manchester United F.C. records and statistics (listing the goal scorers with the team-record fastest hat-tricks and most hat-tricks). postdlf ( talk) 18:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Whilst WC / EPL hat tricks may have achieved wider coverage as a topic, I can see no evidence that hat-tricks by Arsenal players have attracted any significant reliable coverage as a subject in themselves. The charge of OR is incorrect however. Incomplete does not equal OR, plus all the hat tricks are referenced. Fenix down ( talk) 09:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 13:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete – no evidence this is a stand-alone topic outside of Wikipedia. C 679 13:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 12:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
List of Arsenal F.C. hat-tricks
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Article is incomplete, very much WP:OR, there isn't any football articles like this one, no prose to detail the importance of this. 5.65.53.211 ( talk) 12:42, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Copied from Talk:List of Arsenal F.C. hat-tricks no comment about deletion from me. GB fan 12:54, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:57, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment.
List of England national football team hat-tricks,
List of FIFA World Cup hat-tricks and
List of Premier League hat-tricks are all
featured lists. Arsenal F.C. is now part of the Premier League but predates its formation by over 100 years, so there is only recent overlap between the Premier League hat trick list and this team-specific one.
On the merits of the nom, if the list is incomplete that is something to be fixed through normal editing. Deletion will not make it complete. It can only be OR if it is unverifiable, but given that the entire list is cited to 11v11.com, "the official site of the Association of Football Statisticians" (and so what appears to be a reliable source), that claim doesn't seem credible. Presumably the "prose to detail the importance" of recording hat-tricks would be at hat-trick.
So in my view, the only meaningful question here is whether it makes sense to be listing these out by team. That the England national football team list is a featured list tells us that the community-supported answer is, at the very least, "sometimes." I don't know if there are other lists for association football teams (there doesn't appear to be any master list or category for all hat-trick lists). Some teams just appear to have aggregate statistics or records for hat-tricks, such as at List of Manchester United F.C. records and statistics (listing the goal scorers with the team-record fastest hat-tricks and most hat-tricks). postdlf ( talk) 18:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Whilst WC / EPL hat tricks may have achieved wider coverage as a topic, I can see no evidence that hat-tricks by Arsenal players have attracted any significant reliable coverage as a subject in themselves. The charge of OR is incorrect however. Incomplete does not equal OR, plus all the hat tricks are referenced. Fenix down ( talk) 09:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 13:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete – no evidence this is a stand-alone topic outside of Wikipedia. C 679 13:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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