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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 22:29, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Evergreen International Airlines Flight 17
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Not notable aviation accident. Cargo plane crashes are common. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: While this is a pretty run-of-the-mill plane crash, a result of it being the FAA issuing regulations for cargo door warning alarms possibly meets
WP:LASTING, but it's not a particularly huge change. Having said that, I don't really know if that was a significant enough avionics improvement to be that notable, and also for a lot of plane crashes the FAA will issue some sort of new regulations to prevent that from happening again, so it's a bit of a toss-up. I don't really have a leaning either way here. I feel like keeping or deleting both are valid arguments.
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Say Hi! (talk)) 14:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC) - Delete Not particularly significant as a cargo aircraft a mention in the accidents and incidents section of McDonnell Douglas DC-9 would be better. MilborneOne ( talk) 08:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This was a total hull loss and was a fatal accident too. Also, cargo door regulation changes for Evergreen and for McDonnell Douglas were significantly revised. Appears to pass WP:AIRCRASH. We also already do have American Airlines Flight 96, which was even less of an incident but just because it is a cargo aircraft, doesn't mean it is non-notable every time. Seems like this one checks out. Username006 ( talk) 11:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Accident was a hull loss with fatalities, and the tragedy led to cargo door regulation changes. TH1980 ( talk) 03:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Hull loss with fatalities, meets WP:AIRCRASH. 𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 17:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep After reading other votes and WP:AIRCRASH, I have been sway from my initial comment that this does pass WP:LASTING due to the regulations. snood1205( Say Hi! (talk)) 18:33, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 22:29, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Evergreen International Airlines Flight 17
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Not notable aviation accident. Cargo plane crashes are common. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: While this is a pretty run-of-the-mill plane crash, a result of it being the FAA issuing regulations for cargo door warning alarms possibly meets
WP:LASTING, but it's not a particularly huge change. Having said that, I don't really know if that was a significant enough avionics improvement to be that notable, and also for a lot of plane crashes the FAA will issue some sort of new regulations to prevent that from happening again, so it's a bit of a toss-up. I don't really have a leaning either way here. I feel like keeping or deleting both are valid arguments.
snood1205(
Say Hi! (talk)) 14:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Not particularly significant as a cargo aircraft a mention in the accidents and incidents section of McDonnell Douglas DC-9 would be better. MilborneOne ( talk) 08:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This was a total hull loss and was a fatal accident too. Also, cargo door regulation changes for Evergreen and for McDonnell Douglas were significantly revised. Appears to pass WP:AIRCRASH. We also already do have American Airlines Flight 96, which was even less of an incident but just because it is a cargo aircraft, doesn't mean it is non-notable every time. Seems like this one checks out. Username006 ( talk) 11:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 18:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Accident was a hull loss with fatalities, and the tragedy led to cargo door regulation changes. TH1980 ( talk) 03:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Hull loss with fatalities, meets WP:AIRCRASH. 𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 17:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep After reading other votes and WP:AIRCRASH, I have been sway from my initial comment that this does pass WP:LASTING due to the regulations. snood1205( Say Hi! (talk)) 18:33, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
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