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The result was delete. Despite Jfire's laudable attempts at finding something, "likely" sources are not a sufficient basis to retain an aricle in the light of WP:V. All Wikipedia content must be verifiable, i.e. based on actually existing and identifiable sources. Sandstein 08:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Cafer Bater
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I couldn't establish that he meets WP:ARTIST or WP:GNG. This has been in CAT:NN for 14 years; hopefully we can now resolve it. Boleyn ( talk) 18:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Turkey. Shellwood ( talk) 19:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I am not finding much either. The best I've found so far is https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/162234564.pdf which is a tribute written after the artist's death. It is in the archives of the Istanbul Şehir University Library. Elspea756 ( talk) 22:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I can't produce definitive sources, but based on what I have found, I think that there are likely Turkish offline sources from the 1980s and 1990s that would satisfy WP:ARTIST or WP:GNG.
- I think these are all exhibition catalogues or pamphlets: [1], [2], [3].
- The last of the above corresponds to a memorial exhibition that occurred after his death.
Milliyet has a brief article about the exhibition opening
[4], which calls Bater
one of Turkey's most important watercolor painters
, and another about it being extended due to its popularity [5]. - There is a 1987 column in Milliyet archives which I can't access: [6]. And I'm guessing the third result there, dated 03.04.1994, mentions his death.
- There are two catalogs that I can't access: [7] [8].
- Together, these lead me to believe that he was a notable pre-internet Turkish watercolor artist, for which GNG-establishing sources will likely only be found in Turkish, and offline. Jfire ( talk) 04:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 02:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO, nothing showing this meets WP:ARTIST. Sources in article (single ref and ELs) and BEFORE show nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if WP:IS sources are added to article that meet WP:SIGCOV and are not OBITs. // Timothy :: talk 19:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I am not finding significant reliable sources for this artist. Not finding him listed as part of any notable collections. -- WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 01:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Despite Jfire's laudable attempts at finding something, "likely" sources are not a sufficient basis to retain an aricle in the light of WP:V. All Wikipedia content must be verifiable, i.e. based on actually existing and identifiable sources. Sandstein 08:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Cafer Bater
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I couldn't establish that he meets WP:ARTIST or WP:GNG. This has been in CAT:NN for 14 years; hopefully we can now resolve it. Boleyn ( talk) 18:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Turkey. Shellwood ( talk) 19:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I am not finding much either. The best I've found so far is https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/162234564.pdf which is a tribute written after the artist's death. It is in the archives of the Istanbul Şehir University Library. Elspea756 ( talk) 22:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I can't produce definitive sources, but based on what I have found, I think that there are likely Turkish offline sources from the 1980s and 1990s that would satisfy WP:ARTIST or WP:GNG.
- I think these are all exhibition catalogues or pamphlets: [1], [2], [3].
- The last of the above corresponds to a memorial exhibition that occurred after his death.
Milliyet has a brief article about the exhibition opening
[4], which calls Bater
one of Turkey's most important watercolor painters
, and another about it being extended due to its popularity [5]. - There is a 1987 column in Milliyet archives which I can't access: [6]. And I'm guessing the third result there, dated 03.04.1994, mentions his death.
- There are two catalogs that I can't access: [7] [8].
- Together, these lead me to believe that he was a notable pre-internet Turkish watercolor artist, for which GNG-establishing sources will likely only be found in Turkish, and offline. Jfire ( talk) 04:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 02:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO, nothing showing this meets WP:ARTIST. Sources in article (single ref and ELs) and BEFORE show nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if WP:IS sources are added to article that meet WP:SIGCOV and are not OBITs. // Timothy :: talk 19:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I am not finding significant reliable sources for this artist. Not finding him listed as part of any notable collections. -- WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 01:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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