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El Salvador

Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele

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The maintenance tag claiming sources exist. However, most of the sources are not about the inauguration but the current affairs of nation that is covered in 2024_Salvadoran_general_election#Presidency_of_Nayib_Bukele and Nayib_Bukele#Presidency, i.e. [1]. There is nothing much at least in the English sources about the preparation of the event, what transpired during the event, and any post event celebrations, with exception of a bombing plot, and a protest in Chicago, both of which can be easily tucked into 2024_Salvadoran_general_election#Aftermath. – robertsky ( talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of El Salvador-related deletion discussions. – robertsky ( talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Politics. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy redirect/merge to Nayib_Bukele#Presidency. Don't make articles just for the sake of making articles. Inaugurations do not automatically need a standalone page. Reywas92 Talk 17:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    This is an acceptable outcome in lieu of an outright deletion. – robertsky ( talk) 04:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I haven't even delved into the Spanish sources but there is lots of WP:RS WP:SIGCOV in English alone, including of the event itself ( Deutsche Presse-Agentur, AP, Al Jazeera), guests ( MercoPress, Politico, Deseret News, Xinhua), international reactions ( AP), plus the bomb plot ( AP, Reuters) mentioned by the nominator. I'm sure there's even more in Spanish. Now that the event has happened, there's plenty of coverage to support a standalone page. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 23:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    On the sources you have raised here:
    • Deutsche Presse-Agentur, AP, Al Jazeera these are some of what I referred to when I wrote most of the sources are not about the inauguration but the current affairs of nation. If it is about the event itself, I would expect significant coverage about the event itself and not a majority of the content of each source about the state of affairs in the country, his management style, and the challenges ahead for him or the country.
    • Guest list is the least of consideration for notability of the event. Notability is not inherited, nor this page should be a guest list as well, which some had tried to turn this page into (see WP:NOTDIR and also WP:INDISCRIMINATE). Nothing in the sources here ( MercoPress, Politico, Deseret News, Xinhua) is of anything significant about the event except that 'X had attended".
    • ( AP) that is an reaction to the president's management in his term (in my opinion, might be worthy of a split from his main article if extended further).
    • bomb plot. further details than what has been provided currently is required. otherwise by itself, it is a news report.
    – robertsky ( talk) 00:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Like any good news source, the coverage will situate the event in its context. In fact, under WP:NEVENTS, such sources should be "in-depth coverage [that] includes analysis that puts events into context." Each article I cited devotes several paragraphs (up to half the article) specifically to inaugural events and the rest to the context. As for guests, inauguration pages on WP almost universally cover international guest attendance. See (as just a few examples) Inauguration of Lai Ching-te, Second inauguration of Goodluck Jonathan, Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo, and so forth. (And every source I provided is WP:RS for this kind of news and provides significant coverage of the attendance and the dynamics around it.) Finally, the alleged bomb plot was part of the preparations for the inauguration and belongs in such an article. Unless you're trying to say that presidential inaugurations are inherently non-notable topics, in which case you need to propose an SNG, it's clear that this subject clears the tests imposed by WP:GNG and WP:NEVENTS. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 01:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    There is no need for a separate SNG. The entire WP:NEVENTS has to be taken into consideration, not just the coverage of the event. Coverage is a given, after all it is a planned event directly after the election:
    Points to consider:
    1. Is there a lasting effect from the inauguration as an event? None so far.
    2. Is there a significant impact of the inauguration as an event? None so far.
    3. What's the depth of the coverage of the event? Surface level. What was the planning? What happened during the inauguration? Who/What agencies were involved in the planned? Why was there a change in the venue? What was said during the inauguration. As argued before, the analysis is already written for in the general elections page, and the inauguration is the result of the general election. There is no need for a separate article as such.
    4. What's the duration of the coverage? Immediate after the event, no further news coverage that I can find in the 7 days since the inauguration.
    5. What's the diversity of sources? Diverse but same set of talking points.
    6. And with respect to inauguration as a planned event. Is the coverage a routine coverage? Yes. One would expect major news outlets to cover a planned national level event as part of their routine news cycle.
    As for the other inauguration pages, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. But if I may, these pages are likely going to be evaluated in the same manner for AfD. – robertsky ( talk) 04:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Consider:
    1/2. Is there a lasting effect/significant impact from the inauguration? Bukele remains president, so yes. The swearing-in is required under the constitution and thus it has an ongoing effect. The election is the predicate for this event, but it is not identical to the inauguration and it has no effect if the inauguration does not take place according to constitutional procedure. (This is
    3. See below in my comments on the Spanish language sources, but the depth of coverage is sufficient to meet this test.
    4/5. We are 10 days out from the event, which NEVENTS makes clear is not too soon for an event to become notable. But the event has been covered beyond the initial day or two of news, and it has been covered in a variety of sources in both English and Spanish, with both straight news and opinion coverage. NPR discusses the inauguration's influence on the Biden administration's immigration policy. LoveFM provides skeptical coverage of Belizean participation in the inauguration. Semafor covered the inauguration in light of Claudia Sheinbaum's election in Mexico.
    6. It definitely goes beyond routine coverage with substantial detailed mentions in the U.S. political press as well as the press in Spain. It's not just wire services and Salvadoran press covering this.
    (P.S. Please read carefully: I didn't cite the other inauguration pages as an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument for notability of this subject. I cited them to point out that these types of pages generally cover international guests, which demonstrates a longstanding consensus that guests are a significant aspect of inaugurations. Thus, WP:RS coverage of inauguration guests contributes to the notability of the subject matter.) Dclemens1971 ( talk) 07:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: How much has the article really changed since its previous iteration? I still do think this was recreated by a certain LTA block evading, though I can't say for certain. jellyfish  04:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The infobox remained the same; all sections you see now were there as well, unfilled; the international guests section was unfilled (naturally, since it was before the event).
    This is the lead in the last deleted revision for evaluation:
    The Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele as president of El Salvador will take place on Saturday, 1 June 2024, in the El Salvador Chamber of Deputies in San Salvador. The inauguration will mark the commencement of the four-year term of Bukele as president and Félix Ulloa as vice president. The inauguration will mark the formal culmination of Bukele's presidential transition that began after he won the 2024 Salvadoran presidential election held on 4 February 2024. – robertsky ( talk) 04:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. I've provided numerous English-language secondary and reliable sources upthread that provide significant coverage of this event. Further search finds numerous Spanish-language sources as well: Stories in La Prensa Grafica interviewing a historian on symbolism in the ceremony, on the economic and social aspects of Bukele's inaugural address, on international reactions to the inauguration, critiquing Catholic Church participation in the ceremony, and protests by Salvadoran expats at several embassies around the world, plus detailed coverage in Spain's El Pais: [2], [3]. Despite the nominator's determination to reject every source presented thus far, at this point we have an abundance of multiple language/country/types of sources to validate the notability of this topic and I'm going to leave the discussion to other editors to review. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 08:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:LISTN is not met here due to a lack of coverage of the subjects as a group. As it stands, this is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people. Let'srun ( talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Yet this list only includes a self-selected number of players, many of whom have no article themselves, and has no sources discussing these players as a group. In my opinion, it is much more appropriate to have a category for the notable players who played here. Let'srun ( talk) 17:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Which is fixable through editing, and nowhere in NLIST does it require sources to discuss the list as a group, since there are several valid reasons for creating lists. SportingFlyer T· C 18:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete – a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner ( talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Bombing of Toncontín International Airport

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Unneccessary WP:FORK of Football War, already covered there in a few sentences. Page unlikely to be expanded nor new RS published Mztourist ( talk) 05:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

u can delete if u want Wikidude2243 ( talk) 06:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
or i i can change text Wikidude2243 ( talk) 06:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
i can change the text Wikidude2243 ( talk) 06:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete and Merge. I agree on having the article deleted, besides the fact that I'm also having it's information merged on the Football War article. ( talk) 10:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
You can't both delete and merge an article. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 00:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to El Salvador. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

Adding a new AfD discussion
Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:
  1. Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
  2. You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|El Salvador|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
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Further information
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El Salvador

Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele

Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The maintenance tag claiming sources exist. However, most of the sources are not about the inauguration but the current affairs of nation that is covered in 2024_Salvadoran_general_election#Presidency_of_Nayib_Bukele and Nayib_Bukele#Presidency, i.e. [1]. There is nothing much at least in the English sources about the preparation of the event, what transpired during the event, and any post event celebrations, with exception of a bombing plot, and a protest in Chicago, both of which can be easily tucked into 2024_Salvadoran_general_election#Aftermath. – robertsky ( talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of El Salvador-related deletion discussions. – robertsky ( talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Politics. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy redirect/merge to Nayib_Bukele#Presidency. Don't make articles just for the sake of making articles. Inaugurations do not automatically need a standalone page. Reywas92 Talk 17:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    This is an acceptable outcome in lieu of an outright deletion. – robertsky ( talk) 04:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I haven't even delved into the Spanish sources but there is lots of WP:RS WP:SIGCOV in English alone, including of the event itself ( Deutsche Presse-Agentur, AP, Al Jazeera), guests ( MercoPress, Politico, Deseret News, Xinhua), international reactions ( AP), plus the bomb plot ( AP, Reuters) mentioned by the nominator. I'm sure there's even more in Spanish. Now that the event has happened, there's plenty of coverage to support a standalone page. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 23:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    On the sources you have raised here:
    • Deutsche Presse-Agentur, AP, Al Jazeera these are some of what I referred to when I wrote most of the sources are not about the inauguration but the current affairs of nation. If it is about the event itself, I would expect significant coverage about the event itself and not a majority of the content of each source about the state of affairs in the country, his management style, and the challenges ahead for him or the country.
    • Guest list is the least of consideration for notability of the event. Notability is not inherited, nor this page should be a guest list as well, which some had tried to turn this page into (see WP:NOTDIR and also WP:INDISCRIMINATE). Nothing in the sources here ( MercoPress, Politico, Deseret News, Xinhua) is of anything significant about the event except that 'X had attended".
    • ( AP) that is an reaction to the president's management in his term (in my opinion, might be worthy of a split from his main article if extended further).
    • bomb plot. further details than what has been provided currently is required. otherwise by itself, it is a news report.
    – robertsky ( talk) 00:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Like any good news source, the coverage will situate the event in its context. In fact, under WP:NEVENTS, such sources should be "in-depth coverage [that] includes analysis that puts events into context." Each article I cited devotes several paragraphs (up to half the article) specifically to inaugural events and the rest to the context. As for guests, inauguration pages on WP almost universally cover international guest attendance. See (as just a few examples) Inauguration of Lai Ching-te, Second inauguration of Goodluck Jonathan, Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo, and so forth. (And every source I provided is WP:RS for this kind of news and provides significant coverage of the attendance and the dynamics around it.) Finally, the alleged bomb plot was part of the preparations for the inauguration and belongs in such an article. Unless you're trying to say that presidential inaugurations are inherently non-notable topics, in which case you need to propose an SNG, it's clear that this subject clears the tests imposed by WP:GNG and WP:NEVENTS. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 01:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    There is no need for a separate SNG. The entire WP:NEVENTS has to be taken into consideration, not just the coverage of the event. Coverage is a given, after all it is a planned event directly after the election:
    Points to consider:
    1. Is there a lasting effect from the inauguration as an event? None so far.
    2. Is there a significant impact of the inauguration as an event? None so far.
    3. What's the depth of the coverage of the event? Surface level. What was the planning? What happened during the inauguration? Who/What agencies were involved in the planned? Why was there a change in the venue? What was said during the inauguration. As argued before, the analysis is already written for in the general elections page, and the inauguration is the result of the general election. There is no need for a separate article as such.
    4. What's the duration of the coverage? Immediate after the event, no further news coverage that I can find in the 7 days since the inauguration.
    5. What's the diversity of sources? Diverse but same set of talking points.
    6. And with respect to inauguration as a planned event. Is the coverage a routine coverage? Yes. One would expect major news outlets to cover a planned national level event as part of their routine news cycle.
    As for the other inauguration pages, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. But if I may, these pages are likely going to be evaluated in the same manner for AfD. – robertsky ( talk) 04:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Consider:
    1/2. Is there a lasting effect/significant impact from the inauguration? Bukele remains president, so yes. The swearing-in is required under the constitution and thus it has an ongoing effect. The election is the predicate for this event, but it is not identical to the inauguration and it has no effect if the inauguration does not take place according to constitutional procedure. (This is
    3. See below in my comments on the Spanish language sources, but the depth of coverage is sufficient to meet this test.
    4/5. We are 10 days out from the event, which NEVENTS makes clear is not too soon for an event to become notable. But the event has been covered beyond the initial day or two of news, and it has been covered in a variety of sources in both English and Spanish, with both straight news and opinion coverage. NPR discusses the inauguration's influence on the Biden administration's immigration policy. LoveFM provides skeptical coverage of Belizean participation in the inauguration. Semafor covered the inauguration in light of Claudia Sheinbaum's election in Mexico.
    6. It definitely goes beyond routine coverage with substantial detailed mentions in the U.S. political press as well as the press in Spain. It's not just wire services and Salvadoran press covering this.
    (P.S. Please read carefully: I didn't cite the other inauguration pages as an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument for notability of this subject. I cited them to point out that these types of pages generally cover international guests, which demonstrates a longstanding consensus that guests are a significant aspect of inaugurations. Thus, WP:RS coverage of inauguration guests contributes to the notability of the subject matter.) Dclemens1971 ( talk) 07:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: How much has the article really changed since its previous iteration? I still do think this was recreated by a certain LTA block evading, though I can't say for certain. jellyfish  04:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The infobox remained the same; all sections you see now were there as well, unfilled; the international guests section was unfilled (naturally, since it was before the event).
    This is the lead in the last deleted revision for evaluation:
    The Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele as president of El Salvador will take place on Saturday, 1 June 2024, in the El Salvador Chamber of Deputies in San Salvador. The inauguration will mark the commencement of the four-year term of Bukele as president and Félix Ulloa as vice president. The inauguration will mark the formal culmination of Bukele's presidential transition that began after he won the 2024 Salvadoran presidential election held on 4 February 2024. – robertsky ( talk) 04:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. I've provided numerous English-language secondary and reliable sources upthread that provide significant coverage of this event. Further search finds numerous Spanish-language sources as well: Stories in La Prensa Grafica interviewing a historian on symbolism in the ceremony, on the economic and social aspects of Bukele's inaugural address, on international reactions to the inauguration, critiquing Catholic Church participation in the ceremony, and protests by Salvadoran expats at several embassies around the world, plus detailed coverage in Spain's El Pais: [2], [3]. Despite the nominator's determination to reject every source presented thus far, at this point we have an abundance of multiple language/country/types of sources to validate the notability of this topic and I'm going to leave the discussion to other editors to review. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 08:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:LISTN is not met here due to a lack of coverage of the subjects as a group. As it stands, this is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people. Let'srun ( talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Yet this list only includes a self-selected number of players, many of whom have no article themselves, and has no sources discussing these players as a group. In my opinion, it is much more appropriate to have a category for the notable players who played here. Let'srun ( talk) 17:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Which is fixable through editing, and nowhere in NLIST does it require sources to discuss the list as a group, since there are several valid reasons for creating lists. SportingFlyer T· C 18:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete – a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner ( talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Bombing of Toncontín International Airport

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Unneccessary WP:FORK of Football War, already covered there in a few sentences. Page unlikely to be expanded nor new RS published Mztourist ( talk) 05:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

u can delete if u want Wikidude2243 ( talk) 06:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
or i i can change text Wikidude2243 ( talk) 06:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
i can change the text Wikidude2243 ( talk) 06:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete and Merge. I agree on having the article deleted, besides the fact that I'm also having it's information merged on the Football War article. ( talk) 10:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
You can't both delete and merge an article. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 00:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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