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Re: /info/en/?search=Draft:Sandro_Mencucci#Sportive_Achievements
I would like to know if under the stated guidelines that "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." if the following resources qualify being reputable secondary resources in Italy on par with the New York Times in the USA: La Repubblica, Corriere della Sera, Corriere dello Sport, Corriere Fiorentino is published by Corriere della Sera, La Nazione, Giornale della Toscana, [1] The Hindu, The New York Times, La Gazzetta dello Sport which publishes their online version also known as violanews.com, The Indian Super League, The Vietnam News Agency, The SportsPro Media Ltd
in addition to:
transfermarkt.com the leading website to know player an club values [2] tuttomercatoweb.com one of the leading European websites with news about calico [3] ilsitodifirenze.it is published by Il Sito d'Italia which features articles registered with the Tribunale Civile di Firenze n.5811 del 29 dicembre 2010. [4] fiorentina.it is published by C&C Media Srl and is registered in the press archives with the Tribunale di Firenze con il n. 5050/01 del 27 apr 2001. Partita IVA 06783020966 [5] Calciopress.net specializes in articles that focus on first division news, interviews, editorials and championship results and classifications and is registered with the Tribunale di Firenze atto 5591 del 04/07/2007 [6] Firenzepost.it is an online edition published by Toscana Comunicazione srl registered to the Operatori della Comunicazione n° 23080 [7] womenssoccerunited.com is a worldwide source of information [8] sportbusinessmanagement.it portal specializing in sports economics and finance [9]
violachannel.tv is only referenced when the subject is directly credited and quoted for his contributions to the success and accomplishments instigated by the same subject. [10]
Please kindly explain how any of the above reputable resources are not "reputable published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject"
Thank you for your time.
References
- ^ http://www.giornaletoscana.it/
- ^ http://www.transfermarkt.com/
- ^ http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/
- ^ http://www.ilsitodifirenze.it/
- ^ http://fiorentina.it./it/category/home.1/home-page.html
- ^ http://www.calciopress.net./
- ^ http://www.firenzepost.it/
- ^ http://womenssoccerunited.com/
- ^ http://www.sportbusinessmanagement.it./
- ^ http://it.violachannel.tv/?lang=it
11lionsd ( talk) 00:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi 11lionsd, You have listed many fine publications. I examined a few citations at random:
- Does [1] support any part of the text where cited? No it does not. Possibly the draft is confusing budget with market value.
- Do any of the following contain a significant depth of coverage of Sandro Mencucci: [2], [3], [4], [5], and [6]? No, they do not. Each contains a sentence, perhaps two about Mencucci, often in the form of direct quotes. These brief mentions are useless for the purposes of notability. What constitutes significant coverage of a sports team CEO? Here are two examples for George Steinbrenner: [7] and [8].
- If the rest of the sources are like the six chosen at random, then the draft fails to demonstrate the subject's notability. If three in-depth sources like the Steinbrenner examples are hidden among the others, then the bulk of the article should rest on them and the remaining sources should be ruthlessly cut back. Including sources of so little value is a form of WP:CITEKILL that hurts the draft's chances of approval.
- The point of the Bibliography section is unclear, since none of those books listed there is cited as a reference for anything in the draft. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 02:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Worldbruce, Thank you for the detailed description. You make some fine points. There are indeed more in depth examples in the Bibliography. It will be a good idea for me to reference more of those. I think the issue here is that the subject tends to speak more about his initiatives rather than his personal contribution. While in the books the author's take more time to speak about the subjects contributions and successes. I will work on refining the references as you have indicated. For example, the feature article which speaks exclusively about the subject and his contributions and also happens to have an interview such as the following: [9] "Dopo nove mesi resucita la Fiorentina" would be a better example of what I believe you are trying to convey to me. All of those books took a significant amount of time compiling and making sure that the subject was featured.
Let me work on this using your example of Steinbrenner. Thank you once again. 11lionsd ( talk) 03:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Vinceeric07 ( talk · contribs)
Vinceeric07 ( talk) 02:12, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello @ Vinceeric07:, what is your question? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 00:10, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Why is my article rejected by an editor who does not associate with IP editors? "Also, I rarely respond to anonymous IP editors. If you want to participate here, please create an account. It's not hard and allows your work to be associated with you."
If he doesn't want to interact with me, and doesn't want IPs participating at Wikipedia, maybe he should not deal with IP posts at AFC or AFC at all.
2600:380:985F:CE86:907F:40C4:452D:8F8F ( talk) 14:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC) 2600:380:985F:CE86:907F:40C4:452D:8F8F ( talk) 14:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Now the article has been rejected because I did not include page numbers. How do you ever get articles written on Wikipedia? Page numbers is not an AFC requirement. 2601:283:4301:D3A6:79FB:F747:82E7:C781 ( talk) 15:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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17:02:44, 13 March 2016 review of submission by Oriabr
Dear Robert,
I am not sure that I understand your recent remark:"Leaving speedy deletion template up. I'll let an administrator decide whether speedy is necessary. "
If you can please advise on how I can upload 'NIRU Group' value to wikipedia.
I appreciate your assitance. Ori
- Hi Oriabr, I've left a comment on the draft explaining why you should not anticipate Wikipedia adding an article about NIRU Group. Worldbruce ( talk) 15:21, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Edgfeinberg ( talk · contribs)
I have edited the original draft, putting in references in the proscribed manner - which I did not do before. As an additional reference I have available a picture of the subject's gravesite on Mt. Olives which ties into the end of the tale. Is this a proper thing to add to an article and if so, how do I do that?
- Hi Edgfeinberg, Unless you took the picture yourself, you probably aren't allowed to upload it. The copyright is generally held by the photographer. Whether you may upload the photo or not, anything shown in it, such as a marker, is a primary source and thus has limited value. A marker that shows a date of death likely would be accepted as a reliable source for the date. There is a {{ cite sign}} template that can be used to reference such a source. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 17:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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March 13 Information
Re: /info/en/?search=Draft:Sandro_Mencucci#Sportive_Achievements
I would like to know if under the stated guidelines that "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." if the following resources qualify being reputable secondary resources in Italy on par with the New York Times in the USA: La Repubblica, Corriere della Sera, Corriere dello Sport, Corriere Fiorentino is published by Corriere della Sera, La Nazione, Giornale della Toscana, [1] The Hindu, The New York Times, La Gazzetta dello Sport which publishes their online version also known as violanews.com, The Indian Super League, The Vietnam News Agency, The SportsPro Media Ltd
in addition to:
transfermarkt.com the leading website to know player an club values [2] tuttomercatoweb.com one of the leading European websites with news about calico [3] ilsitodifirenze.it is published by Il Sito d'Italia which features articles registered with the Tribunale Civile di Firenze n.5811 del 29 dicembre 2010. [4] fiorentina.it is published by C&C Media Srl and is registered in the press archives with the Tribunale di Firenze con il n. 5050/01 del 27 apr 2001. Partita IVA 06783020966 [5] Calciopress.net specializes in articles that focus on first division news, interviews, editorials and championship results and classifications and is registered with the Tribunale di Firenze atto 5591 del 04/07/2007 [6] Firenzepost.it is an online edition published by Toscana Comunicazione srl registered to the Operatori della Comunicazione n° 23080 [7] womenssoccerunited.com is a worldwide source of information [8] sportbusinessmanagement.it portal specializing in sports economics and finance [9]
violachannel.tv is only referenced when the subject is directly credited and quoted for his contributions to the success and accomplishments instigated by the same subject. [10]
Please kindly explain how any of the above reputable resources are not "reputable published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject"
Thank you for your time.
References
- ^ http://www.giornaletoscana.it/
- ^ http://www.transfermarkt.com/
- ^ http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/
- ^ http://www.ilsitodifirenze.it/
- ^ http://fiorentina.it./it/category/home.1/home-page.html
- ^ http://www.calciopress.net./
- ^ http://www.firenzepost.it/
- ^ http://womenssoccerunited.com/
- ^ http://www.sportbusinessmanagement.it./
- ^ http://it.violachannel.tv/?lang=it
11lionsd ( talk) 00:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi 11lionsd, You have listed many fine publications. I examined a few citations at random:
- Does [1] support any part of the text where cited? No it does not. Possibly the draft is confusing budget with market value.
- Do any of the following contain a significant depth of coverage of Sandro Mencucci: [2], [3], [4], [5], and [6]? No, they do not. Each contains a sentence, perhaps two about Mencucci, often in the form of direct quotes. These brief mentions are useless for the purposes of notability. What constitutes significant coverage of a sports team CEO? Here are two examples for George Steinbrenner: [7] and [8].
- If the rest of the sources are like the six chosen at random, then the draft fails to demonstrate the subject's notability. If three in-depth sources like the Steinbrenner examples are hidden among the others, then the bulk of the article should rest on them and the remaining sources should be ruthlessly cut back. Including sources of so little value is a form of WP:CITEKILL that hurts the draft's chances of approval.
- The point of the Bibliography section is unclear, since none of those books listed there is cited as a reference for anything in the draft. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 02:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Worldbruce, Thank you for the detailed description. You make some fine points. There are indeed more in depth examples in the Bibliography. It will be a good idea for me to reference more of those. I think the issue here is that the subject tends to speak more about his initiatives rather than his personal contribution. While in the books the author's take more time to speak about the subjects contributions and successes. I will work on refining the references as you have indicated. For example, the feature article which speaks exclusively about the subject and his contributions and also happens to have an interview such as the following: [9] "Dopo nove mesi resucita la Fiorentina" would be a better example of what I believe you are trying to convey to me. All of those books took a significant amount of time compiling and making sure that the subject was featured.
Let me work on this using your example of Steinbrenner. Thank you once again. 11lionsd ( talk) 03:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Vinceeric07 ( talk · contribs)
Vinceeric07 ( talk) 02:12, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hello @ Vinceeric07:, what is your question? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 00:10, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Why is my article rejected by an editor who does not associate with IP editors? "Also, I rarely respond to anonymous IP editors. If you want to participate here, please create an account. It's not hard and allows your work to be associated with you."
If he doesn't want to interact with me, and doesn't want IPs participating at Wikipedia, maybe he should not deal with IP posts at AFC or AFC at all.
2600:380:985F:CE86:907F:40C4:452D:8F8F ( talk) 14:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC) 2600:380:985F:CE86:907F:40C4:452D:8F8F ( talk) 14:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Now the article has been rejected because I did not include page numbers. How do you ever get articles written on Wikipedia? Page numbers is not an AFC requirement. 2601:283:4301:D3A6:79FB:F747:82E7:C781 ( talk) 15:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
{{SAFESUBST:Void|
17:02:44, 13 March 2016 review of submission by Oriabr
Dear Robert,
I am not sure that I understand your recent remark:"Leaving speedy deletion template up. I'll let an administrator decide whether speedy is necessary. "
If you can please advise on how I can upload 'NIRU Group' value to wikipedia.
I appreciate your assitance. Ori
- Hi Oriabr, I've left a comment on the draft explaining why you should not anticipate Wikipedia adding an article about NIRU Group. Worldbruce ( talk) 15:21, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Edgfeinberg ( talk · contribs)
I have edited the original draft, putting in references in the proscribed manner - which I did not do before. As an additional reference I have available a picture of the subject's gravesite on Mt. Olives which ties into the end of the tale. Is this a proper thing to add to an article and if so, how do I do that?
- Hi Edgfeinberg, Unless you took the picture yourself, you probably aren't allowed to upload it. The copyright is generally held by the photographer. Whether you may upload the photo or not, anything shown in it, such as a marker, is a primary source and thus has limited value. A marker that shows a date of death likely would be accepted as a reliable source for the date. There is a {{ cite sign}} template that can be used to reference such a source. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 17:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)