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Dear moderator added official sources from the company Can you help. Thank you Arahi991 ( talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Arahi991: as I told you already yesterday, this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further.
- I also asked you if you have a connection with Solyankich, who created Draft:Del Mar Energy, but you've not answered that? -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Official sources from the company" are completely irrelevant. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine ( talk) 09:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, This article has been declined, supposably due to lack of Reliable sources. However, Iv'e used highly regarded Israeli press and Forbes. Why was it declined again? can I receive some constructive assistance? עומר תשבי ( talk) 10:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
עומר תשבי: Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
- https://www.themarker.com/magazine/2021-05-01/ty-article-static/0000017f-db2a-d856-a37f-ffea0e0f0000 is borderline. The article is almost more about DraftKings than Meckenzie.
- https://finance.yahoo.com/news/draftkings-billionaire-backed-crypto-analytics-070000407.html?guccounter=1 is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drop.
- We can't use https://www.forbes.com/profile/shalom-meckenzie/ ( too sparse). As a rule, profiles on people/companies are not going to have enough information to cite.
- https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001378538 is borderline. Again, this is more about DraftKings than Meckenzie.
- https://hindenburgresearch.com/draftkings/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). Meckenzie is constantly name-dropped, but there's very little actual discussion of him, with the source being about, once again, DraftKings. The Globes.co.il source cites this one, in fact.
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2020/05/18/soaring-draftkings-stock-makes-israeli-entrepreneur-a-billionaire/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). No real discussion of Meckenzie.
- https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/latest-spac%3A-insight-into-draftkings-listing is a non-sequitur. Coverage on DraftKings is not coverage on Meckenzie, and an article that does not so much as mention Meckenzie is worthless as a source on him.
- https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/23/draftkings-to-become-public-company-forgoing-traditional-ipo.html is a non-sequitur.
- https://www.casino.org/news/shalom-mckenzie-joins-draftkings-board-holds-34-6-million-shares/ seems okay; it's at the very least closer to what we're looking for.
- We can't use https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DKNG/ ( too sparse). Stock tickers have nothing to cite, and there is zero point citing one in a biography.
- I refuse to assess https://decrypt.co/73360/draftkings-billionaire-why-i-paid-11-8-million-for-a-cryptopunk-nft ( WP:GS/CRYPTO).
- I refuse to assess https://www.dexerto.com/tech/top-10-most-expensive-nfts-ever-sold-1670505/ ( WP:GS/CRYPTO).
- Discounting the sources tied to a contentious topic, most of your sources barely even discuss Meckenzie, with some not even mentioning him at all. We do not judge sources solely by the outlet that publishes them; we have to actually read them as well and judge them based on what they say and their context. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Greetings, my article was declined because the reviewer said All music, Discogs, and streaming services are not reliable sources. I used those sites as sources because I saw that other published music articles use them. Is there a more reliable source that I should use instead for music credits? Thank you so much for your time. RUE4533 ( talk) 16:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ RUE4533: it is true that Discogs is not considered reliable, see WP:DISCOGS; it came close to being deprecated a few years ago. AllMusic is better (see WP:ALLMUSIC), but should be used with caution at best. You need to find sources that aren't user-generated, are secondary, and ideally put together by professional staff subject to editorial controls, fact-checking, etc. policies. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 16:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
RUE4533: Credits are something that do not need to be cited if their work is properly credited (reading the credits is enough to verify the claim) but they do not contribute to notability. As to why the reviewer rejected those three outlets in particular, AllMusic is a dodgy source unless you're citing its reviews, Discogs is unusable full stop (
no editorial oversight), and streaming services are unusable full stop (
connexion to subject or
unknown provenance depending on how above-board the service is). For the rest, refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
- https://headlinermagazine.net/pro-keyboardist-scott-chesak-discusses-his-production-setup-and-recent-projects.html is useless for notability ( connexion to subject). Interview.
- https://www.altpress.com/all-american-rejects-me-vs-the-world-interview/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drop.
- https://sequential.com/scott-chesak/ is useless for notability ( connexion to subject). Interview.
- https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/grammys-nominees-complete-list-2017-7597556/ is a non-sequitur and even if it weren't being a nominee by itself does not help for notability.
- https://www.billboard.com/pro/panic-at-the-disco-pray-for-the-wicked-debuts-no-1-billboard-200/ is a non-sequitur.
- https://www.papermag.com/terror-jr-925-premiere#rebelltitem5 is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drops. This is also an interview by an artist he's worked with, and so is also dodgy on those grounds.
- We can't use https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianleak/2020/12/30/premiere-the-mowglis-share-catchy-new-single-wasting-time/ ( no editorial oversight). Anything written by a Forbes contributor that wasn't run in their print edition (and thus fact-checked) is a glorified op-ed.
- https://atwoodmagazine.com/mgxm-morgxn-meridian-vol-2-ep-review-music-feature/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drop.
- None of your sources are any good. —
Jéské Couriano
v^_^v
threads
critiques
16:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for the detailed review Jéské. This has been a good learning experience thus far. I had modeled my article off of other music articles and their sources but I can see now the issues with that. Possibly Discogs and Allmusic were more reliable when those articles were approved, but not anymore. Good to know that credits do not need to be cited, when you say "reading the credits is enough to verify the claim", do you mean reading the physical cd liner notes? Or is that unusable because that is being provided by the artist and label (connexion to subject) like streaming service credits.
RUE4533 (
talk)
17:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do indeed mean reading the liner notes. However, being credited for a work doesn't help for notability in most circumstances, as (barring an
Alan Smithee credit) being credited for work you've done is
par for the course. —
Jéské Couriano
v^_^v
threads
critiques
17:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Positively. Thanks for taking a butchers and the chinwag. When/if the subject has more in depth coverage I will revisit. Until then, on to other topics RUE4533 ( talk) 21:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do indeed mean reading the liner notes. However, being credited for a work doesn't help for notability in most circumstances, as (barring an
Alan Smithee credit) being credited for work you've done is
par for the course. —
Jéské Couriano
v^_^v
threads
critiques
17:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for the detailed review Jéské. This has been a good learning experience thus far. I had modeled my article off of other music articles and their sources but I can see now the issues with that. Possibly Discogs and Allmusic were more reliable when those articles were approved, but not anymore. Good to know that credits do not need to be cited, when you say "reading the credits is enough to verify the claim", do you mean reading the physical cd liner notes? Or is that unusable because that is being provided by the artist and label (connexion to subject) like streaming service credits.
RUE4533 (
talk)
17:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- QiaoYi-Huang ( talk · contribs)
Hello, I've put continuously made effort in sourcing reliable and notable references for a this page. However, my draft was declined upon resubmission. Could you please help me review the page and provide guidance on what specific additions or changes are necessary? Thank you. QiaoYi-Huang ( talk) 21:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ QiaoYi-Huang There are some terms which fail Wikipedia's Neutrality guideline, with terms like "best" and "aiming". Are you related with this company in some way? TheNuggeteer ( talk) 02:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Jack Tarre ( talk · contribs)
I need assistance with references on this new, short article on performer and disability rights activist Jennifer Kumiyama. Three experienced Wiki editors have done a great job helping by reviewing, editing and moving the article along, but I'm a little stymied now. Of the 14 references in the article, which need upgrading and which meet Wiki standards? Thank you in advance. Please note that on the Wikipedia page for the Disney animated film "Wish" (Jennifer's most recent big screen performance) she is the only one of the eleven actors listed that does not link to a Wikipedia article. This was my initial motivation for creating the article. Jack Tarre ( talk) 22:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked two random sources and they didn't support the content that they followed. Please also note that YouTube is not a reliable source.
Theroadislong (
talk)
07:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked two more and they also didn't mention her, it is an absolute requirement that the content is supported by the sources, and please note that YouTube and interviews are not suitable sources. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 28 Information
Dear moderator added official sources from the company Can you help. Thank you Arahi991 ( talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Arahi991: as I told you already yesterday, this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further.
- I also asked you if you have a connection with Solyankich, who created Draft:Del Mar Energy, but you've not answered that? -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Official sources from the company" are completely irrelevant. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine ( talk) 09:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, This article has been declined, supposably due to lack of Reliable sources. However, Iv'e used highly regarded Israeli press and Forbes. Why was it declined again? can I receive some constructive assistance? עומר תשבי ( talk) 10:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
עומר תשבי: Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
- https://www.themarker.com/magazine/2021-05-01/ty-article-static/0000017f-db2a-d856-a37f-ffea0e0f0000 is borderline. The article is almost more about DraftKings than Meckenzie.
- https://finance.yahoo.com/news/draftkings-billionaire-backed-crypto-analytics-070000407.html?guccounter=1 is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drop.
- We can't use https://www.forbes.com/profile/shalom-meckenzie/ ( too sparse). As a rule, profiles on people/companies are not going to have enough information to cite.
- https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001378538 is borderline. Again, this is more about DraftKings than Meckenzie.
- https://hindenburgresearch.com/draftkings/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). Meckenzie is constantly name-dropped, but there's very little actual discussion of him, with the source being about, once again, DraftKings. The Globes.co.il source cites this one, in fact.
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2020/05/18/soaring-draftkings-stock-makes-israeli-entrepreneur-a-billionaire/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). No real discussion of Meckenzie.
- https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/latest-spac%3A-insight-into-draftkings-listing is a non-sequitur. Coverage on DraftKings is not coverage on Meckenzie, and an article that does not so much as mention Meckenzie is worthless as a source on him.
- https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/23/draftkings-to-become-public-company-forgoing-traditional-ipo.html is a non-sequitur.
- https://www.casino.org/news/shalom-mckenzie-joins-draftkings-board-holds-34-6-million-shares/ seems okay; it's at the very least closer to what we're looking for.
- We can't use https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DKNG/ ( too sparse). Stock tickers have nothing to cite, and there is zero point citing one in a biography.
- I refuse to assess https://decrypt.co/73360/draftkings-billionaire-why-i-paid-11-8-million-for-a-cryptopunk-nft ( WP:GS/CRYPTO).
- I refuse to assess https://www.dexerto.com/tech/top-10-most-expensive-nfts-ever-sold-1670505/ ( WP:GS/CRYPTO).
- Discounting the sources tied to a contentious topic, most of your sources barely even discuss Meckenzie, with some not even mentioning him at all. We do not judge sources solely by the outlet that publishes them; we have to actually read them as well and judge them based on what they say and their context. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Greetings, my article was declined because the reviewer said All music, Discogs, and streaming services are not reliable sources. I used those sites as sources because I saw that other published music articles use them. Is there a more reliable source that I should use instead for music credits? Thank you so much for your time. RUE4533 ( talk) 16:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ RUE4533: it is true that Discogs is not considered reliable, see WP:DISCOGS; it came close to being deprecated a few years ago. AllMusic is better (see WP:ALLMUSIC), but should be used with caution at best. You need to find sources that aren't user-generated, are secondary, and ideally put together by professional staff subject to editorial controls, fact-checking, etc. policies. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 16:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
RUE4533: Credits are something that do not need to be cited if their work is properly credited (reading the credits is enough to verify the claim) but they do not contribute to notability. As to why the reviewer rejected those three outlets in particular, AllMusic is a dodgy source unless you're citing its reviews, Discogs is unusable full stop (
no editorial oversight), and streaming services are unusable full stop (
connexion to subject or
unknown provenance depending on how above-board the service is). For the rest, refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
- https://headlinermagazine.net/pro-keyboardist-scott-chesak-discusses-his-production-setup-and-recent-projects.html is useless for notability ( connexion to subject). Interview.
- https://www.altpress.com/all-american-rejects-me-vs-the-world-interview/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drop.
- https://sequential.com/scott-chesak/ is useless for notability ( connexion to subject). Interview.
- https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/grammys-nominees-complete-list-2017-7597556/ is a non-sequitur and even if it weren't being a nominee by itself does not help for notability.
- https://www.billboard.com/pro/panic-at-the-disco-pray-for-the-wicked-debuts-no-1-billboard-200/ is a non-sequitur.
- https://www.papermag.com/terror-jr-925-premiere#rebelltitem5 is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drops. This is also an interview by an artist he's worked with, and so is also dodgy on those grounds.
- We can't use https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianleak/2020/12/30/premiere-the-mowglis-share-catchy-new-single-wasting-time/ ( no editorial oversight). Anything written by a Forbes contributor that wasn't run in their print edition (and thus fact-checked) is a glorified op-ed.
- https://atwoodmagazine.com/mgxm-morgxn-meridian-vol-2-ep-review-music-feature/ is useless for notability ( too sparse). Name-drop.
- None of your sources are any good. —
Jéské Couriano
v^_^v
threads
critiques
16:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for the detailed review Jéské. This has been a good learning experience thus far. I had modeled my article off of other music articles and their sources but I can see now the issues with that. Possibly Discogs and Allmusic were more reliable when those articles were approved, but not anymore. Good to know that credits do not need to be cited, when you say "reading the credits is enough to verify the claim", do you mean reading the physical cd liner notes? Or is that unusable because that is being provided by the artist and label (connexion to subject) like streaming service credits.
RUE4533 (
talk)
17:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do indeed mean reading the liner notes. However, being credited for a work doesn't help for notability in most circumstances, as (barring an
Alan Smithee credit) being credited for work you've done is
par for the course. —
Jéské Couriano
v^_^v
threads
critiques
17:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Positively. Thanks for taking a butchers and the chinwag. When/if the subject has more in depth coverage I will revisit. Until then, on to other topics RUE4533 ( talk) 21:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do indeed mean reading the liner notes. However, being credited for a work doesn't help for notability in most circumstances, as (barring an
Alan Smithee credit) being credited for work you've done is
par for the course. —
Jéské Couriano
v^_^v
threads
critiques
17:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for the detailed review Jéské. This has been a good learning experience thus far. I had modeled my article off of other music articles and their sources but I can see now the issues with that. Possibly Discogs and Allmusic were more reliable when those articles were approved, but not anymore. Good to know that credits do not need to be cited, when you say "reading the credits is enough to verify the claim", do you mean reading the physical cd liner notes? Or is that unusable because that is being provided by the artist and label (connexion to subject) like streaming service credits.
RUE4533 (
talk)
17:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- QiaoYi-Huang ( talk · contribs)
Hello, I've put continuously made effort in sourcing reliable and notable references for a this page. However, my draft was declined upon resubmission. Could you please help me review the page and provide guidance on what specific additions or changes are necessary? Thank you. QiaoYi-Huang ( talk) 21:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ QiaoYi-Huang There are some terms which fail Wikipedia's Neutrality guideline, with terms like "best" and "aiming". Are you related with this company in some way? TheNuggeteer ( talk) 02:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Jack Tarre ( talk · contribs)
I need assistance with references on this new, short article on performer and disability rights activist Jennifer Kumiyama. Three experienced Wiki editors have done a great job helping by reviewing, editing and moving the article along, but I'm a little stymied now. Of the 14 references in the article, which need upgrading and which meet Wiki standards? Thank you in advance. Please note that on the Wikipedia page for the Disney animated film "Wish" (Jennifer's most recent big screen performance) she is the only one of the eleven actors listed that does not link to a Wikipedia article. This was my initial motivation for creating the article. Jack Tarre ( talk) 22:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked two random sources and they didn't support the content that they followed. Please also note that YouTube is not a reliable source.
Theroadislong (
talk)
07:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked two more and they also didn't mention her, it is an absolute requirement that the content is supported by the sources, and please note that YouTube and interviews are not suitable sources. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)