The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article promoted by Gog the Mild ( talk) via MilHistBot ( talk) 20:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC) « Return to A-Class review list
Instructions for nominators and reviewers
Crusading movement ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Toolbox |
---|
I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it was recently a DYK on the main page, following a successful GAR and looks in pretty good shape. However it probably needs a fresh pair of eyes. I am sure there are improvements to be made bur please be gentle, it can get to be a heated topic on here. Topic wise it is about the institution of Christian Catholic Holy War & the Crusades. Norfolkbigfish ( talk) 10:45, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 08:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 08:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 08:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Done 11th century added
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done crusading movement - added
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done badly worded, opposite was intended
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done reworded to less significant, also attributed to the technical definition from
International Relations Theory
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done w-l
Christocentric
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done The source is explicit that it was the first Gregory, cited to page 10 of Erdmann
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done reworded instead
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 14:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done should have read these which now makes more sense, split the para later as this runs on correctly now
Norfolkbigfish (
talk)
Not done Hmmmm, as written it pretty much matches the source I think. Honig refers to
Hans Delbrück In feudal Europe power was too fragmented for medieval rulers to be able to organise disciplined, combined units that could follow orders and execute tactical and strategic designs. He also quotes
Charles Oman:Nowhere are more reckless displays of blind courage, or more stupid neglect of the elementary rules strategy and tactics to be found in the great expeditions to the Levant. Even where tactical ability is acknowledged, strategic thinking is absent because structural factors prevent decisive leadership. Armies were little more than plundering gangs in many cases.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 14:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
The sections on "Knights and chivalry", "Military orders", "Common people" and "Perception of "Muslims are not part of the background; move to the next section
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Calixtus II extended the definition of crusading during his five years as Pope, before his death in 1124.It is hard to imagine him doing it after his death. See Wikipedia:Principle of Some Astonishment.
Done :-)
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done—already linked at first usage.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done This was driven by factors including contractual recruitment, increased intelligence and espionage, a greater emphasis on navel warfare, the grooming of alliances, new and varied tactics to deal with different circumstances and opposition, and the hiring of experts in siege warfare.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't know if the historiography section is relevant Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done— I was thinking along the lines of how the movement was perceived/criticised/lauded was all part of it as an institution. Particularly in the way it changed over time.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I will review once Hawkeye's review has been addresssed. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 11:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
All images are appropriately licensed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Big effort to get this together, Nbf! This might take a few bites to get through. I immediately noticed that given the amount of religious terms introduced, there is a need for more links. Also, quite a few links are made after a term has been first introduced, or two or more links are made to the same term (which is probably excessive).
Done—
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 18:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
More to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 02:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Done—
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 18:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
This could take some working through.
Down to Birth, more to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 23:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC) All the above now Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Down to 14th C. More to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 23:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC) All Done apart from the highlighted—I will circle round and address later.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Down to 15th C. More to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 02:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC) All Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 12:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Down to Historiography. Nearly there...
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 05:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC) All Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Six images. All kind of pass, but there's some issues I really need to bring up.
Failed Fixed now
I'll fix those last two at some point. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.7% of all FPs. 09:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I will resume my review at this point later.
I will resume my review soon with the "Legacy" section.
Donner60 (
talk) 02:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC) Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article promoted by Gog the Mild ( talk) via MilHistBot ( talk) 20:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC) « Return to A-Class review list
Instructions for nominators and reviewers
Crusading movement ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Toolbox |
---|
I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it was recently a DYK on the main page, following a successful GAR and looks in pretty good shape. However it probably needs a fresh pair of eyes. I am sure there are improvements to be made bur please be gentle, it can get to be a heated topic on here. Topic wise it is about the institution of Christian Catholic Holy War & the Crusades. Norfolkbigfish ( talk) 10:45, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 08:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 08:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 08:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Done 11th century added
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done crusading movement - added
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done badly worded, opposite was intended
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done reworded to less significant, also attributed to the technical definition from
International Relations Theory
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 11:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done w-l
Christocentric
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done The source is explicit that it was the first Gregory, cited to page 10 of Erdmann
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done reworded instead
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 14:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done should have read these which now makes more sense, split the para later as this runs on correctly now
Norfolkbigfish (
talk)
Not done Hmmmm, as written it pretty much matches the source I think. Honig refers to
Hans Delbrück In feudal Europe power was too fragmented for medieval rulers to be able to organise disciplined, combined units that could follow orders and execute tactical and strategic designs. He also quotes
Charles Oman:Nowhere are more reckless displays of blind courage, or more stupid neglect of the elementary rules strategy and tactics to be found in the great expeditions to the Levant. Even where tactical ability is acknowledged, strategic thinking is absent because structural factors prevent decisive leadership. Armies were little more than plundering gangs in many cases.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 14:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
The sections on "Knights and chivalry", "Military orders", "Common people" and "Perception of "Muslims are not part of the background; move to the next section
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 15:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Calixtus II extended the definition of crusading during his five years as Pope, before his death in 1124.It is hard to imagine him doing it after his death. See Wikipedia:Principle of Some Astonishment.
Done :-)
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done—already linked at first usage.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 07:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done This was driven by factors including contractual recruitment, increased intelligence and espionage, a greater emphasis on navel warfare, the grooming of alliances, new and varied tactics to deal with different circumstances and opposition, and the hiring of experts in siege warfare.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't know if the historiography section is relevant Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done— I was thinking along the lines of how the movement was perceived/criticised/lauded was all part of it as an institution. Particularly in the way it changed over time.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I will review once Hawkeye's review has been addresssed. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 11:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
All images are appropriately licensed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Big effort to get this together, Nbf! This might take a few bites to get through. I immediately noticed that given the amount of religious terms introduced, there is a need for more links. Also, quite a few links are made after a term has been first introduced, or two or more links are made to the same term (which is probably excessive).
Done—
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 18:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
More to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 02:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Done—
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 18:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
This could take some working through.
Down to Birth, more to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 23:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC) All the above now Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Down to 14th C. More to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 23:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC) All Done apart from the highlighted—I will circle round and address later.
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 17:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Down to 15th C. More to come.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 02:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC) All Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 12:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Down to Historiography. Nearly there...
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 05:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC) All Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Six images. All kind of pass, but there's some issues I really need to bring up.
Failed Fixed now
I'll fix those last two at some point. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.7% of all FPs. 09:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I will resume my review at this point later.
I will resume my review soon with the "Legacy" section.
Donner60 (
talk) 02:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC) Done
Norfolkbigfish (
talk) 13:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)