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The result was no consensus. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 00:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Blac Chyna
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Started work on the article, removing unreliable sources and looking for proper ones, and then I thought "But how is she even notable?" Former stripper, model, video extra, runs a beauty salon. I don't see what makes her meet the notability guidelines. Yintan 18:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment I believe coverage of her and Rob Kardashian [1] and other gossip is the only claim of notability. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:FART and WP:INVALIDBIO. KMF ( talk) 20:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per KMF. 207.102.255.247 ( talk) 20:19, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete then redirect doesn't pass WP:NMODEL, and WP:INVALIDBIO also applies. If it isn't a gossip magazine/column, the majority sources out there have to do with either relating to either Rob Kardashian(and family) or Tyga. Redirect to Rob and Chyna after deletion, as it probably is a better place to put her bio then directly on Rob's page. Deleting first is preferable to just redirect, as this article has had a unreliable tag for over a year, and some of the older history contained even more issues with blp sources and reliability. WikiVirus C (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - If you Google "cnn.com Blac Chyna" or "TMZ Blac Chyna" (and so on), you'll see that major news outlets are routinely reporting her life. I'm going to bite my tongue about whether she has earned being called a "celebrity", but she is one and she is notable to a lot of people. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 22:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- I did, but I found that most hits are about her ex-boyfriend, not really about her. Yintan 06:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I'm going against the grain here, but she had a television show ( Rob & Chyna) that nationally aired titled about her (albeit with her ex-boyfriend); under most circumstances, that clinches a keep. This is a SOFIXIT situation as far as sources (and heavy reduction of tabloid garbage), and WP:NOTPEOPLEMAGAZINE (I'm citing an alternate name because seriously?!) is a 'humorous' essay that should never be cited here. It also feels like the article is being nommed only because of the subject being in the news for abuse from the ex-boyfriend, and I'm always uncomfortable with that. Nate • ( chatter) 23:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Is that a reason to keep? What it "feels like"? I nominated the article for the reason I mentioned above, not because of a current messy breakup. Yintan 06:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Her role on
Keeping Up with the Kardashians along with a decent amount of coverage in the news, including articles about her in
The New York Times,
Time Magazine, etc. She is notable, if only because she has ties to people who are substantially more famous than her. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Benmite (
talk •
contribs) 01:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Being famous or having ties to famous people isn't enough to qualify for notability. The Times magazine article you linked is about her and Rob WP:INVALIDBIO and the recent situation with them. That NY Times article isn't even about her, its about snapchat, and it just mentions her along with a lot of other people including Hilary Clinton. WikiVirus C (talk) 01:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:INVALIDBIO, WP:FART. Famous by association and family relationships. Yurivict ( talk) 01:55, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete doesn't meet notability guidelines. BlackAsker ( talk) 08:37, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Has received a large amount of press, and
WP:INVALIDBIO says "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A)" (my emphasis). She's as famous as Rob Kardashian (who's hardly in the top tier of Kardashians), and has received coverage of her various beauty/fashion ventures. You may not like it that the media devotes so much time to her, but that's no reason for deletion. --
Colapeninsula (
talk) 09:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- We should stratify the Kardashians and use them as a reference point for "Why is this person a celebrity?", and "I begrudgingly admit that this person is a celebrity". - Richard Cavell ( talk) 12:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: notability is not inherited from others. DrStrauss talk 13:18, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep She starred in a reality show called Blac Chyna and Rob that aired on E! network. 138.162.0.42 ( talk) 14:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: She has received plenty of coverage from news outlet; this individual has actually been receiving a lot of coverage in the past couple of days. For better or worse, she is notable more so for the " famous for being famous"-kind of deal. Aoba47 ( talk) 20:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Which, as far as I can tell, is not one of the notability criteria. And then there's WP:NOTNEWS as well. Yintan 09:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep, much as it pains me to say it. She's enough in the news that she passes the notability requirement. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 02:32, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete There is nothing notable in this article that's not mentioned elsewhere. Being popular on Instagram does not quality you for notability on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.99.251 ( talk) 22:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Just did a news search on her, way too much coverage for a delete. ciphergoth ( talk) 02:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Unfortunately she's "notable" enough to have her own article, regardless of how she got it or what we may think of her personally. Hidden Tempo ( talk) 03:36, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 00:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Blac Chyna
- Blac Chyna ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Started work on the article, removing unreliable sources and looking for proper ones, and then I thought "But how is she even notable?" Former stripper, model, video extra, runs a beauty salon. I don't see what makes her meet the notability guidelines. Yintan 18:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I believe coverage of her and Rob Kardashian [1] and other gossip is the only claim of notability. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:FART and WP:INVALIDBIO. KMF ( talk) 20:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per KMF. 207.102.255.247 ( talk) 20:19, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete then redirect doesn't pass WP:NMODEL, and WP:INVALIDBIO also applies. If it isn't a gossip magazine/column, the majority sources out there have to do with either relating to either Rob Kardashian(and family) or Tyga. Redirect to Rob and Chyna after deletion, as it probably is a better place to put her bio then directly on Rob's page. Deleting first is preferable to just redirect, as this article has had a unreliable tag for over a year, and some of the older history contained even more issues with blp sources and reliability. WikiVirus C (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - If you Google "cnn.com Blac Chyna" or "TMZ Blac Chyna" (and so on), you'll see that major news outlets are routinely reporting her life. I'm going to bite my tongue about whether she has earned being called a "celebrity", but she is one and she is notable to a lot of people. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 22:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- I did, but I found that most hits are about her ex-boyfriend, not really about her. Yintan 06:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I'm going against the grain here, but she had a television show ( Rob & Chyna) that nationally aired titled about her (albeit with her ex-boyfriend); under most circumstances, that clinches a keep. This is a SOFIXIT situation as far as sources (and heavy reduction of tabloid garbage), and WP:NOTPEOPLEMAGAZINE (I'm citing an alternate name because seriously?!) is a 'humorous' essay that should never be cited here. It also feels like the article is being nommed only because of the subject being in the news for abuse from the ex-boyfriend, and I'm always uncomfortable with that. Nate • ( chatter) 23:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Is that a reason to keep? What it "feels like"? I nominated the article for the reason I mentioned above, not because of a current messy breakup. Yintan 06:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Her role on
Keeping Up with the Kardashians along with a decent amount of coverage in the news, including articles about her in
The New York Times,
Time Magazine, etc. She is notable, if only because she has ties to people who are substantially more famous than her. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Benmite (
talk •
contribs) 01:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Being famous or having ties to famous people isn't enough to qualify for notability. The Times magazine article you linked is about her and Rob WP:INVALIDBIO and the recent situation with them. That NY Times article isn't even about her, its about snapchat, and it just mentions her along with a lot of other people including Hilary Clinton. WikiVirus C (talk) 01:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:INVALIDBIO, WP:FART. Famous by association and family relationships. Yurivict ( talk) 01:55, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete doesn't meet notability guidelines. BlackAsker ( talk) 08:37, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Has received a large amount of press, and
WP:INVALIDBIO says "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A)" (my emphasis). She's as famous as Rob Kardashian (who's hardly in the top tier of Kardashians), and has received coverage of her various beauty/fashion ventures. You may not like it that the media devotes so much time to her, but that's no reason for deletion. --
Colapeninsula (
talk) 09:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- We should stratify the Kardashians and use them as a reference point for "Why is this person a celebrity?", and "I begrudgingly admit that this person is a celebrity". - Richard Cavell ( talk) 12:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: notability is not inherited from others. DrStrauss talk 13:18, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep She starred in a reality show called Blac Chyna and Rob that aired on E! network. 138.162.0.42 ( talk) 14:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: She has received plenty of coverage from news outlet; this individual has actually been receiving a lot of coverage in the past couple of days. For better or worse, she is notable more so for the " famous for being famous"-kind of deal. Aoba47 ( talk) 20:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Which, as far as I can tell, is not one of the notability criteria. And then there's WP:NOTNEWS as well. Yintan 09:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep, much as it pains me to say it. She's enough in the news that she passes the notability requirement. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa? Lo dicono a Signa. 02:32, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete There is nothing notable in this article that's not mentioned elsewhere. Being popular on Instagram does not quality you for notability on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.99.251 ( talk) 22:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Just did a news search on her, way too much coverage for a delete. ciphergoth ( talk) 02:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Unfortunately she's "notable" enough to have her own article, regardless of how she got it or what we may think of her personally. Hidden Tempo ( talk) 03:36, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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