I've been looking at including a table similar in format to those on some of the other Wikiprojects. There is a nonsense version on User:Sannse/Sandbox. What do you think?
Also, I think the Federation Cynologique Internationale (FIC) classifications will be most useful. They seem to cover more types of dog than any others and although the UK, US and Canadian Kennel Clubs aren't members 80 other countries are. Eventually we could split the
List of dog breeds into the ten groups as well as having an overall alphabetical list.
For reference the FCI groups are:
The US groups are:
The UK groups are
What I'm realizing as I work on various breeds and groups of dogs is that we can't really rely on a specific small set of categories--we have to anticipate what people will be looking for and create the appropriate dog-category, redirect, or disambig pages all the way through.
For example, Hunting dog is a general category of dogs, which can be divided into Hounds and Gun dogs (for example), and people will (and already have) made references to all those terms in text. Furthermore, people will also refer to Sight hounds and Scent hounds among hounds (which are category pages that describe the general characteristics of this group and then list the individual breeds that are members of the group, and Spaniels, Retrievers, etc. .... and then at almost the bottom level we'll have something more like disambig pages, such as Welsh Corgi, Springer Spaniel, Cocker Spaniel...
So I'm doing the best I can as I go, using the various organizations' categories as starting points. Elf 16:01, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
BTW, hierarchical organization of some of these pages might look something like this:
Is the idea to have the table itself on the general breed page or to have one of these table on each breeds page? I hope it is the latter as the former would seem to make the breedlist page far to big. -- Steven jones 12:17, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hey, I've been to several of the individual dog breed pages and while most a good they don't follow the same pattern. Shouldn't each page have the same format? For example, the article should start out with a brief intro then a paragraph on appearance, then temperament, then history, trivia, etc. Do you think we should do this? What should the categories be? Bremen 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I feel kind of stupid now for changing so much without waiting. This is supposed to be a collaborative project. You Know it would be nice if others commented. It's just you and me discussing this! I know it's only been a few days since I started changing things...I guess not all parts of wikipedia move fast. Bremen 03:12, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
So I've been going through the list of breeds alphabetically...I came to Australian Cattle Dog and there is a section on activities such as agility etc. Should this be a separate section? Should it go under miscellaneous? Bremen 19:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Okay, hot shots--not ignoring you--I didn't have this page on my watchlist, so was blissfully drifting along until Elf's note on another page, which was on my watchlist.
Here's my deal--it may only be my problem, so feel free to say so. I cannot find things. I can't remember where articles are, can't remember where our various lists are; I have to go to a page where I know I can find list of dog breeds, and access it from there, then futz around through whatever categories are listed, to find the group or topic or whatever I'm looking for.
Case in point--because I'd worked on the TO DO page; I needed to update Spitz and List of Dogs by country of origin. It would have been lovely if we had a category: Spitz (maybe we do?) but of course I would have still have to have manually added the breed into the Spitz article. Not a prob, but then there was the other list--where was it? Took me ages.
Is it possible for us to build one page with every dog list, topic and category and their subcategories on it? That is, we've got all this info on different pages, can we combine it into one? I'm quite willing to help but don't know where to start.
Now to the case at hand, I've got to run, I solemnly promise to return and read all the new additions to this page and respond as soon as ever I can.
Quill 00:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Another suggestion for something off-the-wall to do for breed registry articles; thoughts welcomed at Talk:Canadian_Kennel_Club#registry limitations. Elf | Talk 22:40, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've been looking at including a table similar in format to those on some of the other Wikiprojects. There is a nonsense version on User:Sannse/Sandbox. What do you think?
Also, I think the Federation Cynologique Internationale (FIC) classifications will be most useful. They seem to cover more types of dog than any others and although the UK, US and Canadian Kennel Clubs aren't members 80 other countries are. Eventually we could split the
List of dog breeds into the ten groups as well as having an overall alphabetical list.
For reference the FCI groups are:
The US groups are:
The UK groups are
What I'm realizing as I work on various breeds and groups of dogs is that we can't really rely on a specific small set of categories--we have to anticipate what people will be looking for and create the appropriate dog-category, redirect, or disambig pages all the way through.
For example, Hunting dog is a general category of dogs, which can be divided into Hounds and Gun dogs (for example), and people will (and already have) made references to all those terms in text. Furthermore, people will also refer to Sight hounds and Scent hounds among hounds (which are category pages that describe the general characteristics of this group and then list the individual breeds that are members of the group, and Spaniels, Retrievers, etc. .... and then at almost the bottom level we'll have something more like disambig pages, such as Welsh Corgi, Springer Spaniel, Cocker Spaniel...
So I'm doing the best I can as I go, using the various organizations' categories as starting points. Elf 16:01, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
BTW, hierarchical organization of some of these pages might look something like this:
Is the idea to have the table itself on the general breed page or to have one of these table on each breeds page? I hope it is the latter as the former would seem to make the breedlist page far to big. -- Steven jones 12:17, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hey, I've been to several of the individual dog breed pages and while most a good they don't follow the same pattern. Shouldn't each page have the same format? For example, the article should start out with a brief intro then a paragraph on appearance, then temperament, then history, trivia, etc. Do you think we should do this? What should the categories be? Bremen 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I feel kind of stupid now for changing so much without waiting. This is supposed to be a collaborative project. You Know it would be nice if others commented. It's just you and me discussing this! I know it's only been a few days since I started changing things...I guess not all parts of wikipedia move fast. Bremen 03:12, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
So I've been going through the list of breeds alphabetically...I came to Australian Cattle Dog and there is a section on activities such as agility etc. Should this be a separate section? Should it go under miscellaneous? Bremen 19:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Okay, hot shots--not ignoring you--I didn't have this page on my watchlist, so was blissfully drifting along until Elf's note on another page, which was on my watchlist.
Here's my deal--it may only be my problem, so feel free to say so. I cannot find things. I can't remember where articles are, can't remember where our various lists are; I have to go to a page where I know I can find list of dog breeds, and access it from there, then futz around through whatever categories are listed, to find the group or topic or whatever I'm looking for.
Case in point--because I'd worked on the TO DO page; I needed to update Spitz and List of Dogs by country of origin. It would have been lovely if we had a category: Spitz (maybe we do?) but of course I would have still have to have manually added the breed into the Spitz article. Not a prob, but then there was the other list--where was it? Took me ages.
Is it possible for us to build one page with every dog list, topic and category and their subcategories on it? That is, we've got all this info on different pages, can we combine it into one? I'm quite willing to help but don't know where to start.
Now to the case at hand, I've got to run, I solemnly promise to return and read all the new additions to this page and respond as soon as ever I can.
Quill 00:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Another suggestion for something off-the-wall to do for breed registry articles; thoughts welcomed at Talk:Canadian_Kennel_Club#registry limitations. Elf | Talk 22:40, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)