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The result was keep. Randykitty ( talk) 14:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Joel Hardin
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Bio which appears to fail WP:GNG. Article has existed since 2007, was PRODded a few months after creation but this was immediately contested by the author. There has been little improvement since then. Provided external links are to the subject's own business, an interview with the subject and an article which looks like it might be a decent source but which is paywalled. My searching turned up nothing better. (Note: Article was originally tagged for deletion by Saintstephen000 without followup.) -- Finngall talk 22:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Police and Idaho. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Reeks of promotion, but this one might be notable. He's mentioned in this NYT obituary for another person as a "leading tracker" [1] and I think this article is about him, but it's paywalled [2] Oaktree b ( talk) 00:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @ Oaktree b: I archived that link for you so we can see it. To see a paywalled link put the url in archive.ph and it will usually archive a full copy like this link. It works for the NYT also Lightburst ( talk) 21:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Unreferenced BLP, no IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Literally nothing in this article is sourced and the sources above have very little and no info about the subject. The second source above is to a law journal, I don't think (could be wrong) its about them; either way a single source behind a paywall without V info would not pass N. BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse. // Timothy :: talk 23:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst ( talk) 21:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Indeed the article was badly sourced, but that's not a reason to delete (it's a reason to improve). I've not spent enough time to say if it amounts to significant coverage, but plenty about him in Google books where he seems frequently identified as an expert in his field and someone that authors of outdoor books appear to have written about several times. This does suggest notability, even if I've not really dug into this deeply. Leaning keep.
CT55555(
talk) 21:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Further comment. He was described on 20/20 (American TV program) an an expert tracker here: MUIR, D.; ROBACH, A. 30 Years Searching. 20/20 (ABC), [s. l.], p. 1, 2020. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bwh&AN=143601667&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 28 mar. 2023.
- Link to episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2PvC7wiD_8&ab_channel=reelDotun CT55555( talk) 21:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Update: Keep. Significant coverage exists and can found easily by searching in the Wikipedia Library.
- HANSEN, M. He Tries Men’s Soles. ABA Journal, [s. l.], v. 96, n. 5, p. 3, 2010. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=52585242&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 28 mar. 2023.
- Meets at least WP:BASIC and maybe WP:GNG. CT55555( talk) 21:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep He meets our notability guidelines. He is commonly referred to as an expert in his field. 1, and referred to as world renown, 2 and 3 and debunking a Bigfoot hoax 4. Police hire him as a tracking expert 5.There is more but we have enough to show that he is an expert in his field anybio#2. Bruxton ( talk) 22:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- One clear Keep this, considering the amount of sources supporting the subject's notability as a person. The sources might not be international publications but are reliable and adequate in number. - The Gnome ( talk) 08:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Randykitty ( talk) 14:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Joel Hardin
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Bio which appears to fail WP:GNG. Article has existed since 2007, was PRODded a few months after creation but this was immediately contested by the author. There has been little improvement since then. Provided external links are to the subject's own business, an interview with the subject and an article which looks like it might be a decent source but which is paywalled. My searching turned up nothing better. (Note: Article was originally tagged for deletion by Saintstephen000 without followup.) -- Finngall talk 22:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Police and Idaho. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Reeks of promotion, but this one might be notable. He's mentioned in this NYT obituary for another person as a "leading tracker" [1] and I think this article is about him, but it's paywalled [2] Oaktree b ( talk) 00:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @ Oaktree b: I archived that link for you so we can see it. To see a paywalled link put the url in archive.ph and it will usually archive a full copy like this link. It works for the NYT also Lightburst ( talk) 21:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Unreferenced BLP, no IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Literally nothing in this article is sourced and the sources above have very little and no info about the subject. The second source above is to a law journal, I don't think (could be wrong) its about them; either way a single source behind a paywall without V info would not pass N. BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse. // Timothy :: talk 23:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst ( talk) 21:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Indeed the article was badly sourced, but that's not a reason to delete (it's a reason to improve). I've not spent enough time to say if it amounts to significant coverage, but plenty about him in Google books where he seems frequently identified as an expert in his field and someone that authors of outdoor books appear to have written about several times. This does suggest notability, even if I've not really dug into this deeply. Leaning keep.
CT55555(
talk) 21:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Further comment. He was described on 20/20 (American TV program) an an expert tracker here: MUIR, D.; ROBACH, A. 30 Years Searching. 20/20 (ABC), [s. l.], p. 1, 2020. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bwh&AN=143601667&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 28 mar. 2023.
- Link to episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2PvC7wiD_8&ab_channel=reelDotun CT55555( talk) 21:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Update: Keep. Significant coverage exists and can found easily by searching in the Wikipedia Library.
- HANSEN, M. He Tries Men’s Soles. ABA Journal, [s. l.], v. 96, n. 5, p. 3, 2010. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=52585242&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 28 mar. 2023.
- Meets at least WP:BASIC and maybe WP:GNG. CT55555( talk) 21:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep He meets our notability guidelines. He is commonly referred to as an expert in his field. 1, and referred to as world renown, 2 and 3 and debunking a Bigfoot hoax 4. Police hire him as a tracking expert 5.There is more but we have enough to show that he is an expert in his field anybio#2. Bruxton ( talk) 22:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- One clear Keep this, considering the amount of sources supporting the subject's notability as a person. The sources might not be international publications but are reliable and adequate in number. - The Gnome ( talk) 08:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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