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The result was delete. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 00:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Daykeeper
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Completely unsourced article containing only trivia and originally about the Mayan calendar. This content could be merged into Maya calendar or just deleted. -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 13:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC) Salimfadhley ( talk) 13:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- MergeThis topic isn't noteibal for its own article however the information would be useful on the artical about the Maya calender.-- Jeffrd10 ( talk) 13:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep:
This fairly reliable-looking source, which describes daykeepers in modern Maya society in detail, implies that the subject is quite notable. (The Mayan term is ajq'ij or ajk'ij apparently.)
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 14:24, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment: see also Maya priesthood#Offices which mentions (briefly) the same concept as the 16th century Ah k'in and ibid.#The Mesoamerican Maya priesthood after the Conquest as the contemporary ajk'ij. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 14:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Don't delete. I don't care whether we keep or merge it, but we have substantial coverage in a book produced by
University of New Mexico Press (Hasirpad's link), and that alone suggests that there's probably more. Merger is the only helpful option if we don't keep it as a separate article.
Nyttend (
talk) 15:20, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- If merged, the appropriate target is probably Maya priesthood, where, as I mentioned "daykeepers" (by other names) are briefly discussed. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Note: I've notified WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas to request their input. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:54, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Delete as unsourced.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 21:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
- Pardon me, but unsourced articles (except for BLPs) are not deleted; unsourceable ones are. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 23:53, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Go ahead and source it then. Xxanthippe ( talk) 23:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
- Delete as WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH. The source Hasirpad cites refers to an ethnographic study of contemporary highland Guatemalan culture. That is not necessarily the same thing as pre-Columbian Mayan culture in the Yucatán, although clearly the cultures are closely related. We could certainly use more quality sourced material on the culture and history of the Maya peoples, but even with better content, I'd be calling for a merge of this article to Tzolk'in. As it is, WP:BLOWITUP. -- 101.119.14.226 ( talk) 00:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 00:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Daykeeper
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Completely unsourced article containing only trivia and originally about the Mayan calendar. This content could be merged into Maya calendar or just deleted. -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 13:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC) Salimfadhley ( talk) 13:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- MergeThis topic isn't noteibal for its own article however the information would be useful on the artical about the Maya calender.-- Jeffrd10 ( talk) 13:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep:
This fairly reliable-looking source, which describes daykeepers in modern Maya society in detail, implies that the subject is quite notable. (The Mayan term is ajq'ij or ajk'ij apparently.)
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 14:24, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment: see also Maya priesthood#Offices which mentions (briefly) the same concept as the 16th century Ah k'in and ibid.#The Mesoamerican Maya priesthood after the Conquest as the contemporary ajk'ij. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 14:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Don't delete. I don't care whether we keep or merge it, but we have substantial coverage in a book produced by
University of New Mexico Press (Hasirpad's link), and that alone suggests that there's probably more. Merger is the only helpful option if we don't keep it as a separate article.
Nyttend (
talk) 15:20, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- If merged, the appropriate target is probably Maya priesthood, where, as I mentioned "daykeepers" (by other names) are briefly discussed. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Note: I've notified WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas to request their input. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:54, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Delete as unsourced.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 21:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
- Pardon me, but unsourced articles (except for BLPs) are not deleted; unsourceable ones are. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 23:53, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Go ahead and source it then. Xxanthippe ( talk) 23:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
- Delete as WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH. The source Hasirpad cites refers to an ethnographic study of contemporary highland Guatemalan culture. That is not necessarily the same thing as pre-Columbian Mayan culture in the Yucatán, although clearly the cultures are closely related. We could certainly use more quality sourced material on the culture and history of the Maya peoples, but even with better content, I'd be calling for a merge of this article to Tzolk'in. As it is, WP:BLOWITUP. -- 101.119.14.226 ( talk) 00:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000 (talk) 20:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.