As we finish pages in the hotlist, there will be some items that people are suggesting we not have articles on. These suggestions are stored on this page for a while, to give others a chance to check them out.
) - Columbia has long
article with sections on
Sanskrit drama,
Chinese drama, and
Noh/
Kabuki--a somewhat arbitary selection. We need more on this topic (
Indonesian drama, for example), but this term is probably too dated and broad to be a useful article.
) Appears to have been generated by Columbia Encyclopedia article title "Church (building for Christian worship)". Covered by
Church (building); unlikely redirect.
NawlinWiki 21:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Please do not generalise the use of the word "spam" too much - if you know how this list was created, the entries are clearly not spam. And of course we include many many entries on "just products". Insignificant products need not be included. I have no idea whether this particular product is significant or not.
Pcb21Pete 08:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
As far as I understand, this list was created by listing entries from other encyclopedias. This particular entry sure didn't come from the EB of 1911, and I couldn't find any encyclopedia where the entry might have come from. I'd be interested to find out where it did come from, if only to check if there are other potential problems with that source. I strongly suggest that this particular product is insignificant: It's merely a non-essential add-on to one of the most widely used proprietary products (which itself is of course very significant). I'd be interested in hearing contrary opinions why this product would be significant. Note also that I didn't say "it is spam", only "it sounds like spam to me".
Nczempin 08:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Comes from PC Mag's Encyclopedia of Computing Terms. I agree with non-inclusion in this case, and with lots of other entries from the EoCT. However I do have a real dislike of comments that appear to suggest the editor wants things excluded in general merely because they are commercial (talk about encouraging systematic POV!). Apologies if I misunderstood your first comment
Pcb21Pete 12:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I will try to be more careful in the future, because I am far from anti-commercial. I will be especially careful regarding the use of the word spam; in this particular case, I should have said "IMHO this is a non-significant commercial product". Thanks for the clarification.
Nczempin 13:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
)
Cd-rom audio cable - special cable inside a computer from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card, which allows audio CDs to be played back through the computer's sound card
) - we have
cuckoo and we have
egg; we don't have
sparrow egg,
robin egg etc. Typo for
Cuckoo's egg, a colloquialism (or dictdef) & the title of two books. Probably worth creating a disambiguation page for
) Only one encyclopedia article with this title, referring to members of the
Donkey family; unlikely redirect.
NawlinWiki 04:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Hex chart -- any chart of
hexidecimal characters, there's one in the hex article for instance
HTML-Lite -- at one time referred to a subset of
HTML for e-mail editors, but appears to be unused in this context today, if it was ever a "standard". Term is heavily overused today.
Hard sectored -- older term covered in
floppy disk, rd or create article. Sectoring is an issue on all media that stores on circular plates. Hard sectoring trades storage space for access speed.
)
Kabre-losso Two separate Togolese ethnic groups, the
Kabye and
Losso; no encyclopedia hits and only 1 Ghit for the combined term.
NawlinWiki 04:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Liamda - Seems to be a spelling mistake in J.D. Fage's A History of Africa for
Luanda, Liamda is in the index but Luanda is the only similar word on the indexed pages
The following (MSW) are functions of
Microsoft Word, which should be explained in the main article or left out. Their usage can be explained in a
Wikibook.
)
Oculie-cusai - existings on the web ONLY as being on this page and its derivatives...
This may be the Eritrean district of Ocule-Cusai, sometimes listed as Oculé-Cusai. (May also be the same as Acchele Guzai, but I couldn't confirm it.)—
RJH (
talk)
Submit the whole section to SFNI. These are basically a catalog of Oracle products at one point in time. If we did this for everything, then we would also have to do the same for Microsoft, Lotus, IBM, Symantec, Autodesk, etc. Not reasonable, IMHO.
mjuarez 06:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)reply
Are you arguing against including articles on these topics, or against having redirects for them? What's not reasonable about either of those?
Stevage 13:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)reply
As individual files, I don't think they would survive the afd process. We could create a
List of Oracle applications, with a stubby description of each, and have each title redirect to this list. . . but I don't think it's nessary. I wouldn't call these "missing articles". I just don't think they're that important. –
Quadell(
talk) (
random) 13:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)reply
)
Piotr andreyevich - Usually, only Russian royal family members were referred to with the use of patronimics. No such notable person in Russian history.
)
Piotr ivanovich - Usually, only Russian royal family members were referred to with the use of patronimics. No such notable person in Russian history.
)
Cru Seems to be a misprint of "Saint" in Britannica Online. Only 25 Google hits, none appear to be significant.
NawlinWiki 00:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)reply
) - EB has 4555 words on this as a general topic. We have a number of articles like
Depth perception and
Visual perception, but seemingly no general one.
Scanning over this list, I recommend we should be at least creating redirects for some of these... what do you think?
Pcb21|Pete 20:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)reply
) same as
striation (other context) or
ash cloud, according to [
this - Further note: The wolfram entry seems to standalone in saying this exists. Yes let's have
ash cloud, but this shouldn't redirect there.
)
Valentine-fischer number — Whatever it is, it gets only 1 Google hit, so it's probably not worthy of inclusion. (Looked at recently and now 2.7 million hits
Calaka (
talk) 16:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC))reply
These below are either neologisms, or they're too specific and belong in a Wikibook, or they are of questionable notablity, in my opinion. Someone should check these though. –
Quadell(
talk) (
bounties) 17:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)reply
) Japanese version of Windows95, it's the name usually given to it. Pretty sure it's not the official name though, couldn't find any direct reference to it.
mjuarez 23:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)reply
All of the above are XML-related articles, which, although could be created just as redirects to the main XML article, they are merely components I believe would be better explained in an XML Wikibook, if one exists. If we include these as "articles", we would also have to include C parser, Python parser, ADA parser, C processor, Python processor, ADA processor, etc, for all programming languages, which is clearly not correct.
Marcos Juárez 09:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I agree. They'd just be nominated for deletion if we created them. –
Quadell(
talk) (
bounties) 13:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)reply
) One of those "unique to Britannica" Korean painters. It might be the same person as
Yang P’aeng-son. Their biographies are somewhat similar and both feature the name "Hakp'o". Though EB references 1546, and the other guy appears to have died in 1545.... so am going to put this as a SNFI for now, unless can find some more info from non-Internet sources.
Pcb21Pete 10:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
) - one spelling of a common Russian surname - no article - artifact of scripting process.
Pcb21|Pete 11:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Pete 11:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)reply
As we finish pages in the hotlist, there will be some items that people are suggesting we not have articles on. These suggestions are stored on this page for a while, to give others a chance to check them out.
) - Columbia has long
article with sections on
Sanskrit drama,
Chinese drama, and
Noh/
Kabuki--a somewhat arbitary selection. We need more on this topic (
Indonesian drama, for example), but this term is probably too dated and broad to be a useful article.
) Appears to have been generated by Columbia Encyclopedia article title "Church (building for Christian worship)". Covered by
Church (building); unlikely redirect.
NawlinWiki 21:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Please do not generalise the use of the word "spam" too much - if you know how this list was created, the entries are clearly not spam. And of course we include many many entries on "just products". Insignificant products need not be included. I have no idea whether this particular product is significant or not.
Pcb21Pete 08:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
As far as I understand, this list was created by listing entries from other encyclopedias. This particular entry sure didn't come from the EB of 1911, and I couldn't find any encyclopedia where the entry might have come from. I'd be interested to find out where it did come from, if only to check if there are other potential problems with that source. I strongly suggest that this particular product is insignificant: It's merely a non-essential add-on to one of the most widely used proprietary products (which itself is of course very significant). I'd be interested in hearing contrary opinions why this product would be significant. Note also that I didn't say "it is spam", only "it sounds like spam to me".
Nczempin 08:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Comes from PC Mag's Encyclopedia of Computing Terms. I agree with non-inclusion in this case, and with lots of other entries from the EoCT. However I do have a real dislike of comments that appear to suggest the editor wants things excluded in general merely because they are commercial (talk about encouraging systematic POV!). Apologies if I misunderstood your first comment
Pcb21Pete 12:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I will try to be more careful in the future, because I am far from anti-commercial. I will be especially careful regarding the use of the word spam; in this particular case, I should have said "IMHO this is a non-significant commercial product". Thanks for the clarification.
Nczempin 13:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)reply
)
Cd-rom audio cable - special cable inside a computer from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card, which allows audio CDs to be played back through the computer's sound card
) - we have
cuckoo and we have
egg; we don't have
sparrow egg,
robin egg etc. Typo for
Cuckoo's egg, a colloquialism (or dictdef) & the title of two books. Probably worth creating a disambiguation page for
) Only one encyclopedia article with this title, referring to members of the
Donkey family; unlikely redirect.
NawlinWiki 04:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Hex chart -- any chart of
hexidecimal characters, there's one in the hex article for instance
HTML-Lite -- at one time referred to a subset of
HTML for e-mail editors, but appears to be unused in this context today, if it was ever a "standard". Term is heavily overused today.
Hard sectored -- older term covered in
floppy disk, rd or create article. Sectoring is an issue on all media that stores on circular plates. Hard sectoring trades storage space for access speed.
)
Kabre-losso Two separate Togolese ethnic groups, the
Kabye and
Losso; no encyclopedia hits and only 1 Ghit for the combined term.
NawlinWiki 04:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Liamda - Seems to be a spelling mistake in J.D. Fage's A History of Africa for
Luanda, Liamda is in the index but Luanda is the only similar word on the indexed pages
The following (MSW) are functions of
Microsoft Word, which should be explained in the main article or left out. Their usage can be explained in a
Wikibook.
)
Oculie-cusai - existings on the web ONLY as being on this page and its derivatives...
This may be the Eritrean district of Ocule-Cusai, sometimes listed as Oculé-Cusai. (May also be the same as Acchele Guzai, but I couldn't confirm it.)—
RJH (
talk)
Submit the whole section to SFNI. These are basically a catalog of Oracle products at one point in time. If we did this for everything, then we would also have to do the same for Microsoft, Lotus, IBM, Symantec, Autodesk, etc. Not reasonable, IMHO.
mjuarez 06:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)reply
Are you arguing against including articles on these topics, or against having redirects for them? What's not reasonable about either of those?
Stevage 13:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)reply
As individual files, I don't think they would survive the afd process. We could create a
List of Oracle applications, with a stubby description of each, and have each title redirect to this list. . . but I don't think it's nessary. I wouldn't call these "missing articles". I just don't think they're that important. –
Quadell(
talk) (
random) 13:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)reply
)
Piotr andreyevich - Usually, only Russian royal family members were referred to with the use of patronimics. No such notable person in Russian history.
)
Piotr ivanovich - Usually, only Russian royal family members were referred to with the use of patronimics. No such notable person in Russian history.
)
Cru Seems to be a misprint of "Saint" in Britannica Online. Only 25 Google hits, none appear to be significant.
NawlinWiki 00:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)reply
) - EB has 4555 words on this as a general topic. We have a number of articles like
Depth perception and
Visual perception, but seemingly no general one.
Scanning over this list, I recommend we should be at least creating redirects for some of these... what do you think?
Pcb21|Pete 20:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)reply
) same as
striation (other context) or
ash cloud, according to [
this - Further note: The wolfram entry seems to standalone in saying this exists. Yes let's have
ash cloud, but this shouldn't redirect there.
)
Valentine-fischer number — Whatever it is, it gets only 1 Google hit, so it's probably not worthy of inclusion. (Looked at recently and now 2.7 million hits
Calaka (
talk) 16:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC))reply
These below are either neologisms, or they're too specific and belong in a Wikibook, or they are of questionable notablity, in my opinion. Someone should check these though. –
Quadell(
talk) (
bounties) 17:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)reply
) Japanese version of Windows95, it's the name usually given to it. Pretty sure it's not the official name though, couldn't find any direct reference to it.
mjuarez 23:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)reply
All of the above are XML-related articles, which, although could be created just as redirects to the main XML article, they are merely components I believe would be better explained in an XML Wikibook, if one exists. If we include these as "articles", we would also have to include C parser, Python parser, ADA parser, C processor, Python processor, ADA processor, etc, for all programming languages, which is clearly not correct.
Marcos Juárez 09:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I agree. They'd just be nominated for deletion if we created them. –
Quadell(
talk) (
bounties) 13:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)reply
) One of those "unique to Britannica" Korean painters. It might be the same person as
Yang P’aeng-son. Their biographies are somewhat similar and both feature the name "Hakp'o". Though EB references 1546, and the other guy appears to have died in 1545.... so am going to put this as a SNFI for now, unless can find some more info from non-Internet sources.
Pcb21Pete 10:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)reply
) - one spelling of a common Russian surname - no article - artifact of scripting process.
Pcb21|Pete 11:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Pete 11:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)reply