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The result was keep. – bradv 🍁 15:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Dalby, Iowa
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Just a post office, all references to it agree; the topos and aerials show nothing at this intersection, though the Old East Paint Creek Lutheran Church is a few hundred yards to the east (and not at the location given in its article). Mangoe ( talk) 04:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 06:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hancock's Past and present of Allamackee lists this as a post office of Center Township, Allamakee County, Iowa, and apart from also pointing out that the aforementioned church is "near Dalby", says nothing else. The 1880 Lippincott's Gazetteer says "post-hamlet". A few things used the post-office as their postal address. That all that I can find. It's not enough to write an article. Uncle G ( talk) 02:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This community was noted in its time, and I've been able to flesh out the article with details from sources. It definitely was more than a post office, at one time. Notability is not temporary. Firsfron of Ronchester 22:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 05:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 05:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 06:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 06:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Good rescue. DGG ( talk ) 06:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- dissenting comment I do remember coming across the church (it's still there), but not the school; the problem, however, is that putting these buildings together into a "community" is an act of synthesis. Isolated churches and schools were a normal feature in any rural American area, even in the now-built-up middle Atlantic states. It's been interesting sorting through these Iowa cases, because even now it is easy to distinguish those that were actually laid out as towns from those which had their origins as mere post offices. In the former case, even today, there is as a rule a grid of streets, whereas the latter rarely even show a cluster of buildings at a crossroads. Mangoe ( talk) 17:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- No synthesis occurs when a source identifies a building being "at Dalby" or "in Dalby", or calls the school the "Dalby School". Whether a community was platted or was created through random aggregation, if there are sources naming these places as communities, then they clearly were communities. There's no problem with merging place-names of localities where no source shows there was a community, and in places where there were multiple hamlets with shared histories, it could be possible to merge multiple settlements together. However, in the specific case of Dalby, we have sources calling it a "hamlet" or listing it alongside other towns (Cram's 1902 Atlas lists Dalby in its index of towns). There's no doubt you identified several locales which truly were only post offices or rail stations, and your work should continue, but Dalby was not actually one of those places. Firsfron of Ronchester 14:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. Firsfron's added references have improved the article enough to pass WP:GNG. 4meter4 ( talk) 13:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. – bradv 🍁 15:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Dalby, Iowa
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Just a post office, all references to it agree; the topos and aerials show nothing at this intersection, though the Old East Paint Creek Lutheran Church is a few hundred yards to the east (and not at the location given in its article). Mangoe ( talk) 04:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 06:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hancock's Past and present of Allamackee lists this as a post office of Center Township, Allamakee County, Iowa, and apart from also pointing out that the aforementioned church is "near Dalby", says nothing else. The 1880 Lippincott's Gazetteer says "post-hamlet". A few things used the post-office as their postal address. That all that I can find. It's not enough to write an article. Uncle G ( talk) 02:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This community was noted in its time, and I've been able to flesh out the article with details from sources. It definitely was more than a post office, at one time. Notability is not temporary. Firsfron of Ronchester 22:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 05:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 05:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 06:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 06:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Good rescue. DGG ( talk ) 06:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- dissenting comment I do remember coming across the church (it's still there), but not the school; the problem, however, is that putting these buildings together into a "community" is an act of synthesis. Isolated churches and schools were a normal feature in any rural American area, even in the now-built-up middle Atlantic states. It's been interesting sorting through these Iowa cases, because even now it is easy to distinguish those that were actually laid out as towns from those which had their origins as mere post offices. In the former case, even today, there is as a rule a grid of streets, whereas the latter rarely even show a cluster of buildings at a crossroads. Mangoe ( talk) 17:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- No synthesis occurs when a source identifies a building being "at Dalby" or "in Dalby", or calls the school the "Dalby School". Whether a community was platted or was created through random aggregation, if there are sources naming these places as communities, then they clearly were communities. There's no problem with merging place-names of localities where no source shows there was a community, and in places where there were multiple hamlets with shared histories, it could be possible to merge multiple settlements together. However, in the specific case of Dalby, we have sources calling it a "hamlet" or listing it alongside other towns (Cram's 1902 Atlas lists Dalby in its index of towns). There's no doubt you identified several locales which truly were only post offices or rail stations, and your work should continue, but Dalby was not actually one of those places. Firsfron of Ronchester 14:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. Firsfron's added references have improved the article enough to pass WP:GNG. 4meter4 ( talk) 13:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.