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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 13:11, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Khan Joynul
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Not a notable person, this article is already deleted once but recreated by the author. Kitaab Ka Kida ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment As, I am the creater I have to say something. When it was deleted it had around 5 references. I was not online then. It was deleted by User:RHaworth (He deleted pages like Maya Rani Paul, Jogesh Chandra Barman and Narayan Rao Tarale which were created by mine. I think he has a bad habits in deleting stub articles. This time I did not knock him as he replied late that my experience say so I recreate it). I can provide you only one English source ( Comedy stars through the ages). If you think, an article having lack of non English sources should be deleted, you can delete it and vote for delete. And if you think a country's legendary comedian's article should be kept on Wikipedia, you can keep it and vote for keep. Thanks. -- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 18:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. ~ riley ( talk) 19:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. ~ riley ( talk) 19:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Courtesy ping to RHaworth as his alleged bad habits have been brought up at this AfD but I'm not sure he's been made aware of it and it might be behind his back. The AfD nom. has previously raised invalid CSD [1] which creator had removed and seemingly an edit war ensued. Nom didn't inform creator of AfD but creator has found it anyway. Nom has also failed to sign this AfD. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 09:49, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- 'Neutral (withdrawing this !vote and leaving to consensus ... probably )
Speedy keep: (Technical) per WP:SKCRIT(This !vote from oldid=931005937 is restored after being nuked by RHaworth for now reasons .. probably accidently on edit edit conflict ... I have said what I have said on a log be it right or wrong or stupid or whatever and it should not probably be deleted unless there is a very good reason even if restoring it gets me in my usual trouble or blocked. Thankyou Djm-leighpark ( talk) 11:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC))a:22:a Frivolous or vexatious nom. after edit war dispute following a WP:CSD raised with no valid criteria. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 09:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) - Comment: It is comes down to
WP:RS and there's a reliance on foreign language sources I would suggest as a minimum the author or other interested parties elaborate the article cites ensuring trans-title,last,first,date,website,lang (or equivalents) are all populated where possible and three best are presented per
WP:THREE suggestion. Thankyou.
Djm-leighpark (
talk) 10:06, 16 December 2019 (UTC)(This comment from oldid=931005937 is restored after being nuked by RHaworth for now reasons .. probably accidently on edit edit conflict ... I have said what I have said on a log be it right or wrong or stupid or whatever and it should not probably be deleted unless there is a very good reason even if restoring it gets me in my usual trouble or blocked. Thankyou
Djm-leighpark (
talk) 11:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC))
- Okay ... I've done the trans-title's on this occasion. Have a feeling some of the sources are passing mention only but The kings of laughter in the movie likely saved his his eyebrows which should be in the article. As it is I pretty well might as well be looking at IMDB as this wikipedia article. In the end imdb alone probably indicates passes WP:NACTOR as he seemshigh up the credits ... but I'm not expert at this. I think I'll stay off !voting. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:56, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The claim of "legendary" is probably true. Let us hope that someone will go to the trouble of finding paper sources, ie. newspaper articles, etc. from the guy's heyday. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 10:22, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. As per User:RHaworth- Nahal (T) 23:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: I have just reverted a strange corruption of the above vote comment by the nom., whilst probably a typo mistake rather than malicious people make wish to view history for details. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 07:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Not only has this article been deleted and recreated, but the creator of the article, User:S. M. Nazmus Shakib consistently and purposely removes CSD tags that have been placed on articles that he/she has created. Unfortunately, the user seems to have no regard for rules or regulations when it comes to article deletion or creation. Furthermore, this article itself was nominated CSD and the user removed that tag as well. Dr42 ( talk) 02:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Khan does not meet
WP:GNG or
WP:N and certainly does not meet
WP:SIGCOV. Simply put under
WP:N and applicable here, Joynul fails to meet the requirement as he "has [failed to] receive significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject[.]" Therefore, "it is presumed to [not] be suitable for a stand-alone article." (Emphasis added).
Dr42 (
talk) 02:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
-
Dr42 those who acted in multiple notable films in significant role they are notable and passed
WP:NACTOR. And even he is considered as legend. I think you will review your vote.
S. M. Nazmus Shakib (
talk) 02:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Please point me to your sources and I will reconsider. I attempted to identify sources for ten minutes to no avail. I judged the article on its merits. Indeed, we shouldn't even have had this discussion because had you not originally deleted the CSD tag for an article that you created yourself, it may have already been resolved. However, show me your proof and if it meets the guidelines I will reconsider. But as of right now, I do not agree with you and my vote remains delete.
Dr42 (
talk) 03:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Dr42 yes, I recreated the article after CSD deletion. I have mentioned above why I recrearted. An article deleted in CSD didn't mean that there is 0% chance of his notability. And here deleting adminstrator himself vote for keep. S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 05:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Please point me to your sources and I will reconsider. I attempted to identify sources for ten minutes to no avail. I judged the article on its merits. Indeed, we shouldn't even have had this discussion because had you not originally deleted the CSD tag for an article that you created yourself, it may have already been resolved. However, show me your proof and if it meets the guidelines I will reconsider. But as of right now, I do not agree with you and my vote remains delete.
Dr42 (
talk) 03:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
-
Dr42 those who acted in multiple notable films in significant role they are notable and passed
WP:NACTOR. And even he is considered as legend. I think you will review your vote.
S. M. Nazmus Shakib (
talk) 02:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Suggest relisting. There's no good RS in English (The Comedy Stars Through The Ages is too brief a treatment of the subject to be much use in proving notability) but given the fact that he died pre-internet and that his films were not in English this is not surprising. In looking at IMDB it does appear that he had leading roles in multiple films so WP:NACTOR may be met here if sources can be located. My guess is that any reliable online sources to be found on this individual will be in the Bengali-language. I am going to leave a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh to see if anyone there may be able to assist in locating RS in Bengali. If that yields nothing, then we can delete in confidence knowing that we at least attempted to do a proper WP:BEFORE. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:34, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No RS that would confirm GNG have yet been provided at this AfD, however, there is a recognition that good en-RS could be hard to find, and thus a re-list is needed
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance ( talk) 00:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: No RS that would confirm GNG have yet been provided at this AfD, however, there is a recognition that good en-RS could be hard to find, and thus a re-list is needed
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance ( talk) 00:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 13:11, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Khan Joynul
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Not a notable person, this article is already deleted once but recreated by the author. Kitaab Ka Kida ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment As, I am the creater I have to say something. When it was deleted it had around 5 references. I was not online then. It was deleted by User:RHaworth (He deleted pages like Maya Rani Paul, Jogesh Chandra Barman and Narayan Rao Tarale which were created by mine. I think he has a bad habits in deleting stub articles. This time I did not knock him as he replied late that my experience say so I recreate it). I can provide you only one English source ( Comedy stars through the ages). If you think, an article having lack of non English sources should be deleted, you can delete it and vote for delete. And if you think a country's legendary comedian's article should be kept on Wikipedia, you can keep it and vote for keep. Thanks. -- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 18:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. ~ riley ( talk) 19:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. ~ riley ( talk) 19:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Courtesy ping to RHaworth as his alleged bad habits have been brought up at this AfD but I'm not sure he's been made aware of it and it might be behind his back. The AfD nom. has previously raised invalid CSD [1] which creator had removed and seemingly an edit war ensued. Nom didn't inform creator of AfD but creator has found it anyway. Nom has also failed to sign this AfD. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 09:49, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- 'Neutral (withdrawing this !vote and leaving to consensus ... probably )
Speedy keep: (Technical) per WP:SKCRIT(This !vote from oldid=931005937 is restored after being nuked by RHaworth for now reasons .. probably accidently on edit edit conflict ... I have said what I have said on a log be it right or wrong or stupid or whatever and it should not probably be deleted unless there is a very good reason even if restoring it gets me in my usual trouble or blocked. Thankyou Djm-leighpark ( talk) 11:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC))a:22:a Frivolous or vexatious nom. after edit war dispute following a WP:CSD raised with no valid criteria. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 09:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) - Comment: It is comes down to
WP:RS and there's a reliance on foreign language sources I would suggest as a minimum the author or other interested parties elaborate the article cites ensuring trans-title,last,first,date,website,lang (or equivalents) are all populated where possible and three best are presented per
WP:THREE suggestion. Thankyou.
Djm-leighpark (
talk) 10:06, 16 December 2019 (UTC)(This comment from oldid=931005937 is restored after being nuked by RHaworth for now reasons .. probably accidently on edit edit conflict ... I have said what I have said on a log be it right or wrong or stupid or whatever and it should not probably be deleted unless there is a very good reason even if restoring it gets me in my usual trouble or blocked. Thankyou
Djm-leighpark (
talk) 11:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC))
- Okay ... I've done the trans-title's on this occasion. Have a feeling some of the sources are passing mention only but The kings of laughter in the movie likely saved his his eyebrows which should be in the article. As it is I pretty well might as well be looking at IMDB as this wikipedia article. In the end imdb alone probably indicates passes WP:NACTOR as he seemshigh up the credits ... but I'm not expert at this. I think I'll stay off !voting. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:56, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The claim of "legendary" is probably true. Let us hope that someone will go to the trouble of finding paper sources, ie. newspaper articles, etc. from the guy's heyday. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 10:22, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. As per User:RHaworth- Nahal (T) 23:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: I have just reverted a strange corruption of the above vote comment by the nom., whilst probably a typo mistake rather than malicious people make wish to view history for details. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 07:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Not only has this article been deleted and recreated, but the creator of the article, User:S. M. Nazmus Shakib consistently and purposely removes CSD tags that have been placed on articles that he/she has created. Unfortunately, the user seems to have no regard for rules or regulations when it comes to article deletion or creation. Furthermore, this article itself was nominated CSD and the user removed that tag as well. Dr42 ( talk) 02:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Khan does not meet
WP:GNG or
WP:N and certainly does not meet
WP:SIGCOV. Simply put under
WP:N and applicable here, Joynul fails to meet the requirement as he "has [failed to] receive significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject[.]" Therefore, "it is presumed to [not] be suitable for a stand-alone article." (Emphasis added).
Dr42 (
talk) 02:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
-
Dr42 those who acted in multiple notable films in significant role they are notable and passed
WP:NACTOR. And even he is considered as legend. I think you will review your vote.
S. M. Nazmus Shakib (
talk) 02:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Please point me to your sources and I will reconsider. I attempted to identify sources for ten minutes to no avail. I judged the article on its merits. Indeed, we shouldn't even have had this discussion because had you not originally deleted the CSD tag for an article that you created yourself, it may have already been resolved. However, show me your proof and if it meets the guidelines I will reconsider. But as of right now, I do not agree with you and my vote remains delete.
Dr42 (
talk) 03:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Dr42 yes, I recreated the article after CSD deletion. I have mentioned above why I recrearted. An article deleted in CSD didn't mean that there is 0% chance of his notability. And here deleting adminstrator himself vote for keep. S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 05:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Please point me to your sources and I will reconsider. I attempted to identify sources for ten minutes to no avail. I judged the article on its merits. Indeed, we shouldn't even have had this discussion because had you not originally deleted the CSD tag for an article that you created yourself, it may have already been resolved. However, show me your proof and if it meets the guidelines I will reconsider. But as of right now, I do not agree with you and my vote remains delete.
Dr42 (
talk) 03:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
-
Dr42 those who acted in multiple notable films in significant role they are notable and passed
WP:NACTOR. And even he is considered as legend. I think you will review your vote.
S. M. Nazmus Shakib (
talk) 02:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Suggest relisting. There's no good RS in English (The Comedy Stars Through The Ages is too brief a treatment of the subject to be much use in proving notability) but given the fact that he died pre-internet and that his films were not in English this is not surprising. In looking at IMDB it does appear that he had leading roles in multiple films so WP:NACTOR may be met here if sources can be located. My guess is that any reliable online sources to be found on this individual will be in the Bengali-language. I am going to leave a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh to see if anyone there may be able to assist in locating RS in Bengali. If that yields nothing, then we can delete in confidence knowing that we at least attempted to do a proper WP:BEFORE. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:34, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No RS that would confirm GNG have yet been provided at this AfD, however, there is a recognition that good en-RS could be hard to find, and thus a re-list is needed
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance ( talk) 00:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: No RS that would confirm GNG have yet been provided at this AfD, however, there is a recognition that good en-RS could be hard to find, and thus a re-list is needed
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance ( talk) 00:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.