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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 12:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Laypeople
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Basically a dicdef with a list of examples, rather than an encyclopedic topic. This should be deleted, and all of the incoming links unlinked. BD2412 T 23:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- This should be kept in some form as the term is ambiguous between at least two topics with encyclopedic coverage: 1) a member of the Laity, and 2) someone who's not an expert (see Expert#Associated terms). I can see that doubts may be raised about the encyclopedicity of the second meaning, and in that case the page should be turned into a redirect for the first. Also noting that one of the incoming redirects is Layperson, which was an article that got merged, so it may need to be preserved. – Uanfala ( talk) 13:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep pretty much as is. Hyperbolick ( talk) 02:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, it seems that the nominator's rationale for deletion is that this
WP:DAB page should be deleted because it's a disambiguation page? This is clearly a likely search term, where there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that term may be expected to lead. It is therefore suitable for inclusion. The term also receives significant coverage in reliable sources and would probably survive
WP:AFD if it were turned into a
WP:BCA.
SailingInABathTub (
talk) 21:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think readers would be better served by a soft redirect to
Wikt:layperson.
BD2412
T 21:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirecting to Wiktionary may be appropriate in some cases, but only if none of the meanings are covered on Wikipedia (see the documentation at Template:Wiktionary redirect). If we have an article here about at least one of those meanings, then we shouldn't be sending readers away to another project. – Uanfala ( talk) 22:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think readers would be better served by a soft redirect to
Wikt:layperson.
BD2412
T 21:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the arguments presented above clearly demonstrating the need for this disambiguation. As I've been trying to clear up links to this page, I can see the page is often linked to unnecessarily as a dicdef (usually when it is used in a secular context) but this is not an issue with this page and is fixable. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 12:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Laypeople
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- Laypeople ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Basically a dicdef with a list of examples, rather than an encyclopedic topic. This should be deleted, and all of the incoming links unlinked. BD2412 T 23:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- This should be kept in some form as the term is ambiguous between at least two topics with encyclopedic coverage: 1) a member of the Laity, and 2) someone who's not an expert (see Expert#Associated terms). I can see that doubts may be raised about the encyclopedicity of the second meaning, and in that case the page should be turned into a redirect for the first. Also noting that one of the incoming redirects is Layperson, which was an article that got merged, so it may need to be preserved. – Uanfala ( talk) 13:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep pretty much as is. Hyperbolick ( talk) 02:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, it seems that the nominator's rationale for deletion is that this
WP:DAB page should be deleted because it's a disambiguation page? This is clearly a likely search term, where there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that term may be expected to lead. It is therefore suitable for inclusion. The term also receives significant coverage in reliable sources and would probably survive
WP:AFD if it were turned into a
WP:BCA.
SailingInABathTub (
talk) 21:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think readers would be better served by a soft redirect to
Wikt:layperson.
BD2412
T 21:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirecting to Wiktionary may be appropriate in some cases, but only if none of the meanings are covered on Wikipedia (see the documentation at Template:Wiktionary redirect). If we have an article here about at least one of those meanings, then we shouldn't be sending readers away to another project. – Uanfala ( talk) 22:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think readers would be better served by a soft redirect to
Wikt:layperson.
BD2412
T 21:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the arguments presented above clearly demonstrating the need for this disambiguation. As I've been trying to clear up links to this page, I can see the page is often linked to unnecessarily as a dicdef (usually when it is used in a secular context) but this is not an issue with this page and is fixable. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.