I have substantially enlarged the Chiswick House and Gardens entry from the initial entry of one page to reflect their iconic and important status in the history of Europeon architectural and garden design. I have included many relevant photographs to illustrate the text and have included detailed footnotes and comprehensive bibliography. I have also included all the recent research and findings from scholars who have recognised the importance of Chiswick House and its architect. I feel this article warrants a much better class rating for quality and architectural importance. Please review all sections. Thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivalrick1 ( talk • contribs) 29 October 2010
I think that's enough for now, let me know if you agree or want to discuss these points - there's nothing that can't be debated - my opinion v yours. Then we can take another look. Giacomo Returned 09:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Some observations. GiacomoReturned drew my attention to this article here, but I need to say up front that "I know nothing" about architecture. What I do know a little about though is writing, so my comments are focused on that aspect of the article.
Having read and re-read the page, I think this section "Alternative interpretations for the use of the Villa" needs be taken away to a page of its own (and linked in the "see also" section) and take all the Masonic and Jacobite theories with it. They are not convincing me at all and furthermore they are detracting from the architectural and factual history of the house - as one who has studied Palladio in depth and 17th and 18th century social history, I could drive a coach and horses through some of the assertions supporting theories there, so if I can, I know some of our other editors will too - this is an encyclopedia not a debating chamber. I strongly doubt the page can get through FAC with all of that there - it's all just too theoretical and tenuous to be encyclopedic. sorry. Giacomo Returned 22:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Since I only feel qualified to look over sourcing and files, that is all I have done. I looked quickly over the sourcing and it all looks great. The quotes make fact checking easy for other reviews and such. What style of sourcing in particular are you using? As for files, the article looks a bit cluttered right now with so many images. I am not sure how much this is going be expanded but, removing a few may improve readability. After lab tomorrow, I will look over all the images for the copyright formalities. I hope this helps. --
Guerillero |
My Talk
03:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
There are a few file pages that you may run into a issue with:
The biggest thing is that they list the author as you. cheers --
Guerillero |
My Talk
04:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
I will be happy to go through this and add citation needed tags on sentences and pargraphs which require sourcing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:33, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, GA would clearly be possible right now, it has FA potential eventually, but needs a LOT of work. Lets try to get it to GA first then. I just made a map showing surroundings but it could use a Greater London locator in the infobox given that at the moment no borough locator exists. I'm not sure though UK property infobox has that option. Any objections to swapping it with Template:Infobox building, no parameters would be lost as far as I'm aware.. London locator pin features on File:Greater London UK location map 2.svg. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Yikes, I just saw the references. Not good. Its barely got any actual reference which is verifiable and no page numbers from the books or papers.. Its mostly long notes which are not actual references... The information of course if from any book or magazine given in the bibliography needs the exact page numbers and authors in the notes/references, just listing them isn't adequate of course.... What I can do is add citation tags to all those which needs it and in the coming days try to find as many verifiable sources as possible but the principal author will need to replace/modify the notes with proper sources and will require a lot of effort in scouting for sources... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll give it a complete overhaul in the next few days. I've only reached around 1800 in the history at the moment, more to add form several sources I found. You can kind of see where its headed with structure and sourcing and what I've edited/written so far. I'll replace those notes which proper sources soon enough. No major rush though, I'll work on this gradually over the next month, it doe shave potential to be at least GA and the amount of potential sources is astounding, which means even more so that time must be taken with research to ensure it is really comprehensive..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:32, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks guys are looking at this and making edits. I will find the exact references needed over the next few days. I have all the books on the bibliography either in my library at home or at work (Chiswick House). But please keep me in the loop as I spent a vast amount of time expanding this entry and taking photographs to make it a worthy entry for this iconic piece of architecture Chivalrick1 ( talk) 22:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivalrick1 ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I have substantially enlarged the Chiswick House and Gardens entry from the initial entry of one page to reflect their iconic and important status in the history of Europeon architectural and garden design. I have included many relevant photographs to illustrate the text and have included detailed footnotes and comprehensive bibliography. I have also included all the recent research and findings from scholars who have recognised the importance of Chiswick House and its architect. I feel this article warrants a much better class rating for quality and architectural importance. Please review all sections. Thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivalrick1 ( talk • contribs) 29 October 2010
I think that's enough for now, let me know if you agree or want to discuss these points - there's nothing that can't be debated - my opinion v yours. Then we can take another look. Giacomo Returned 09:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Some observations. GiacomoReturned drew my attention to this article here, but I need to say up front that "I know nothing" about architecture. What I do know a little about though is writing, so my comments are focused on that aspect of the article.
Having read and re-read the page, I think this section "Alternative interpretations for the use of the Villa" needs be taken away to a page of its own (and linked in the "see also" section) and take all the Masonic and Jacobite theories with it. They are not convincing me at all and furthermore they are detracting from the architectural and factual history of the house - as one who has studied Palladio in depth and 17th and 18th century social history, I could drive a coach and horses through some of the assertions supporting theories there, so if I can, I know some of our other editors will too - this is an encyclopedia not a debating chamber. I strongly doubt the page can get through FAC with all of that there - it's all just too theoretical and tenuous to be encyclopedic. sorry. Giacomo Returned 22:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Since I only feel qualified to look over sourcing and files, that is all I have done. I looked quickly over the sourcing and it all looks great. The quotes make fact checking easy for other reviews and such. What style of sourcing in particular are you using? As for files, the article looks a bit cluttered right now with so many images. I am not sure how much this is going be expanded but, removing a few may improve readability. After lab tomorrow, I will look over all the images for the copyright formalities. I hope this helps. --
Guerillero |
My Talk
03:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
There are a few file pages that you may run into a issue with:
The biggest thing is that they list the author as you. cheers --
Guerillero |
My Talk
04:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
I will be happy to go through this and add citation needed tags on sentences and pargraphs which require sourcing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:33, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, GA would clearly be possible right now, it has FA potential eventually, but needs a LOT of work. Lets try to get it to GA first then. I just made a map showing surroundings but it could use a Greater London locator in the infobox given that at the moment no borough locator exists. I'm not sure though UK property infobox has that option. Any objections to swapping it with Template:Infobox building, no parameters would be lost as far as I'm aware.. London locator pin features on File:Greater London UK location map 2.svg. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Yikes, I just saw the references. Not good. Its barely got any actual reference which is verifiable and no page numbers from the books or papers.. Its mostly long notes which are not actual references... The information of course if from any book or magazine given in the bibliography needs the exact page numbers and authors in the notes/references, just listing them isn't adequate of course.... What I can do is add citation tags to all those which needs it and in the coming days try to find as many verifiable sources as possible but the principal author will need to replace/modify the notes with proper sources and will require a lot of effort in scouting for sources... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll give it a complete overhaul in the next few days. I've only reached around 1800 in the history at the moment, more to add form several sources I found. You can kind of see where its headed with structure and sourcing and what I've edited/written so far. I'll replace those notes which proper sources soon enough. No major rush though, I'll work on this gradually over the next month, it doe shave potential to be at least GA and the amount of potential sources is astounding, which means even more so that time must be taken with research to ensure it is really comprehensive..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:32, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks guys are looking at this and making edits. I will find the exact references needed over the next few days. I have all the books on the bibliography either in my library at home or at work (Chiswick House). But please keep me in the loop as I spent a vast amount of time expanding this entry and taking photographs to make it a worthy entry for this iconic piece of architecture Chivalrick1 ( talk) 22:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivalrick1 ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)