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Sturmvogel 66 and I bring you a co-nom for another Confederate ironclad. This one was trapped on the Red River by low water and never saw combat; it was sold for scrap after the war.
Hog FarmTalk03:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Might be better to specifically mention that Fauntleroy wanted a blue water command of a blockade runner rather than being with the brown water navy to provide a better explanation for why he didn't want to command the Missouri
Mention that Carter was the experienced former commander of the General Polk and that Confederate Secretary of the Navy Mallory specifically tasked him with overseeing the construction of the Missouri
Potentially more useful to note that the guns were delayed because Pemberton took the cannons slated for the ship to use them for the Vicksburg defenses (Chatelain, p. 263)
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her Missouri after the state and her erstwhile Confederate government. Seems anachronistic to refer to states as female
Bisbee mentions that the most important difficulty that Missouri faced was getting fuel to even operate due to lack of coal and shortage of the alternative power source, wood. Chatelain notes that the ship's voyage to Alexandria relied in requisitioning wood from local plantations.
Chatelain mentions that crew desertion became a problem in the final months of the war and the Confederates had to impress soldiers from the army to make up for this. This seems pretty relevant to the ship's operations and potential combat effectiveness
The article doesn't mention the ship's complement which is usually in other ship articles. Chatelain includes that Carter surrendered 41 officers and men at Alexandria (p. 288).
Kges1901 (
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21:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
There's an interesting
[1] article by Katherine Brash Jeter in the Louisiana History journal, that shines a light on the problems of the manning of the Missouri, most importantly that the Confederates lacked seamen and had to resort to soldiers, but this worsened the desertion problem due to the harsh conditions of ironclad life. The article includes the detail that Carter requested 72 men for his crew from Kirby Smith in late 1863. The ORN might have more information on her designed complement.
Kges1901 (
talk)
21:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Source Review
The sources are high quality RS, with Chatelain and Bisbee having multiple positive academic reviews.
The primary source ORN is used appropriately
A suggested source for expansion prior to FA would be A Man and His Boat on Carter's career for additional details, published by the University of Southwestern Louisiana in 1996
[2]. There is also a nine page article about the Missouri by William Still in the academic journal Louisiana Studies, vol. 4 (1965).
Kges1901 (
talk)
21:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I've incorporated the Jeter source. I'll try to hunt down Still's article. The Carter book appears to be at least partially just primary-source writings by Carter himself, and the editor (Jeter) is already used as a source. There's apparently no publicly-held copy in Missouri, but I can try to talk UArk Fayetteville into letting me ILL their copy if this ever goes to FAC.
Hog FarmTalk00:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hey
Gog. I've been on holiday to Italy and it was fun (even though the weather was hot) I might do a review if this comment is adressed. :) Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk)
08:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Hog Farm: Hey Hog no problem got used to it. The lead looks much better, I think we only need info about the Description section and then we're done there. :) Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk)
10:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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CPA-5: Sorry about the delay. I've had a really busy last couple weeks and forgot about this. I've added another couple sentences from the description section, so there's now three sentences summarizing that.
Hog FarmTalk15:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)reply
"Missouri was 183 feet (55.8 m) long overall, had a beam" Add here CSS.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sturmvogel 66 and I bring you a co-nom for another Confederate ironclad. This one was trapped on the Red River by low water and never saw combat; it was sold for scrap after the war.
Hog FarmTalk03:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Might be better to specifically mention that Fauntleroy wanted a blue water command of a blockade runner rather than being with the brown water navy to provide a better explanation for why he didn't want to command the Missouri
Mention that Carter was the experienced former commander of the General Polk and that Confederate Secretary of the Navy Mallory specifically tasked him with overseeing the construction of the Missouri
Potentially more useful to note that the guns were delayed because Pemberton took the cannons slated for the ship to use them for the Vicksburg defenses (Chatelain, p. 263)
Added
her Missouri after the state and her erstwhile Confederate government. Seems anachronistic to refer to states as female
Bisbee mentions that the most important difficulty that Missouri faced was getting fuel to even operate due to lack of coal and shortage of the alternative power source, wood. Chatelain notes that the ship's voyage to Alexandria relied in requisitioning wood from local plantations.
Chatelain mentions that crew desertion became a problem in the final months of the war and the Confederates had to impress soldiers from the army to make up for this. This seems pretty relevant to the ship's operations and potential combat effectiveness
The article doesn't mention the ship's complement which is usually in other ship articles. Chatelain includes that Carter surrendered 41 officers and men at Alexandria (p. 288).
Kges1901 (
talk)
21:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
There's an interesting
[1] article by Katherine Brash Jeter in the Louisiana History journal, that shines a light on the problems of the manning of the Missouri, most importantly that the Confederates lacked seamen and had to resort to soldiers, but this worsened the desertion problem due to the harsh conditions of ironclad life. The article includes the detail that Carter requested 72 men for his crew from Kirby Smith in late 1863. The ORN might have more information on her designed complement.
Kges1901 (
talk)
21:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Source Review
The sources are high quality RS, with Chatelain and Bisbee having multiple positive academic reviews.
The primary source ORN is used appropriately
A suggested source for expansion prior to FA would be A Man and His Boat on Carter's career for additional details, published by the University of Southwestern Louisiana in 1996
[2]. There is also a nine page article about the Missouri by William Still in the academic journal Louisiana Studies, vol. 4 (1965).
Kges1901 (
talk)
21:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I've incorporated the Jeter source. I'll try to hunt down Still's article. The Carter book appears to be at least partially just primary-source writings by Carter himself, and the editor (Jeter) is already used as a source. There's apparently no publicly-held copy in Missouri, but I can try to talk UArk Fayetteville into letting me ILL their copy if this ever goes to FAC.
Hog FarmTalk00:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hey
Gog. I've been on holiday to Italy and it was fun (even though the weather was hot) I might do a review if this comment is adressed. :) Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk)
08:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Hog Farm: Hey Hog no problem got used to it. The lead looks much better, I think we only need info about the Description section and then we're done there. :) Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk)
10:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
CPA-5: Sorry about the delay. I've had a really busy last couple weeks and forgot about this. I've added another couple sentences from the description section, so there's now three sentences summarizing that.
Hog FarmTalk15:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)reply
"Missouri was 183 feet (55.8 m) long overall, had a beam" Add here CSS.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.