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Knowledge requires definitions. There are two roads that wikipedia can go down.
When I first came to the site I saw its potential for the latter. Now I am beginning to have doubts. What good is a compendium of human knowledge that can't tell you what a compendium is? If you want a list of three letter abbreviations however...
Think about it. Bensaccount 23:38, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Nation vs. numb: there is something to say about varying perspectives, change over time, meaning in political and social contexts, etc. for each. The real difference is that for numb these are well defined whereas for nation they remain less clear.
If everything defined was taken out, where would we be? Bensaccount 00:06, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm in the process of losing all hope in wikipedia here. You say "significance, history, effects, related concepts and so on" but what I want to hear is "shorter more precice, more organized information about".
I dont think you understand. I will not return to this page again today but I will continue to add and organize info at least until tomorrow, no longer in hope that it will help present the worlds info in a more organized way but because it helps me study for the test tommorow. Bensaccount 00:32, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Ben---as for articles being "shorter and more precise"---obviously there's merit to being concise and to the point, but that doesn't necessarily mean being shorter. If there is a lot to say about a subject, there is no reason not to say it, since length is not a restriction. Please feel free to improve any article you find that has problems with conciseness, provided that does not mean effectively turning a thorough discussion into bullet points. And of course there are some issues with lack of organization here; when thousands of relative strangers randomly contribute to any article they like, quite a bit of messiness can result. We always welcome those who would like to put their time into making Wikipedia more organized and coherent; I think if you spend a little more time here, you'll be impressed with how well the system works, and with how most problems tend to be self-correcting. -- Wapcaplet 23:03, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why do the links at The Dils (to roots rock and Los Angeles, California) not work? Tuf-Kat 21:53, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
I find a page for roots rock reggae (redirect), but I don't see one for roots rock; the los angeles links work fine for me here & there. Elf 22:17, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
217.230.179.232 has added 3 Gandhi extlinks not only to Mohandas Gandhi (where they belong), but continues to add the same links to over a dozen loosly related articles. I think it's enough to have them in the article where they're most relevant...comments? Mkweise 21:18, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Should Sound power & Sound intensity level be merged into one article? -- SGBailey 2004-03-04
Suddenly I've started receiving all sorts of e-mails discussing article edits. Has there been a recent change that encourages e-mailing? I think this is a major change for the worse; such discussions should be preserved for all to see on the appropriate talk page. Mkweise 12:47, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Actually I have also started receiving many emails from Wikipedians. I also prefer to communicate with others using e-mail, and not the talk pages. I don't know why everyone started using e-mail suddenly, but probably it has something to do with mirrors who copy the talk pages. (that's also my reason I use email). My advice is not to use the talkpages unless the discussed topic needs to be public. Optim 14:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I agree that it is very important to have openness on Wikipedia, and that things related to Wikipedia should be discussed on publicly visible Talk pages. Any Wikipedia-related issues that need to be discussed in realtime should be taken to the Wikipedia IRC channel. IMs and e-mails should be reserved for private, non-Wikipedia-related contact. -- Skyfaller 02:49, 2004 Mar 6 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that it be made compulsory for anonymous users to put something (anything!) in the edit summary box. I would like to make it compulsory for everyone but I'm willing to start small and work up. -- Phil 11:02, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
Good idea, I would like to see it compulsury for people to add a summary of copyright details on pictures they've uploaded as well, because on many of them you havn't a clue where they've come from. G-Man 19:26, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hmmmm. Just as you can't legislate morality, I doubt that forcing people to do what they don't want to do will help here. I agree with the comments on image copyrights... It's a pet peeve of mine. But software is not the way to go IMO. Rather we need to somehow motivate image contributors to provide the info. At present I suspect that many of the unattributed images are deliberately so, because the contributors know they are violating copyright but don't care and don't think Wikipedia should either. Andrewa 17:45, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Au contraire, if there are other contributors anything like me, they upload the photo and then *maybe* they've at some time in the past seen a page somewhere that talks about what kind of copyright info you're supposed to put on the image page, but they don't remember where and it's a pain to find it. Or they simply went straight to the image upload and never saw the detailed info on what's expected on copyrights in the image description. Could the image page automatically be filled in with boilerplate, prompts, links to help dense and/or lazy people like me get the right info in place? Elf 20:57, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
B-flat hemidemisemiquaver. HTH HAND -- Phil 11:03, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
I noticed the new front page design which has the ability to switch between a table version and nontable version. I was just wondering why the nontable version is so neutered? A CSS version of the table-based design is perfectly possible. I'm fairly into the whole "CSS thing" so I was wondering if there's some sort of place where this type is decided or where people can contribute? -- 132.162.225.93 06:12, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hey folks, sorry this isn't directly about Wikipedia, but I have a meta question over at the Mozilla Knowledge Base, which is a brand new wiki instruction manual for Mozilla software that runs on the MediaWiki software. I wrote up an article about why limited use of categories is actually useful for the Mozilla KB, and why the current article naming scheme there should be changed. I basically got the go-ahead to implement my suggested changes, because there doesn't seem to be anyone else there who is experienced with the Wikipedia software and culture who could/would agree or disagree with me. I'm pretty sure that my suggested changes are a good idea, but I thought I'd post to the Wikipedia community to get feedback before I follow through. What do you folks think? -- Skyfaller 03:33, 2004 Mar 4 (UTC)
As near as I can tell, the years 1154 to 1275 are the only years in our series with a section called "Heads of State" or "Monarchs/Presidents". These lists are ridiculously hard to construct (as a monarch who reigned from 1213 to 1255 would only link to those two years, and not those intervening), and are currently woefully incomplete. May I go through and delete that section, or are they there for a reason? Anyone know? Jwrosenzweig 20:23, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It seems to me that the fact that they're ridiculously hard to construct would be a reason not to delete them. Anthony DiPierro 20:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I like the idea because it gives context for what was happening around the world at that time (and gives context for what was happening for ongoing events between nations, e.g. wars). About a week ago, I was working on a replacement for this section that looked a little nicer and made more sense visually here but back-burnered it until I could think about it some more. But this is just as good a time as any to solicit feedback on it. If anyone has any feedback on that, please use that discussion page. RadicalBender 20:53, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps what is needed is a software-supported way to link to a range of dates rather than to specific dates. This wouldn't be a link you could follow, just one that would show up on some sort of search, similar to what links here. The obvious uses are in biographies and reigns, but there would be others... the period of long voyages and other expeditions, for example. It might also be useful for numeric ranges other than dates. Lots to consider. Food for thought? Andrewa 22:59, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The current situation with Wikipedia:Protected page and Wikipedia:Unprotected page is untenable. There are multiple listings for pages and it is difficult to coordinate between the two. It is better to have the history of a page's protection and unprotection in a single list. Angela proposed keeping the main list in a separate page on Wikipedia talk:Unprotected page. silsor 18:44, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why on Random walk the link to Drunkard's Walk is red (for page doesn't exist) and yet it takes you to the artciles edit page where text exists. From there you can cancel and read the article. -- SGBailey 15:18, 2004 Mar 3 (UTC)
This probably isn't the best place to ask, but I've recently installed MediaWiki on a site of my own. A few people have expressed concern to me about the software keeping and publicly displaying their IP addresses (either fear of being cracked, or privacy concerns, or what, I don't know). Blatant nonsense, but I don't have the technological smarts to shoot them down. I imagine potential Wikipedia contributors must ask the same question from time to time, but I can't find a FAQ on it or similar, nor on Meta. Any thoughts? Calum 12:42, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Where can i find who wrote this page??? for parenthetical sitations......
T think that this aticle is incroect and i want to ask you if you may change it to the right stuff pleses because i need the right information.
Apparently a German business school is using our site for a massive project. The main article page is here: Customer Experience Management (CEM) but there are myriads of these articles. Users are not logged in, and I can't tell whether they have any idea about NPOV or anything else here. I've tried leaving messages on their talk pages, at first confused and concerned they were a business, but then simply asking them for details of their project to go to Wikipedia:School and university projects. Of course, if they're not getting usernames, I don't know that they know about talk pages or will have the same IP address next time. Anyone know anything about this? Anyone have an idea of how to communicate with them? I feel very lost. Jwrosenzweig 00:02, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am using the Wikipedia for a project, though more to introduce the students to collaborative software - and I do keep track of what they are doing. About 40 students, Master level TechStrat course, details at Wikipedia:School and university projects, at User:Espen/gra6821, and at the course home page. Assignment handin on March 15, 2004, hopefully some of these people will continue contributing (the Norwegian version sure could do with a few more articles.) Espen 11:52, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
So the talk page just has to include the copyright disclaimer. Thats sounds good to me. I will now copy the nystate text to the wikipoedia article. Thanks Raul!! Perl 00:01, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Copyright, Disclaimer & Privacy
© 2000-2003 New York State Division of Military & Naval Affairs
and NY National Guard. All rights reserved.
Permission to use, copy and distribute the materials contained in these Web pages without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice appears in all copies and that the name or any trademark of The New York State Division of Military & Naval Affairs and the New York National Guard not be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the information without the National Guard's specific, written permission.
Can the state of new york hold copyright? I want to copy this to wikipedia, but I am not sure if it is in the public domain. Perl 23:11, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
( →Raul654) Just look here:
Although indexing is bound to be a problem on sites as dynamic as 'pedia, for the most part, it seems to be working very well. However, there are various anomalies. Most notably, tonight on IRC someone noticed that google has indexed (and cached) several non-existant articles, such as this: [1] ((Malapropos: is anyone seeing render problems w/overlaping google disclaimer and wikilogo? Mozilla Firefox)) One solution which came to mind, was to add <meta name="robots" content="NOARCHIVE"> or similar tags to the template for non-existant articles. However, a much more elagant solution was proposed by another person on IRC: Enact an Apache Mod_Rewrite rule similar to "RewriteRule ^/edit/(.*)$ /wiki/wiki.phtml?title=$1&action=edit [L]" and instruct spiders to avoid /edit/....... in the robots.txt file. This has the addition effect of making a direct link to an edit page easier to type and considerably more sightly (to non perl-programers :-).
Also, I have wondered increasingly since my recent arrival in the community why Talk: pages are allowed to be indexed/cached, and to a slightly lesser extent, User pages. Most of the preceding could apply equally to those.
Thanks for reading. nsh 20:49, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC) talk
nsh: edit pages have long been forbidden by our robots.txt along with other dynamic pages (it wouldn't do for spiders to go through every possible combination of diffs in the history!), and further contain <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">. However if Google catches a live link to a page that is later deleted, or follows an interwiki or otherwise manually constructed link to a page that may not have existed, it does end up at the "(There is currently no text in this page)". This is fairly rare but is a little annoying, yes. Perhaps we'll change it to return a 404 code (with the same output) for nonexitent pages; this would help with automated tools in general.
And yes, the Google header overlaps with the Wikipedia header. CSS absolute positioning doesn't agree with somebody else slipping text into your page. :) -- Brion 18:20, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The pages were cut 'n pasted around January 19 of this year. -- seav 13:51, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
We're being vandalized by a user using the 212.185.249.x range. I'd like to block the entire 212.185.249.x range. At the block user page, I entered 212.185.249.40/80, and it blocked the 212.185.0.x range. Can someone tell me what I should enter? →Raul654 02:09, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)
Hello, not that good with this kinda thing. When you read a site's copyright page and it says something to the effect of: This site and its contents may be used only for personal, noncommercial use. All worldwide rights, titles and interests are reserved.
Does that mean one may use their material as long as it is not for profit?
Thanks
fixed
I don't know whether this should be here or the reference desk but does anyone know what this is:
Thanks. Secretlondon 17:59, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm a keen photographer and have posted some of my own images like on this page. At present I've put on the GFDL tag but I'm wondering what is most appropriate. I really only want to permit the photos use on Wikipedia. Any ideas?? Jgritz 13:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Dear Sir, We have 20 pair ariel Telephone Cable. We want to lay out the cable to connect our telephone lines from the last delivery point available at the site, which is about 3 kilometer Distance from our office. Due to some reason, we have to take about 1.5 kms in the ground 3 feet deep. We would like to know is it ok to take 20 pair ariel cable underground plus, please advice what precautions should we take during layout as there is water seepage in some parts of the land dig out for the cable.
An early answer will be appreciated as we have to lay cable as soon as possible.
from
Najmul Hassan Pakistan.
najmhassan@hotmail.com
The reason is surely that Wikipedia is a bunch of people obsessed with researching and publishing information. It's a fair chance that someone will be interested and inclined to answer the gentleman. For better or worse, we're a community of compulsive altrustic researchers.
Mark Richards 07:21, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
More and more article types (Space Shuttle Missions and Albums, to name a couple) are getting rather complex standard formats, apparently under the heading "Wikiprojects". While I can see that from a user's perspective these are nice, if not necessarily more useful than straight text, but from a potential editor's perspective they are daunting. Two weeks ago if a neophyte potential editor clicked "edit this page" at Four Symbols, for example, he/she got a nice window with the first couple paragraphs of source text in it. A few formatting characters, too, but nothing he/she had to know to make an edit. Today if a newbie tries to edit the same page they get a faceful of quasi-HTML code -- run away! Yes, they can, if they are brave, scroll down to where the meat is, but I think folks who know and are comfortable with such markups highly underestimate the chilling effect they have on potential editors. As far as I can tell, Wikipedia has always valued content over form; it seems we want everybody, not just web gurus, to be able to effectively participate in the 'pedia both as a user and as an editor, right? Then there needs to be a way to do a formatless edit (actually an edit of text only keeping the existing format in place). I'd go so far to say that fancy formats should be put on hold until such a tool exists.
Forgive me if this has been or is being hashed out somewhere else, and if so, please point me. I think it's important, though. Jgm 06:03, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
OK, another weird thing. The thumbnail in the
Australian Shepherd breed table displayed fine 20 minutes ago. I didn't change the Image statement at all, but I did go to the image page and edited its text. Now the thumbnail doesn't display. Clicking the magnifying glass works OK. (Simply editing the image description page doesn't seem to be the problem, because I tried it with one of the other thumbnails.) Can anyone else see the thumbnail? If not, anyone know why it's gone?
Elf 05:36, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) I quit out of my browser and restarted and that fixed it.
Elf 05:52, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
When I hover over a check box a little yellow rectangle appears that says "Select any two versions to diff them". This sounds like a terrific new feature (thank you to whoever had the idea, and whoever programmed it) and I'd like to make use of it, but I don't understand what I'm supposed to do. I've selected two versions. There are two little ticks next to the versions I want to "diff". What do I do now? Sorry to trouble you with this, but I can't find an answer in the help pages. GrahamN 05:01, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oh. Is it JavaScript or Active-X or one of those things? If I turn all that nonsense on it just slows down this crappy old 486 computer I'm using. Is there not a simpler way? GrahamN 05:19, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Maybe some nice developer could add a little "show diff" button that we script refuseniks could click on to make use of this fantastic new feature? GrahamN 06:47, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why is it that we don't tell people how much their contributions are appreciated until after they leave? Wouldn't it be a lot better to give someone a kind word while they're here? →Raul654 03:11, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
If every editor made a point of sending one nice comment to another editor each day, this would look like a very supportive place. If you find yourself saying "whoa, good article" while reading one, just let everybody know! Stan 17:42, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Or we could do a MacDonald like thing say, Wikipedian of the month. Or some sort of Oscars. I can imagine the thrill... Muriel 17:57, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The W3.org HTML validator finds an erroneous </p><p> in the Honeysuckle article--there's no such thing if you click Edit this page. (You have to save the whole page and upload it--if you try and run the validator direct on the site it gets a 403 error.) Niteowlneils 02:44, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Due to the confusing nature of the last poll, we have restarted the poll about what to remove from the sidebar in order to link the Community Portal page. Vote at Wikipedia talk:Community Portal#New sidebar poll.
And this has solved the problem! The extra line doesn't even appear on the page. jaknouse 23:21, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The problem with getting an up-to-date browser is that I am too poor to buy a system that can run a newer browser. I think there are many people in my position. jaknouse 23:34, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
EXAMPLE:
[ [ pl:Okrytonasienne ] ]
[ [ sv:Fröväxter ] ]
————
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" align="right" cellpadding="2" style="margin-left:1em">
I've had a serious problem with taxobox formatting in biological articles. Much of the time, it appears on the left, whether I'm using Netscape 4.7 or Explorer 4.0. I finally realized that what the articles had in common that had the taxoboxes misplace was other languages for the article. So I started inserting a space, four hyphens, another space between the languages and the taxobox, like this:
The article for Citric Acid has a problem rendering its table. The closing table tag gets rendered with & lt; and & gt;, making it visible, instead of closing the table. The opening paragraph ends up formatted as part of the table using some browsers. The HTML looks OK per my reference material, and the person that added the table commented that he was also unable to find a problem with the HTML. I removed the closing table tag so it wouldn't display, but the text, at least using MS-IE, is formatted incorrectly. And omitting the closing table tag is bad HTML.
May look correct (I suspect the intention is actually to have the first paragraph formatted to the left, like the rest of the article): http://ginger-or-mary-ann.com/CitricAdicMozilla.jpg Doesn't look correct: http://ginger-or-mary-ann.com/CitricAcidIE.jpg
While we're at it, according to the w3.org HTML validator, the MediaWiki TOC code seems to generate incorrect HTML.
Niteowlneils 23:17, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC) (moved to its own section)
I didn't see exactly the problem that you were seeing, using IE 5.1. But I did see *a* problem, which went away when I fixed a missing and then closed the table. How does it look now? Elf 01:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
is there any full form for main().function in c.please let me know venkata_sukumar2002@yahoo.com
I'm still puzzled by this concept and wondered if you could enlighten me.
Suppose I were writing 500 years ago in Ye Olde Wykipedia and I put: "Travel north and you will reach the North Pole". Someone else would have come along and changed this to: "It is claimed that if you travel north you will reach the North Pole." Fair enough - they wouldn't have wanted to be burned alive at what was claimed by church authorities to be a stake.
But times have changed. It would be absurd for anyone now to claim that you could travel in any direction other than north to reach the North Pole. Therefore NPOV is time-dependent, based on the state of current knowledge.
Now when I have knowledge about something, surely it is more useful for my readers to know that something is true rather than just claimed to be so, i.e. this is an important distinction to make in a so-called encyclopedia. How do I make that distinction without well-meaning trolls coming along and changing all my certain truths into mere claims? The answer must have something to do with the authority of the original writer. Or is this a lost cause, and I have to accept one of the weaknesses of the wikipedia conception is that all its truths are mere claims, all part of the trend towards relativism wherein nothing can really be known by anyone. Matt Stan 18:16, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This is a general problem about disseminating knowledge even in a University if the professor isn't the primary source he can disseminate a knowledge that is proven false by other. This lead to epistemology what is a scientific truth ? It's something that's is reconized as true by the scientists... When will scientific truth become "the Truth" for the common man : when it has been largely disseminated and accepted by a large majority.... Ericd 19:55, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Somebody put this on my talk page, regarding the evolution of an article, I suppose, or perhaps a bit of wikicynicism:
Nothing there about anyone knowing anything! To give an example, as requested, I have been editing the Fathers' rights page, a potentially contentious subject if there ever was one, no doubt (or as some might claim)! Now I also happen to be a divorced father, and a media spokesperson and trustee of a national UK charity called Fathers Need Families. I encounter much that is generally not known in the secret world of family law. I have been exhorted by Bob Geldof to get political. It therefore might be that my polemics are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Might I not acheive more by setting up a personal blog somethwere else? On the other hand this is a topical issue that many might find interesting, and one that is climbing up the political agenda. Therefore Wikipedia is an obvious place to provide up-to-date information about how the situation develops (as it did during 9-11). My challenge, which I think only wikipedia can provide, is to produce a piece that stands in spite of everybody having the opportunity to wreck it. Then it will have a far far greater likelihood of being taken as true than if I had just promulgated it without wikipedia's relentless peer reviev process. Therefore wiki exposure is a crucial part of my polemic itself. My problem, though, has been one of muted accusations of NPOV and my writing has been hacked about a bit by people acting in good faith (I think) to apply the NPOV dogma to something they know very little about, or find very hard to believe. In general I have found the application of NPOV to my work to be constructive and helpful. But the result has on occasion been that the article is made to say the opposite of what according to Mr Y, revered by proponents of X, is true. - which I see as the application of NPOV leading to the dissemination of misinformation. This led to my musings and ramplings here about the true and claimed nature of NPOV. There are plenty of excamples if you delve into the Page History of the Fathers' rights page, though I can dig some out and put them here if requested. Matt Stan 18:53, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm new. I don't understand why some links are red and others are blue. I've tried searching around for an answer with no luck. Also the "signature" button doesn't appear to be working for me- when I press it, the screen kinda shifts, and a "-" apears, but not sig. Can anyone help me? -elliott shultz
I just got the following email:
Dude, this is now my fourth e-mail you have banned 67.74.81.169. I am loggin on through Netzero so my IP is always going to hae 67.74 in the beginning of it....please unblock your FAR OVER-REACHING ban on such IPs you are hindering me from making progress on MY user page and reseach projects. PLEASE STOP.
The problem is that the range *has* to be blocked in order to block the vandal, if he takes the time to power cycle his modem. Suggestions?
moved to Wikipedia:Wikipedia's oldest articles
Is a TV Guide cover fair use, say, a cover of Oprah in the Oprah article, a Cookie Monster cover in the Cookie Monster article, that sort of thing? -- user:zanimum
Wikipedia is suffering a distributed spambot attack. The bot adds links to a site called "emmss", from around 10 different IP addresses. It's probably made over 1000 edits. The following wikis may need help cleaning up:
-- Tim Starling 14:13, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
I'm making a few people sysops on those wikis temporarily, in case anyone's wondering. -- Tim Starling 14:31, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
Many thanks to Fuzheado and Andre Engels for cleaning up several wikis, Suisui who worked on ja, and gwicke and jeronim working on the technical side. -- Tim Starling 15:10, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
Many thanks to you all for stopping this severe attack. Ellywa 17:37, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Fortunately on cy the spambot only edited our sandbox! (Must be a virtue of only being a small Wikipedia!) -- Arwel 00:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Greatest. Wikipedia Quote. Ever. From History of Somalia:
Runner-up, from the same page, is:
-- Walt Pohl 11:05, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Respected Sir, I have honour to learn about common Professional Examination.I am a law graduate (LL.B.) from Pakistan.Besides it i have done masters in Political Science.I have also done Human Rights diploma from Faculty of Law, University of Peshawar with the colloberation of university of Oslo, Norway.I am doing practise of law from last three years. Now, i am intrested to equip my self with law in England and for this purpose as per my information i have to do C.P.E. Therefore, I may be provided with guidelines/requirements for the same and obliged.
Sincerely yours Hassan Agha hasn_akhan@yahoo.com hassanqazalbash@hotmail.com
Vote on the proposed policy to grant sysops the power to ban a user for 24 hours if they engage in revert wars. All replies/comments to that page please. fabiform | talk 09:20, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Have you checked out http://www.wikinfo.org ? They encourage a sympathetic point of view editorial style which you may find preferable to Wikipedia, and you can build on the existing work here via an automated import system. Build up where you'll be welcomed; don't waste your time here. -- Brion 07:50, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
I'm asking Wikipedia, please, please, every user, send off the Wikipedia:Press releases/February 2004 press release off to your local paper, a few local papers, a dozen papers in Tibet. We need to get this out to the media, and can only do it with your help! Even contacting one local paper will make a world of difference. Secretlondon once said, "If some of the people who helped write the thing had helped send it out we would have the world covered by now." -- user:Zanimum
I forgot to log in; how do I 'claim' an edit as my own, so that my login name shows up in the page history instead of my IP address? I know I saw information about this once, but I've just now scoured the Wikipedia help, and I can't find the information again. Brian Kendig 00:19, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS - Reply in the Requests for comment section
I want this article to focus on Southwest Asia, although not completely exclude Northern Africa.
Here's an example of what I want in the article...
The entire Ottoman section should be left alone in this regard, as the North African lands are part of their empire, and whatever happens there affects Southwest Asia. However, in this sentence... "When republican revolutions brought radical anti-western regimes to power in Egypt in
1954, in Syria in 1963, in Iraq in 1968 and in Libya in 1969, the Soviet Union, seeking to open a new arena of the Cold War in the Middle East, allied itself with Arab rulers such as Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt and Saddam Hussein of Iraq."
IMO, Libya should be taken out there, as this doesn't show interactions between them and the Southwest Asian countries. Yet Egypt should stay, as they are better connected to the other Middle Eastern countries, and part of their country is in Asia.
I also want to put "This article is a general overview of the history of the Middle East, (This article uses the Southwest Asia definition). For more detailed information, see articles on the histories of individual countries. For North Africa, see History of Africa.", but Adam Carr doesn't want me to do this.
Perhaps I should have "This article is a general overview of the history of the Middle East, For more detailed information, see articles on the histories of individual countries. For more detailed information on countries in North Africa, see History of Africa.
See: Talk:History of the Middle East for more information.
Discuss about it in Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment WhisperToMe 23:37, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC) DO NOT REPLY TO THIS - Reply in the Requests for comment section
Called the Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act - ?alabio kindly left this on my talk: Very interesting... Wired news story
I'm writing a paper comparing different forms of online moderation (which I plan to include Wikipedia in). Wikipedia:Administrators contains a pretty good description of how our system of moderation works. I'd like the equivalent of that for other important sites (slashdot comes to mind). Thanks for the help. →Raul654 21:30, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
I have merged the U.S.-North Korea article that is currently listed in the Opentask/Merge notation. How do I remove the article from that listing? (I'm just a bit confused I guess, since I assumed that the Opentask list was created by the database finding random articles with the Duplicate boilerplate tag. The U.S.-North Korea article has had that removed, so I'm not clear on how that article remains in the Opentask notation.) -- Wolf530 19:54, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm confused enough about the various namespaces already, so I can't figure out whether this is a bug or a feature. There's an image at [[:Image:AustrCattleDogBlueFace wb.jpg]]. Somehow I inadvertently type [[:Image:Image:AustrCattleDogBlueFace wb.jpg]] (duplicating the :Image part), which takes me here. It displays a brand-new page, *with* the image, but without any of the text or history of the image. Clearly it thinks it's a different *article* but the same *image*, but why that combination? And should it allow this? Elf 19:47, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
y can i use external images in Chinese WP(don't need to upload), while it's not allowed in English WP? -- Yacht 17:28, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
I tried to add the PIN format for Chennai. Right now, I've added it as 600 ddd. I used d to represent any digit. Is it ok? or Should it be 600 xxx or any other Wiki format? TIA -- Rrjanbiah 12:14, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is there any map work going on in Wiki? or Could I suggest you such map project? -- Rrjanbiah 12:08, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm kinda newcomer here. I like to know is there anyway to get grammar/editing help from other native speakers (My first language is Tamil). (I'm not referring peer reiview) -- Rrjanbiah 12:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I read the mandrake article, and saw that at the bottom of the article it had a list of other things mandrake might refer to. So, I thought, I'll move this page to Mandrake_(plant), and make this a disambiguation page. But now, the Mandrake_(plant) page contains the disambig page, and the mandrake page makes a redirect, and I'm sure I never typed a redirect. What happened, and how should I get back the original article? Sietse 10:55, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
--> User talk:David Newton/Bird Dispute
There's less than a week left to make suggestions in the design competition to replace the grey border & magnifying glass icon around thumbnails. Even if you don't have the time/ inclination/ html knowledge to suggest a replacement yourself, please come and vote in the straw poll to say which features you most want to see. :) fabiform | talk 04:29, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The following section was removed by Pcb21, stating that he/she was removing something else. I presume it was an error and am restoring it. (Pcb21, if you meant to remove this, please explain why, and/or suggest a better palce to put it):
-- Securiger 02:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I tried to move it for disambiguation. A a result, I've got a page with
and no history!
Developers, please restore. Mikkalai 21:26, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It seems that the move function will no longer allow me to overwrite a page that's never been anything but a redirect. Would someone please delete Halva (most common English spelling) and move Halvah there. Mkweise 21:23, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
halva: 182k google hits halwa: 36k halvah: 32k helva: 14k
I need help. The university project that has been working at Customer experience management has hit snags here, and the project leader, Karsten, has been talking with me about how to solve things. I suggested Wikibooks, and he's agreed that the project they're trying to do is a better fit for Wikibooks (at least, as I explained Wikibooks). Problem is, I've never moved stuff to Wikibooks, and I've never worked there, so I really need an editor who knows something about Wikibooks to volunteer to help Karsten (who is a very intelligent and pleasant person, and most willing to learn) transfer the stuff over to Wikibooks and be a point of contact there should he have questions. I've asked on their mailing list (which seems very infrequently used), but I was hoping there'd be someone here who'd know. Please help if you can! Jwrosenzweig 17:56, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I would like to start a wikitree editable family tree. I don't know if wikimedia would be willing to administer the system... Perl 15:26, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I think its a good idea. How about WikiFamily? Ludraman | Talk 18:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What kind of condition I can use banners or logs of Wikipedia on?
What the term "Feel free to grab these for your website." on Wikipedia:Banners and buttons mean? Can I use these banners not under terms of GNU Free Documentation License or only under GFDL?
How about logs of Wikipedia?
Sorry for my poor English.
Thank you! --
MIzusumashi 14:19, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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thanks for yours understanding. from jonathan boysoft.
Does anyone know of a Unicode character converter that will transliterate text written in Latin and turn it into the Cyrillic equivalents in Unicode - for instance, turning RESPUBLIKA into the Unicode for РЭСПУБЛIКА? It would also help if the same converter could translate Windows Cyrillic characters into Unicode. -- ChrisO 10:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=RCS indicates RCS is linked to by "Concurrent versions system". In fact, it lists it twice! I've fixed the one link it had, and can find no others. What gives? -- Pascal666 07:47, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Found another one. The page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=CVS lists KDE four times and SourceForge twice, even though neither of them point there anymore. -- Pascal666 08:06, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I would like to see 'Wikiproject:' become a namespace, so we can avoid the uberlong Wikipedia:Wikiproject ... Thanks. SV (talk) 06:49, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[2] Come on down! Sam Spade 05:28, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There is an error in the spelling of monatomic on one of the pages about helium. I just thought that I would send this message so you all know. I do not know how many other errors there are on this word but I thought I would let you know that there was at least one. Monatomic was typed in as monoatomic instead.
Sincerely, Dan Knapp
Anybody happen to know how Georgios Papanikolaou would be written in the Green alphabet? jengod
I would hazard something like Γεοργιος Παπανικολαου but I'm probably wrong :) Dysprosia 03:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I recently added a lot of information to the Microsoft antitrust case article. However, another user believes the article to be biased, and has added a disclaimer saying so to the top of the page. I've discussed it with him offsite; he can't point to anything specific he believes to be biased in my additions to the article, but he believes the general tone of what I added is biased, perhaps in my choice of what facts to add. Would someone else please have a look at the article and either help me bring it further NPOV or else remove the disclaimer? - Brian Kendig 23:25, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I found a passage in there that comprised allegations against Bill Gates but which offered no source to explain who was making the allegations about his courtroom demeanor. The non-durable links pointed to sites outside of wikipedia. I removed the offending point of view. It appeared the writer either wanted to deprecate Gates or was so acustomed to deprecating Gates it seemed normal to post allegations without saying who made them. Negative connotation 08:30, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am a little uneasy about recent edits in University of Bristol by someone from an IP address (137.222.50.154) at that institution. Nothing terrible but a bit of a PoV feel (to me) and perhaps some kind of agenda, maybe an official Bristol one, being promoted. Claims about its prestige, claims about mediocre depts holding back the ratings. Maybe it's OK really but I would be grateful if someone with more experience than I would take a look at it please. 82.35.17.203 20:55, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have a search-engine question over at the Talk:Ballard,_Seattle,_Washington page.
-- c3k 17:04, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)
At the moment, Special:Wantedpages is not updated automatically, but created only once in some days (to help the servers with their burden). That is okay -- but what is confusing is the use of edit links, because they stay red. That is no problem if Wantedpages is generated every time one calls it, but in the current state of affairs, it would be more useful if one actually can see if a wanted page (say: Toto (band), which is still listed on the top of most wanted) has been created by someone else in the meantime. So I propose to introduce another link (to the page, not to editing the page) for every item in the Special:Wantedpages to make it easier to check if the item got created meanwhile. -- till we *) 13:13, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I was wondering how do you talk with other Wikipedians using UserTalk if they don't have a link to their talk page? JB82 15:07, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
How does a Wikipedian go about deleting a page? JB82 16:55, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
Could somebody please fix the bug that causes a user to become logged-out when they hit the "Save Page" button after editing an article, and now also causes the edit to be lost. (It used to be that if you got logged out in this way you could hit "Back" and your edit would still be there. Now it lost for good.) This has happened to me twice in recent days, causing me to lose a lot of work. I know others have complained about this bug for a long time, but it has never been fixed. (Yes I know I should save all edits somewhere else before attempting to "Save Page," but I don't always remember.) Adam 04:32, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is there any way to automatically generate a list of related articles? Such as all Unterseeboots that have articles? -- Pascal666 03:02, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
My Netscape 7 only let me see the last four village pump entries in this very big issue after I went into the edit box -- even a forced reload didn't get me actual content. Maybe a problem related to file size and the caching system? -- till we *) 00:12, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I know there is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Battles battlebox, but is there a page (apparently it's not Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars) that itemizes a "warbox"--just want to ask about recent adds to U.S. wars. jengod 23:43, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
To be moved to Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context
I apologize if I'm raising this issue in the wrong forum or if it's already been discussed. But I've noticed several examples of what I'd call overwikification. Check out these articles: List of Ambassadors to Canada, Survivor: Pulau Tiga, Tom Berenger, Twelfth United States Congress. There's over two hundred red links to empty articles on these four pages alone. And looking at the titles of these empties, it's likely nobody is ever going to fill them in with any article, let alone one worth reading.
Maybe we need to discuss some informal standard an empty article needs to rise to before someone creates a red link to it. MK 22:30, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
To me this seems to be 2 slightly different arguments going on here, firstly what deserves an article, and secondly that red links are bad. The first argument I am going to steer well away from. The second one however, seems easy, (philosophically at least). If there are a reasonable amount of people who find the missing links annoying we should add a user config option to not display incomplete links, (yes I know this isn't the place to suggest software mods but I was just trying to help solve a disagreement, if others agree I could add the request on sourceforge). In my suggestion there would be 3 choices for the display of bad links, red, question mark or plain text. Steven jones 02:50, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Looking at a source for the article on Ezequiel Martínez Estrada, I have run into a Spanish-language term I do not know who to translate: "neurodermitis melánica". I have translated this conservatively as "a form of neurodermatitis", but I would like to be more precise. Does anyone know the English-language equivalent? -- Jmabel 22:16, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A technical suggestion: it would be great if a spoiler warning lead to a message in the <head><title></title></head> of the page in question, rather than just in the body. My feeling is that if you are looking something up in an encyclopedia, you should already be ready for potential spoilers. So I see the spoiler warning as often more useful for people navigating in from Google searches and the like, who might not realize that they are about to get a plot summary. As such, it would be nice to put the warning somewhere that Google searchers will notice it right away. Chinasaur 19:37, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
Alternatively, we could not include any plots in the articles and instead have a Plot of... page. I think this would make it very clear. -- Kokiri 09:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
That's a possible solution but I'd rather find all the info on a movie in one place. Maybe the plot shd always be the last thing on the page. In ANY event, the global "spoiler" disclaimer is not sufficient, IMHO. That would prevent me from ever reading any article! It's common practice in the universe at large (don't really know about anything outside the solar system, though) to put the spoiler warning specifically with the text--either at the top of the article or immediately preceding the spoiler section. But please let's not rely on a generic applies-to-all-articles-in-WP! Elf 21:32, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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The NetSweeper internet monitoring software that blocks out unsavoury sites for parents and school boards alike censors out Wikipedia Spanish as a "Sex Site". Unless it is a risque Wikimedia project that I didn't know about, we should look into getting them to change this automated decision. -- Senor Wences
Out of interest, how many people use this stuff? Mark Richards 07:12, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
On the 'Wikipedia' article it says that one can download the wikipedia database. How can this be done?
The article Revised Standard Version is a featured article. I have taken a beauty shot of the cover of the 2002 anniversary edition I plan to upload. What's the specs on using this image as the main page thumbnail when this article's time comes?
-- iHoshie 20:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There is a discussion and opinion poll at Wikipedia talk:Community Portal#Visibility poll over whether a link to the "Community Portal" should be added to the sidebar, and what if anything should be removed to make way for it. Please add your opinions there; thank you - IMSoP 19:44, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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I am not a very good writer but I have some reliable/independent sources for a (large) entry. Without that information the entry seems lacking and misleading at some points. Is there a more experienced editor to add the information or should I take my chances?
Where can I find a Wikipedia guideline for the usage of horizontal dividing lines, like the one above, especially within articles? Thanks! olivier 10:11, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the best place to bring this up, though it does relate to the horizontal dividing line, but this has really begun to irritate me. At the top of every page on the left hand side is the column of "easy access items" (Main Page, Recent Changes, etc) with three horizontal lines stretching across every page. The problem that exists (at least for me and my computer) is that wherever I go to in Wikipedia I am incapable of clicking on anything to the right of that column of links. This column and the horizontal lines that go with it seem to overlap the tops of every page making it impossible to use the search utility at the top of the page and keeping me from logging into Wikipedia if I am somehow logged out. The situation needs some attention. Katagelophobia 10 Mar 2004
Cleanup seems to have gotten a complete copy inserted in the middle again, perhaps in an edit conflict.
I will not be fixing it this time (well, i did take out one of the two "Just in" headings, before i remembered what that usually really means) but leaving it to someone with a faster connection.
On the other hand, i'll be working on the witch hunt, since two recent times it was someone who had no idea they'd been involved. Most likely i will communicate with any "witches" directly, rather than postiing anything about it. -- Jerzy (t) 01:20, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)
I am right in thinking there are no "master editors" or ownere of articles. It's just that edits are being habitually rolled back at Artificial consciousness and I am not the only one it is happening to. Ataturk 00:14, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why do you want to leave? →Raul654 02:25, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
I am leaving wikipedia unless Jimbo intervenes in the matter involving one of the Wikipedia developers and me. Perl 02:15, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I see on the front page that selected anniversaries for March 16. Why not put that today is the one year anniversary of the brutal murder of the peaceful protestor Rachel Corrie by the Israeli Defense Forces? Rest in peace, Rachel. -- Richardchilton 06:52, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is George Bush's middle name?
What is George Bush's middle name?
I find it mildly offensive to refer to ships as "she" rather than "it." As one example (of many) see USS John S. McCain (DD-928). Does Wikipedia have a policy on this? moink 21:38, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The Chicago Manual of Style 15th Edition, 8.126, suggests "it" rather than "she". Tradition notwithstanding. -- Nunh-huh 22:50, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Moink said "My objection has to do with the association between women and objects, particularly objects used mainly by men." I disagree. Calling a ship "she" is personifying the ship, not objectifying women. fabiform | talk 23:34, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Very interesting discussion so far. Here's my $.02 (FWIW I'm an extreme nautical illiterate). First, no disresect to our non-English colleagues, but there is no grammatical gender in English. Using the pronoun she with a ship has nothing to do with grammatical agreement. it is simply tradition. Now, whether we want to perpetuate that tradition, that's another matter. Without getting into issues of political correctness, I would suggest the best course would be to follow one of the standard references on usage, such as the Chicago Manual of Style that Nunh-huh cited earlier. Bkonrad | Talk 03:24, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I think this should be treated in the same way as British and Americal English spelling-- do whichever you like, just be consistent within an article and don't change articles just for the sake of it. WRT the Chicago manual, aren't there other style guides that disagree with that? What about older (and newer?) versions of the handbook? Couldn't it be a case of PC itself? Mr. Jones 15:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Reference to a ship as "She" is a personification of an object, not an objectification of women. It is one used in reverence, for example as in "Mother-ship" exempifying the nurturing role of a ship to the safety of its crew. It bestows an empowering rather than derogatry idea of feminity to counterblance what was traditionally mascualine world. Like in all things balance is required. Would the objection of use of gender have been raised in the first place had ships been traditianlly referred to as "he"? I personally think not. :Dainamo march 15, 2004
What is George Bush's middle name?
Dear Madam or Sir, I'm a conductor from the Swiss Railways and I'm a collector of Railwayshats from all the World. I have over 300 Railwayshats from all the World. Unfortunately I haven't all E-Mail addresses from Railways Companies on the World. Can you send me a list with there? I would be very very happy to have this for continue with my collection. I hope, that you can help me and you write me in the next days back. Thank you very very much for your help, your time and your trouble. Best regards from Switzerland and have a nice time: Marcello Malisan Conductor Swiss Railways
I seem to have messed something up kinda badly. I'd noticed that someone had moved Cassini-Huygens Mission to Cassini-Huygens using cut-and-paste, which left the article history behind in the process. Since there wasn't anything significant in the history of Cassini-Huygens, I decided to fix that by deleting it and moving Cassini-Huygens Mission there properly. But after I finished, I found that I'd somehow lost the article entirely; each of those articles redirects to the other, and neither of them has the article's history. Can anyone help me fix this? Bryan 01:30, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I believe I have proved this theorem incorrect, however I need varification. I created adjacent areas on a plane, and have found that the least amount of colors that can be used is five. I am unsure whether the map must be an actual geographical map, or if it can be theoretical. If you could clairify this for me, i would be most appreciative. Thank you-- Laura
i wanna know about ur quality system decoumentation,could u tell me?
The Pillows (a Japanese rock band) should actually be "the pillows" -- I've never seen their name capitalized on any official source. It would be easy enough to change this in the text, and I was about to, but first I tried to move the article to "the pillows." However, Wikipedia forced the capitalization of the T: "The pillows." Is there a way to force Wikipedia to keep that T lowercase? Garrett Albright 04:44, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
is it possible to download single web pages as with the "save as ..." command of iexplorer, but having link with relative local addresses instead of the complete path http://en.wikipedia.org/.... ? "2004 march 12 - mauri"
Dear Sir/Madam
I was wanting to know the Family Crest of this dynasty? Or if not the symbole of this dynasty! Thanks
Wu Chong Chiu
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I subscribed to the Wikipedia-L mailing list, but I don't recieve anything. I have tried a few times but its always the same case - no mail. Has anyone else had this problem - a bug in the software maybe? - Ludraman 16:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
How do I include my talk page in my signature, since ~~~~ doesn't seem to do it? Elf 17:49, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Can someone undo a move please? I attempted to move Lacinka alphabet to Łacinka alphabet but this caused it to end up at some weird location. Jo r 17:02, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is there a list of all of the [[mediawiki:{{{1}}}|message with id '{{{1}}}']] ([[mediawiki talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]) messages somewhere? RickK 16:15, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is the easiest way to view the images available for use in articles? - Bevo 22:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is the copyright status of material obtained under the Freedom of Information Act? I am thinking in particular of the photos and documents on TheSmokingGun.com can be used on Wikipedia. Thanks! Mark Richards 23:39, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! There is a comment on the home section of the site that says the images were obtained by filing FIA requests, but nothing else that confirms it for each image. One the basis of what's been said, I am not going to post any of them. Thanks, Mark Richards 04:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am right in thinking there are no "master editors" or owners of articles. It's just that edits are being habitually rolled back at Artificial consciousness and I am not the only one it is happening to. Ataturk 00:14, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Something which is perhaps a little unusual has occurred. One editor of Artificial consciousness has refused to work on a new consensus version of the article on a sub-page of the Talk page. He refuses to contribute in any other way. But he says he is unhappy. The new version of the article is patently an improvement and represents even the recalcitrant editor's POV, I think. A new article Consciousness (artificial) has been created as a copy of the proposed one. The recalcitrant editor has said he will not edit that either. I suggest an experiment be allowed. Unprotect Artificial consciousness and allow it and Consciousness (artificial) to co-exist for a while. The latter really is an improvement and must not be lost, but the former is at a disadvantage as it is frozen. I think it will defuse the edit war and the best article will be the one that survives. I know this is a little unusual but I ask that NEITHER article be deleted, for the timee being. Ataturk 02:29, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This page (already way past its 32kB limit) is flooded with too many random IPs asking questions that seem not to be grounded with the aim to write and improve WP encyclopedia articles. We should state up at the top that if you are not registered, any reference desk question asked here will not be moved to the reference desk but deleted. -- Jia ng 00:11, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Anonymous users should not be blamed for asking questions on the pump. Lets try to see how an anon comes here.
Jay 17:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with Jiang. If a question on this page is annoying you, just move it to the reference desk. Over there we tend to be very sweet to the questioners, performing google searches for them, asking for clarifications of incoherent questions, etc. User:Jwrosenzweig even gave advice to someone looking to clear her home of canine ghosts. I don't personally e-mail people who wish e-mail answers, but others do. Remember that we have to put a good public face on Wikipedia, that we want good press both for our usage and for our contributions grow. Rudeness (not aimed at you Jiang, but others have been rude) doesn't help anyone, and we can't assume that all of our readers are as computer-savvy as the average Wikipedian. moink 18:03, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just dont see the benefits of answering questions. If answering questions is going to get people to contribute then you have a valid point. If it provides no benefit, then what's the point? Maybe we should send out boiler plate text asking anyone who asks questions to contribute. The cost is that VP is clogged when it cannot afford it. -- Jia ng
The page is 70kb and some browsers have problems loading pages over 32kb. That's why a big bold message shows up when one clicks on "Edit this page".-- Jia ng 05:10, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As long as this page is the village pump, anyone should be allowed to ask whatever (s)he wants, and anyone should be allowed to answer (and, obviously, not to answer). This is not the information desk but the village pump, there's a great difference. OK, this page may need tidying up more frequently, but not by silencing people. Pfortuny 11:42, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It is true that this page is long enough to be obnoxious. Could we subdivide it by category? pstudier 23:23, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)
Hi there,
I am trying to find out who has played the most number of games for the All Blacks in Bledisloe Cup matches. Could someone help me please.
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While responding to demands posted on my user page, I found a photograph of a cat that had been forced into a beer glass, photographed and placed as a lead image on a user's page. The image is uploaded to Wikipedia as image:Cat_in_pint.jpg .
I immediately forwarded the image to a mainstream animal protection advocacy group, but I want to advise readers here about this photograph of animal abuse.
Besides being painful to the animal while being placed in the glass and while confined to the glass, the stunt risks breaking the glass and injuring the cat. The animal might also be injured or have been injured by the act of forcing it into the glass. Publishing the photograph invites others to commit similar acts of animal abuse. Bird 18:55, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
'I reviewed the web site you directed me toward. The site directed toward another site titled cruel.com for more information. The site did not say the images are hoaxes; the site said the practice of raising tube-fed kittens in such environments is a hoax. Actual images of cats confined to glass containers are used to perpetuate the hoax of bonsaikittens. Bird 19:36, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is the copyright status of this image? —Eloquence 20:50, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
I received an immediate reply from the ASPCA, which recounted a long history of confronting these sophomoric images. These are obviously individuals who are just looking for attention, the ASPCA wrote. I posted the body of their initial boilerplate reply at: User:Bird/animal_cruelty_replies. (anon)
I put my goldfish in a small glass container. What a cruel scrounge am I! Garrett Albright 00:31, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why is anyone paying attention to anything this person is saying, and why is he still being allowed to post after a massive vandalism attack that required the constant reversion of multitudes of articles over an entire evening? This person made a massive attack with several revolving IP addresses, deleting this page and many other pages over and over again. User:Bird should be banned for all possible posting. RickK | Talk 02:48, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
::RickK wrote:
- Since I'm apparently a small minority in feeling that we should write full sentences and make meaningful articles, don't expect me to do any more editing of other people's articles. I'll stick to my own, and let the rest of the encyclopedia look like garbage.
- There has been recent discussion on the mailing list that what I contribute to Wikipedia is worthless. Others don't seem to have the same feeling, but if it's true, would you please let me know on my Talk page, so that I can finally figure out that I'm not wanted around here?
Are you going to address your vandalism, even apologize for it and vow not to do it again? RickK | Talk 04:13, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
After noticing how many new pages we're getting now, and how many of them do need a little help along the way, I'd like to propose Wikipedia:New pages patrol as an entirely voluntary and low-obligation way of keeping up with Special:Newpages and the flood of new stub articles. As a community, we have a vested interest in watching new pages as they come in and gently offering advice and support to new contributors in order to keep the quality of our article database high. If people think that this is a good idea, I think it'd be ideal to link to this from a header in Special:Newpages much like we do on Special:Recentchanges. -- Seth Ilys 22:55, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oops! My IP address seems to have been accidentally blocked. I think I may have fiddled with something I shouldn't, but I'm not a vandal or an open proxy or anything, honest! The IP in question is 195.137.85.50, so if someone could unblock it for me, I'd be much obliged. [how embarrassing...]
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Votes for deletion is messed up -- see the note at the top -- maybe someone can protect it and sort it out. Just a thought. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:49, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just registered for an account but then I after a bit of thought I realize I would rather post stuff anonymously. How do I go about deleting my account?
I also looked over the FAQ/help pages and can't find any info about account deletion. Perhaps somebody could write a blurb about it?
Thanks.
See Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. silsor 19:00, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. silsor 19:00, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
There was an entry about Jesselyn Radack, but it vanished. I restored it but the deletion does not show up in the history. Nor does it appear in the deletion log as far as I can see. With google it still cannot be found. How can I find out who deleted it?
If nobody has any objection I'm going to remove the vfd notice from all the lists that User: 141 had nominated for deletion, because he was trolling and nobody wants these things deleted. Mintguy (T) 20:39, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
User:Yaohua2000 at Chinese WP got pissed off after people objected to his user page (like this), so he requested about 9 pages started by him and afterwards exclusively edited by him to be deleted. Should we fufill that request? One admin already did. My understanding is that giving to WP is a one-way no-return charity street, but I'm not sure the legality behind it. So I asked on WP IRC, but only Adam replied, saying "I believe that is the gist of the message at the bottom of the editing page".
This couldn't have been the first incident like this? The request sounds logical, but is it compliant to the GNU Wiki "save page" click? I'd surprised if requests of this type doesn't spring up again, and again. Perhaps we should develop a meta or WP namespace page, clear and loud, just for newbies on this topic. -- Menchi 04:57, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
If you could please help me find the answer to a chem honors question I have to answer. What is the chemical composition of a personal desktop computer? and What is the chemical composition of te white powdered compond that is the phosphor on the inside of fluorescent lamps? Any help with these questions would be great. My e-mail address is keywee4@aol.com Thanks phil
There's been some discussion on protecting George W. Bush until the U.S. presidential election is over, based on a recent spate of vandalism. We decided to hold a poll here so as to give this decision wider exposure in the community. The options we've thought of are thus:
Feel free to add other suggestions. Every person can either support or oppose each option. I've voted; follow this format.
Dear Sir,
My name is Richard Tan and I am a staunch supporter for the next US presidential Candidate for the coming US election to be held on Nov. 2, 2004.
The reason for me to request for such unusual question is I need the exact time to cast an accurate prediction on him and to offer some good advice using Chinese metaphysic, called the 4 Pillars of Destiny.
I am going to contribute in the form of article writting to certain feng shui magazines and website to attract more people to going to Kerry' s presidental campaign website.
Hope you can assist me in order to come up with an accurate and practical advice. Thanking you in anticipation.
Yours Sincerely
Richard Tan
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Knowledge requires definitions. There are two roads that wikipedia can go down.
When I first came to the site I saw its potential for the latter. Now I am beginning to have doubts. What good is a compendium of human knowledge that can't tell you what a compendium is? If you want a list of three letter abbreviations however...
Think about it. Bensaccount 23:38, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Nation vs. numb: there is something to say about varying perspectives, change over time, meaning in political and social contexts, etc. for each. The real difference is that for numb these are well defined whereas for nation they remain less clear.
If everything defined was taken out, where would we be? Bensaccount 00:06, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm in the process of losing all hope in wikipedia here. You say "significance, history, effects, related concepts and so on" but what I want to hear is "shorter more precice, more organized information about".
I dont think you understand. I will not return to this page again today but I will continue to add and organize info at least until tomorrow, no longer in hope that it will help present the worlds info in a more organized way but because it helps me study for the test tommorow. Bensaccount 00:32, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Ben---as for articles being "shorter and more precise"---obviously there's merit to being concise and to the point, but that doesn't necessarily mean being shorter. If there is a lot to say about a subject, there is no reason not to say it, since length is not a restriction. Please feel free to improve any article you find that has problems with conciseness, provided that does not mean effectively turning a thorough discussion into bullet points. And of course there are some issues with lack of organization here; when thousands of relative strangers randomly contribute to any article they like, quite a bit of messiness can result. We always welcome those who would like to put their time into making Wikipedia more organized and coherent; I think if you spend a little more time here, you'll be impressed with how well the system works, and with how most problems tend to be self-correcting. -- Wapcaplet 23:03, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why do the links at The Dils (to roots rock and Los Angeles, California) not work? Tuf-Kat 21:53, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
I find a page for roots rock reggae (redirect), but I don't see one for roots rock; the los angeles links work fine for me here & there. Elf 22:17, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
217.230.179.232 has added 3 Gandhi extlinks not only to Mohandas Gandhi (where they belong), but continues to add the same links to over a dozen loosly related articles. I think it's enough to have them in the article where they're most relevant...comments? Mkweise 21:18, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Should Sound power & Sound intensity level be merged into one article? -- SGBailey 2004-03-04
Suddenly I've started receiving all sorts of e-mails discussing article edits. Has there been a recent change that encourages e-mailing? I think this is a major change for the worse; such discussions should be preserved for all to see on the appropriate talk page. Mkweise 12:47, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Actually I have also started receiving many emails from Wikipedians. I also prefer to communicate with others using e-mail, and not the talk pages. I don't know why everyone started using e-mail suddenly, but probably it has something to do with mirrors who copy the talk pages. (that's also my reason I use email). My advice is not to use the talkpages unless the discussed topic needs to be public. Optim 14:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I agree that it is very important to have openness on Wikipedia, and that things related to Wikipedia should be discussed on publicly visible Talk pages. Any Wikipedia-related issues that need to be discussed in realtime should be taken to the Wikipedia IRC channel. IMs and e-mails should be reserved for private, non-Wikipedia-related contact. -- Skyfaller 02:49, 2004 Mar 6 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that it be made compulsory for anonymous users to put something (anything!) in the edit summary box. I would like to make it compulsory for everyone but I'm willing to start small and work up. -- Phil 11:02, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
Good idea, I would like to see it compulsury for people to add a summary of copyright details on pictures they've uploaded as well, because on many of them you havn't a clue where they've come from. G-Man 19:26, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hmmmm. Just as you can't legislate morality, I doubt that forcing people to do what they don't want to do will help here. I agree with the comments on image copyrights... It's a pet peeve of mine. But software is not the way to go IMO. Rather we need to somehow motivate image contributors to provide the info. At present I suspect that many of the unattributed images are deliberately so, because the contributors know they are violating copyright but don't care and don't think Wikipedia should either. Andrewa 17:45, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Au contraire, if there are other contributors anything like me, they upload the photo and then *maybe* they've at some time in the past seen a page somewhere that talks about what kind of copyright info you're supposed to put on the image page, but they don't remember where and it's a pain to find it. Or they simply went straight to the image upload and never saw the detailed info on what's expected on copyrights in the image description. Could the image page automatically be filled in with boilerplate, prompts, links to help dense and/or lazy people like me get the right info in place? Elf 20:57, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
B-flat hemidemisemiquaver. HTH HAND -- Phil 11:03, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
I noticed the new front page design which has the ability to switch between a table version and nontable version. I was just wondering why the nontable version is so neutered? A CSS version of the table-based design is perfectly possible. I'm fairly into the whole "CSS thing" so I was wondering if there's some sort of place where this type is decided or where people can contribute? -- 132.162.225.93 06:12, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hey folks, sorry this isn't directly about Wikipedia, but I have a meta question over at the Mozilla Knowledge Base, which is a brand new wiki instruction manual for Mozilla software that runs on the MediaWiki software. I wrote up an article about why limited use of categories is actually useful for the Mozilla KB, and why the current article naming scheme there should be changed. I basically got the go-ahead to implement my suggested changes, because there doesn't seem to be anyone else there who is experienced with the Wikipedia software and culture who could/would agree or disagree with me. I'm pretty sure that my suggested changes are a good idea, but I thought I'd post to the Wikipedia community to get feedback before I follow through. What do you folks think? -- Skyfaller 03:33, 2004 Mar 4 (UTC)
As near as I can tell, the years 1154 to 1275 are the only years in our series with a section called "Heads of State" or "Monarchs/Presidents". These lists are ridiculously hard to construct (as a monarch who reigned from 1213 to 1255 would only link to those two years, and not those intervening), and are currently woefully incomplete. May I go through and delete that section, or are they there for a reason? Anyone know? Jwrosenzweig 20:23, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It seems to me that the fact that they're ridiculously hard to construct would be a reason not to delete them. Anthony DiPierro 20:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I like the idea because it gives context for what was happening around the world at that time (and gives context for what was happening for ongoing events between nations, e.g. wars). About a week ago, I was working on a replacement for this section that looked a little nicer and made more sense visually here but back-burnered it until I could think about it some more. But this is just as good a time as any to solicit feedback on it. If anyone has any feedback on that, please use that discussion page. RadicalBender 20:53, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps what is needed is a software-supported way to link to a range of dates rather than to specific dates. This wouldn't be a link you could follow, just one that would show up on some sort of search, similar to what links here. The obvious uses are in biographies and reigns, but there would be others... the period of long voyages and other expeditions, for example. It might also be useful for numeric ranges other than dates. Lots to consider. Food for thought? Andrewa 22:59, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The current situation with Wikipedia:Protected page and Wikipedia:Unprotected page is untenable. There are multiple listings for pages and it is difficult to coordinate between the two. It is better to have the history of a page's protection and unprotection in a single list. Angela proposed keeping the main list in a separate page on Wikipedia talk:Unprotected page. silsor 18:44, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why on Random walk the link to Drunkard's Walk is red (for page doesn't exist) and yet it takes you to the artciles edit page where text exists. From there you can cancel and read the article. -- SGBailey 15:18, 2004 Mar 3 (UTC)
This probably isn't the best place to ask, but I've recently installed MediaWiki on a site of my own. A few people have expressed concern to me about the software keeping and publicly displaying their IP addresses (either fear of being cracked, or privacy concerns, or what, I don't know). Blatant nonsense, but I don't have the technological smarts to shoot them down. I imagine potential Wikipedia contributors must ask the same question from time to time, but I can't find a FAQ on it or similar, nor on Meta. Any thoughts? Calum 12:42, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Where can i find who wrote this page??? for parenthetical sitations......
T think that this aticle is incroect and i want to ask you if you may change it to the right stuff pleses because i need the right information.
Apparently a German business school is using our site for a massive project. The main article page is here: Customer Experience Management (CEM) but there are myriads of these articles. Users are not logged in, and I can't tell whether they have any idea about NPOV or anything else here. I've tried leaving messages on their talk pages, at first confused and concerned they were a business, but then simply asking them for details of their project to go to Wikipedia:School and university projects. Of course, if they're not getting usernames, I don't know that they know about talk pages or will have the same IP address next time. Anyone know anything about this? Anyone have an idea of how to communicate with them? I feel very lost. Jwrosenzweig 00:02, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am using the Wikipedia for a project, though more to introduce the students to collaborative software - and I do keep track of what they are doing. About 40 students, Master level TechStrat course, details at Wikipedia:School and university projects, at User:Espen/gra6821, and at the course home page. Assignment handin on March 15, 2004, hopefully some of these people will continue contributing (the Norwegian version sure could do with a few more articles.) Espen 11:52, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
So the talk page just has to include the copyright disclaimer. Thats sounds good to me. I will now copy the nystate text to the wikipoedia article. Thanks Raul!! Perl 00:01, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Copyright, Disclaimer & Privacy
© 2000-2003 New York State Division of Military & Naval Affairs
and NY National Guard. All rights reserved.
Permission to use, copy and distribute the materials contained in these Web pages without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice appears in all copies and that the name or any trademark of The New York State Division of Military & Naval Affairs and the New York National Guard not be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the information without the National Guard's specific, written permission.
Can the state of new york hold copyright? I want to copy this to wikipedia, but I am not sure if it is in the public domain. Perl 23:11, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
( →Raul654) Just look here:
Although indexing is bound to be a problem on sites as dynamic as 'pedia, for the most part, it seems to be working very well. However, there are various anomalies. Most notably, tonight on IRC someone noticed that google has indexed (and cached) several non-existant articles, such as this: [1] ((Malapropos: is anyone seeing render problems w/overlaping google disclaimer and wikilogo? Mozilla Firefox)) One solution which came to mind, was to add <meta name="robots" content="NOARCHIVE"> or similar tags to the template for non-existant articles. However, a much more elagant solution was proposed by another person on IRC: Enact an Apache Mod_Rewrite rule similar to "RewriteRule ^/edit/(.*)$ /wiki/wiki.phtml?title=$1&action=edit [L]" and instruct spiders to avoid /edit/....... in the robots.txt file. This has the addition effect of making a direct link to an edit page easier to type and considerably more sightly (to non perl-programers :-).
Also, I have wondered increasingly since my recent arrival in the community why Talk: pages are allowed to be indexed/cached, and to a slightly lesser extent, User pages. Most of the preceding could apply equally to those.
Thanks for reading. nsh 20:49, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC) talk
nsh: edit pages have long been forbidden by our robots.txt along with other dynamic pages (it wouldn't do for spiders to go through every possible combination of diffs in the history!), and further contain <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">. However if Google catches a live link to a page that is later deleted, or follows an interwiki or otherwise manually constructed link to a page that may not have existed, it does end up at the "(There is currently no text in this page)". This is fairly rare but is a little annoying, yes. Perhaps we'll change it to return a 404 code (with the same output) for nonexitent pages; this would help with automated tools in general.
And yes, the Google header overlaps with the Wikipedia header. CSS absolute positioning doesn't agree with somebody else slipping text into your page. :) -- Brion 18:20, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The pages were cut 'n pasted around January 19 of this year. -- seav 13:51, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
We're being vandalized by a user using the 212.185.249.x range. I'd like to block the entire 212.185.249.x range. At the block user page, I entered 212.185.249.40/80, and it blocked the 212.185.0.x range. Can someone tell me what I should enter? →Raul654 02:09, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)
Hello, not that good with this kinda thing. When you read a site's copyright page and it says something to the effect of: This site and its contents may be used only for personal, noncommercial use. All worldwide rights, titles and interests are reserved.
Does that mean one may use their material as long as it is not for profit?
Thanks
fixed
I don't know whether this should be here or the reference desk but does anyone know what this is:
Thanks. Secretlondon 17:59, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm a keen photographer and have posted some of my own images like on this page. At present I've put on the GFDL tag but I'm wondering what is most appropriate. I really only want to permit the photos use on Wikipedia. Any ideas?? Jgritz 13:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Dear Sir, We have 20 pair ariel Telephone Cable. We want to lay out the cable to connect our telephone lines from the last delivery point available at the site, which is about 3 kilometer Distance from our office. Due to some reason, we have to take about 1.5 kms in the ground 3 feet deep. We would like to know is it ok to take 20 pair ariel cable underground plus, please advice what precautions should we take during layout as there is water seepage in some parts of the land dig out for the cable.
An early answer will be appreciated as we have to lay cable as soon as possible.
from
Najmul Hassan Pakistan.
najmhassan@hotmail.com
The reason is surely that Wikipedia is a bunch of people obsessed with researching and publishing information. It's a fair chance that someone will be interested and inclined to answer the gentleman. For better or worse, we're a community of compulsive altrustic researchers.
Mark Richards 07:21, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
More and more article types (Space Shuttle Missions and Albums, to name a couple) are getting rather complex standard formats, apparently under the heading "Wikiprojects". While I can see that from a user's perspective these are nice, if not necessarily more useful than straight text, but from a potential editor's perspective they are daunting. Two weeks ago if a neophyte potential editor clicked "edit this page" at Four Symbols, for example, he/she got a nice window with the first couple paragraphs of source text in it. A few formatting characters, too, but nothing he/she had to know to make an edit. Today if a newbie tries to edit the same page they get a faceful of quasi-HTML code -- run away! Yes, they can, if they are brave, scroll down to where the meat is, but I think folks who know and are comfortable with such markups highly underestimate the chilling effect they have on potential editors. As far as I can tell, Wikipedia has always valued content over form; it seems we want everybody, not just web gurus, to be able to effectively participate in the 'pedia both as a user and as an editor, right? Then there needs to be a way to do a formatless edit (actually an edit of text only keeping the existing format in place). I'd go so far to say that fancy formats should be put on hold until such a tool exists.
Forgive me if this has been or is being hashed out somewhere else, and if so, please point me. I think it's important, though. Jgm 06:03, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
OK, another weird thing. The thumbnail in the
Australian Shepherd breed table displayed fine 20 minutes ago. I didn't change the Image statement at all, but I did go to the image page and edited its text. Now the thumbnail doesn't display. Clicking the magnifying glass works OK. (Simply editing the image description page doesn't seem to be the problem, because I tried it with one of the other thumbnails.) Can anyone else see the thumbnail? If not, anyone know why it's gone?
Elf 05:36, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) I quit out of my browser and restarted and that fixed it.
Elf 05:52, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
When I hover over a check box a little yellow rectangle appears that says "Select any two versions to diff them". This sounds like a terrific new feature (thank you to whoever had the idea, and whoever programmed it) and I'd like to make use of it, but I don't understand what I'm supposed to do. I've selected two versions. There are two little ticks next to the versions I want to "diff". What do I do now? Sorry to trouble you with this, but I can't find an answer in the help pages. GrahamN 05:01, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oh. Is it JavaScript or Active-X or one of those things? If I turn all that nonsense on it just slows down this crappy old 486 computer I'm using. Is there not a simpler way? GrahamN 05:19, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Maybe some nice developer could add a little "show diff" button that we script refuseniks could click on to make use of this fantastic new feature? GrahamN 06:47, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why is it that we don't tell people how much their contributions are appreciated until after they leave? Wouldn't it be a lot better to give someone a kind word while they're here? →Raul654 03:11, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
If every editor made a point of sending one nice comment to another editor each day, this would look like a very supportive place. If you find yourself saying "whoa, good article" while reading one, just let everybody know! Stan 17:42, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Or we could do a MacDonald like thing say, Wikipedian of the month. Or some sort of Oscars. I can imagine the thrill... Muriel 17:57, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The W3.org HTML validator finds an erroneous </p><p> in the Honeysuckle article--there's no such thing if you click Edit this page. (You have to save the whole page and upload it--if you try and run the validator direct on the site it gets a 403 error.) Niteowlneils 02:44, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Due to the confusing nature of the last poll, we have restarted the poll about what to remove from the sidebar in order to link the Community Portal page. Vote at Wikipedia talk:Community Portal#New sidebar poll.
And this has solved the problem! The extra line doesn't even appear on the page. jaknouse 23:21, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The problem with getting an up-to-date browser is that I am too poor to buy a system that can run a newer browser. I think there are many people in my position. jaknouse 23:34, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
EXAMPLE:
[ [ pl:Okrytonasienne ] ]
[ [ sv:Fröväxter ] ]
————
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" align="right" cellpadding="2" style="margin-left:1em">
I've had a serious problem with taxobox formatting in biological articles. Much of the time, it appears on the left, whether I'm using Netscape 4.7 or Explorer 4.0. I finally realized that what the articles had in common that had the taxoboxes misplace was other languages for the article. So I started inserting a space, four hyphens, another space between the languages and the taxobox, like this:
The article for Citric Acid has a problem rendering its table. The closing table tag gets rendered with & lt; and & gt;, making it visible, instead of closing the table. The opening paragraph ends up formatted as part of the table using some browsers. The HTML looks OK per my reference material, and the person that added the table commented that he was also unable to find a problem with the HTML. I removed the closing table tag so it wouldn't display, but the text, at least using MS-IE, is formatted incorrectly. And omitting the closing table tag is bad HTML.
May look correct (I suspect the intention is actually to have the first paragraph formatted to the left, like the rest of the article): http://ginger-or-mary-ann.com/CitricAdicMozilla.jpg Doesn't look correct: http://ginger-or-mary-ann.com/CitricAcidIE.jpg
While we're at it, according to the w3.org HTML validator, the MediaWiki TOC code seems to generate incorrect HTML.
Niteowlneils 23:17, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC) (moved to its own section)
I didn't see exactly the problem that you were seeing, using IE 5.1. But I did see *a* problem, which went away when I fixed a missing and then closed the table. How does it look now? Elf 01:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
is there any full form for main().function in c.please let me know venkata_sukumar2002@yahoo.com
I'm still puzzled by this concept and wondered if you could enlighten me.
Suppose I were writing 500 years ago in Ye Olde Wykipedia and I put: "Travel north and you will reach the North Pole". Someone else would have come along and changed this to: "It is claimed that if you travel north you will reach the North Pole." Fair enough - they wouldn't have wanted to be burned alive at what was claimed by church authorities to be a stake.
But times have changed. It would be absurd for anyone now to claim that you could travel in any direction other than north to reach the North Pole. Therefore NPOV is time-dependent, based on the state of current knowledge.
Now when I have knowledge about something, surely it is more useful for my readers to know that something is true rather than just claimed to be so, i.e. this is an important distinction to make in a so-called encyclopedia. How do I make that distinction without well-meaning trolls coming along and changing all my certain truths into mere claims? The answer must have something to do with the authority of the original writer. Or is this a lost cause, and I have to accept one of the weaknesses of the wikipedia conception is that all its truths are mere claims, all part of the trend towards relativism wherein nothing can really be known by anyone. Matt Stan 18:16, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This is a general problem about disseminating knowledge even in a University if the professor isn't the primary source he can disseminate a knowledge that is proven false by other. This lead to epistemology what is a scientific truth ? It's something that's is reconized as true by the scientists... When will scientific truth become "the Truth" for the common man : when it has been largely disseminated and accepted by a large majority.... Ericd 19:55, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Somebody put this on my talk page, regarding the evolution of an article, I suppose, or perhaps a bit of wikicynicism:
Nothing there about anyone knowing anything! To give an example, as requested, I have been editing the Fathers' rights page, a potentially contentious subject if there ever was one, no doubt (or as some might claim)! Now I also happen to be a divorced father, and a media spokesperson and trustee of a national UK charity called Fathers Need Families. I encounter much that is generally not known in the secret world of family law. I have been exhorted by Bob Geldof to get political. It therefore might be that my polemics are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Might I not acheive more by setting up a personal blog somethwere else? On the other hand this is a topical issue that many might find interesting, and one that is climbing up the political agenda. Therefore Wikipedia is an obvious place to provide up-to-date information about how the situation develops (as it did during 9-11). My challenge, which I think only wikipedia can provide, is to produce a piece that stands in spite of everybody having the opportunity to wreck it. Then it will have a far far greater likelihood of being taken as true than if I had just promulgated it without wikipedia's relentless peer reviev process. Therefore wiki exposure is a crucial part of my polemic itself. My problem, though, has been one of muted accusations of NPOV and my writing has been hacked about a bit by people acting in good faith (I think) to apply the NPOV dogma to something they know very little about, or find very hard to believe. In general I have found the application of NPOV to my work to be constructive and helpful. But the result has on occasion been that the article is made to say the opposite of what according to Mr Y, revered by proponents of X, is true. - which I see as the application of NPOV leading to the dissemination of misinformation. This led to my musings and ramplings here about the true and claimed nature of NPOV. There are plenty of excamples if you delve into the Page History of the Fathers' rights page, though I can dig some out and put them here if requested. Matt Stan 18:53, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm new. I don't understand why some links are red and others are blue. I've tried searching around for an answer with no luck. Also the "signature" button doesn't appear to be working for me- when I press it, the screen kinda shifts, and a "-" apears, but not sig. Can anyone help me? -elliott shultz
I just got the following email:
Dude, this is now my fourth e-mail you have banned 67.74.81.169. I am loggin on through Netzero so my IP is always going to hae 67.74 in the beginning of it....please unblock your FAR OVER-REACHING ban on such IPs you are hindering me from making progress on MY user page and reseach projects. PLEASE STOP.
The problem is that the range *has* to be blocked in order to block the vandal, if he takes the time to power cycle his modem. Suggestions?
moved to Wikipedia:Wikipedia's oldest articles
Is a TV Guide cover fair use, say, a cover of Oprah in the Oprah article, a Cookie Monster cover in the Cookie Monster article, that sort of thing? -- user:zanimum
Wikipedia is suffering a distributed spambot attack. The bot adds links to a site called "emmss", from around 10 different IP addresses. It's probably made over 1000 edits. The following wikis may need help cleaning up:
-- Tim Starling 14:13, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
I'm making a few people sysops on those wikis temporarily, in case anyone's wondering. -- Tim Starling 14:31, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
Many thanks to Fuzheado and Andre Engels for cleaning up several wikis, Suisui who worked on ja, and gwicke and jeronim working on the technical side. -- Tim Starling 15:10, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
Many thanks to you all for stopping this severe attack. Ellywa 17:37, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Fortunately on cy the spambot only edited our sandbox! (Must be a virtue of only being a small Wikipedia!) -- Arwel 00:28, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Greatest. Wikipedia Quote. Ever. From History of Somalia:
Runner-up, from the same page, is:
-- Walt Pohl 11:05, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Respected Sir, I have honour to learn about common Professional Examination.I am a law graduate (LL.B.) from Pakistan.Besides it i have done masters in Political Science.I have also done Human Rights diploma from Faculty of Law, University of Peshawar with the colloberation of university of Oslo, Norway.I am doing practise of law from last three years. Now, i am intrested to equip my self with law in England and for this purpose as per my information i have to do C.P.E. Therefore, I may be provided with guidelines/requirements for the same and obliged.
Sincerely yours Hassan Agha hasn_akhan@yahoo.com hassanqazalbash@hotmail.com
Vote on the proposed policy to grant sysops the power to ban a user for 24 hours if they engage in revert wars. All replies/comments to that page please. fabiform | talk 09:20, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Have you checked out http://www.wikinfo.org ? They encourage a sympathetic point of view editorial style which you may find preferable to Wikipedia, and you can build on the existing work here via an automated import system. Build up where you'll be welcomed; don't waste your time here. -- Brion 07:50, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
I'm asking Wikipedia, please, please, every user, send off the Wikipedia:Press releases/February 2004 press release off to your local paper, a few local papers, a dozen papers in Tibet. We need to get this out to the media, and can only do it with your help! Even contacting one local paper will make a world of difference. Secretlondon once said, "If some of the people who helped write the thing had helped send it out we would have the world covered by now." -- user:Zanimum
I forgot to log in; how do I 'claim' an edit as my own, so that my login name shows up in the page history instead of my IP address? I know I saw information about this once, but I've just now scoured the Wikipedia help, and I can't find the information again. Brian Kendig 00:19, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS - Reply in the Requests for comment section
I want this article to focus on Southwest Asia, although not completely exclude Northern Africa.
Here's an example of what I want in the article...
The entire Ottoman section should be left alone in this regard, as the North African lands are part of their empire, and whatever happens there affects Southwest Asia. However, in this sentence... "When republican revolutions brought radical anti-western regimes to power in Egypt in
1954, in Syria in 1963, in Iraq in 1968 and in Libya in 1969, the Soviet Union, seeking to open a new arena of the Cold War in the Middle East, allied itself with Arab rulers such as Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt and Saddam Hussein of Iraq."
IMO, Libya should be taken out there, as this doesn't show interactions between them and the Southwest Asian countries. Yet Egypt should stay, as they are better connected to the other Middle Eastern countries, and part of their country is in Asia.
I also want to put "This article is a general overview of the history of the Middle East, (This article uses the Southwest Asia definition). For more detailed information, see articles on the histories of individual countries. For North Africa, see History of Africa.", but Adam Carr doesn't want me to do this.
Perhaps I should have "This article is a general overview of the history of the Middle East, For more detailed information, see articles on the histories of individual countries. For more detailed information on countries in North Africa, see History of Africa.
See: Talk:History of the Middle East for more information.
Discuss about it in Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment WhisperToMe 23:37, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC) DO NOT REPLY TO THIS - Reply in the Requests for comment section
Called the Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act - ?alabio kindly left this on my talk: Very interesting... Wired news story
I'm writing a paper comparing different forms of online moderation (which I plan to include Wikipedia in). Wikipedia:Administrators contains a pretty good description of how our system of moderation works. I'd like the equivalent of that for other important sites (slashdot comes to mind). Thanks for the help. →Raul654 21:30, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
I have merged the U.S.-North Korea article that is currently listed in the Opentask/Merge notation. How do I remove the article from that listing? (I'm just a bit confused I guess, since I assumed that the Opentask list was created by the database finding random articles with the Duplicate boilerplate tag. The U.S.-North Korea article has had that removed, so I'm not clear on how that article remains in the Opentask notation.) -- Wolf530 19:54, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm confused enough about the various namespaces already, so I can't figure out whether this is a bug or a feature. There's an image at [[:Image:AustrCattleDogBlueFace wb.jpg]]. Somehow I inadvertently type [[:Image:Image:AustrCattleDogBlueFace wb.jpg]] (duplicating the :Image part), which takes me here. It displays a brand-new page, *with* the image, but without any of the text or history of the image. Clearly it thinks it's a different *article* but the same *image*, but why that combination? And should it allow this? Elf 19:47, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
y can i use external images in Chinese WP(don't need to upload), while it's not allowed in English WP? -- Yacht 17:28, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
I tried to add the PIN format for Chennai. Right now, I've added it as 600 ddd. I used d to represent any digit. Is it ok? or Should it be 600 xxx or any other Wiki format? TIA -- Rrjanbiah 12:14, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is there any map work going on in Wiki? or Could I suggest you such map project? -- Rrjanbiah 12:08, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm kinda newcomer here. I like to know is there anyway to get grammar/editing help from other native speakers (My first language is Tamil). (I'm not referring peer reiview) -- Rrjanbiah 12:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I read the mandrake article, and saw that at the bottom of the article it had a list of other things mandrake might refer to. So, I thought, I'll move this page to Mandrake_(plant), and make this a disambiguation page. But now, the Mandrake_(plant) page contains the disambig page, and the mandrake page makes a redirect, and I'm sure I never typed a redirect. What happened, and how should I get back the original article? Sietse 10:55, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
--> User talk:David Newton/Bird Dispute
There's less than a week left to make suggestions in the design competition to replace the grey border & magnifying glass icon around thumbnails. Even if you don't have the time/ inclination/ html knowledge to suggest a replacement yourself, please come and vote in the straw poll to say which features you most want to see. :) fabiform | talk 04:29, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The following section was removed by Pcb21, stating that he/she was removing something else. I presume it was an error and am restoring it. (Pcb21, if you meant to remove this, please explain why, and/or suggest a better palce to put it):
-- Securiger 02:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I tried to move it for disambiguation. A a result, I've got a page with
and no history!
Developers, please restore. Mikkalai 21:26, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It seems that the move function will no longer allow me to overwrite a page that's never been anything but a redirect. Would someone please delete Halva (most common English spelling) and move Halvah there. Mkweise 21:23, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
halva: 182k google hits halwa: 36k halvah: 32k helva: 14k
I need help. The university project that has been working at Customer experience management has hit snags here, and the project leader, Karsten, has been talking with me about how to solve things. I suggested Wikibooks, and he's agreed that the project they're trying to do is a better fit for Wikibooks (at least, as I explained Wikibooks). Problem is, I've never moved stuff to Wikibooks, and I've never worked there, so I really need an editor who knows something about Wikibooks to volunteer to help Karsten (who is a very intelligent and pleasant person, and most willing to learn) transfer the stuff over to Wikibooks and be a point of contact there should he have questions. I've asked on their mailing list (which seems very infrequently used), but I was hoping there'd be someone here who'd know. Please help if you can! Jwrosenzweig 17:56, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I would like to start a wikitree editable family tree. I don't know if wikimedia would be willing to administer the system... Perl 15:26, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I think its a good idea. How about WikiFamily? Ludraman | Talk 18:15, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What kind of condition I can use banners or logs of Wikipedia on?
What the term "Feel free to grab these for your website." on Wikipedia:Banners and buttons mean? Can I use these banners not under terms of GNU Free Documentation License or only under GFDL?
How about logs of Wikipedia?
Sorry for my poor English.
Thank you! --
MIzusumashi 14:19, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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thanks for yours understanding. from jonathan boysoft.
Does anyone know of a Unicode character converter that will transliterate text written in Latin and turn it into the Cyrillic equivalents in Unicode - for instance, turning RESPUBLIKA into the Unicode for РЭСПУБЛIКА? It would also help if the same converter could translate Windows Cyrillic characters into Unicode. -- ChrisO 10:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=RCS indicates RCS is linked to by "Concurrent versions system". In fact, it lists it twice! I've fixed the one link it had, and can find no others. What gives? -- Pascal666 07:47, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Found another one. The page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=CVS lists KDE four times and SourceForge twice, even though neither of them point there anymore. -- Pascal666 08:06, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I would like to see 'Wikiproject:' become a namespace, so we can avoid the uberlong Wikipedia:Wikiproject ... Thanks. SV (talk) 06:49, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[2] Come on down! Sam Spade 05:28, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There is an error in the spelling of monatomic on one of the pages about helium. I just thought that I would send this message so you all know. I do not know how many other errors there are on this word but I thought I would let you know that there was at least one. Monatomic was typed in as monoatomic instead.
Sincerely, Dan Knapp
Anybody happen to know how Georgios Papanikolaou would be written in the Green alphabet? jengod
I would hazard something like Γεοργιος Παπανικολαου but I'm probably wrong :) Dysprosia 03:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I recently added a lot of information to the Microsoft antitrust case article. However, another user believes the article to be biased, and has added a disclaimer saying so to the top of the page. I've discussed it with him offsite; he can't point to anything specific he believes to be biased in my additions to the article, but he believes the general tone of what I added is biased, perhaps in my choice of what facts to add. Would someone else please have a look at the article and either help me bring it further NPOV or else remove the disclaimer? - Brian Kendig 23:25, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I found a passage in there that comprised allegations against Bill Gates but which offered no source to explain who was making the allegations about his courtroom demeanor. The non-durable links pointed to sites outside of wikipedia. I removed the offending point of view. It appeared the writer either wanted to deprecate Gates or was so acustomed to deprecating Gates it seemed normal to post allegations without saying who made them. Negative connotation 08:30, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am a little uneasy about recent edits in University of Bristol by someone from an IP address (137.222.50.154) at that institution. Nothing terrible but a bit of a PoV feel (to me) and perhaps some kind of agenda, maybe an official Bristol one, being promoted. Claims about its prestige, claims about mediocre depts holding back the ratings. Maybe it's OK really but I would be grateful if someone with more experience than I would take a look at it please. 82.35.17.203 20:55, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have a search-engine question over at the Talk:Ballard,_Seattle,_Washington page.
-- c3k 17:04, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)
At the moment, Special:Wantedpages is not updated automatically, but created only once in some days (to help the servers with their burden). That is okay -- but what is confusing is the use of edit links, because they stay red. That is no problem if Wantedpages is generated every time one calls it, but in the current state of affairs, it would be more useful if one actually can see if a wanted page (say: Toto (band), which is still listed on the top of most wanted) has been created by someone else in the meantime. So I propose to introduce another link (to the page, not to editing the page) for every item in the Special:Wantedpages to make it easier to check if the item got created meanwhile. -- till we *) 13:13, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I was wondering how do you talk with other Wikipedians using UserTalk if they don't have a link to their talk page? JB82 15:07, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
How does a Wikipedian go about deleting a page? JB82 16:55, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
Could somebody please fix the bug that causes a user to become logged-out when they hit the "Save Page" button after editing an article, and now also causes the edit to be lost. (It used to be that if you got logged out in this way you could hit "Back" and your edit would still be there. Now it lost for good.) This has happened to me twice in recent days, causing me to lose a lot of work. I know others have complained about this bug for a long time, but it has never been fixed. (Yes I know I should save all edits somewhere else before attempting to "Save Page," but I don't always remember.) Adam 04:32, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is there any way to automatically generate a list of related articles? Such as all Unterseeboots that have articles? -- Pascal666 03:02, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
My Netscape 7 only let me see the last four village pump entries in this very big issue after I went into the edit box -- even a forced reload didn't get me actual content. Maybe a problem related to file size and the caching system? -- till we *) 00:12, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I know there is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Battles battlebox, but is there a page (apparently it's not Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars) that itemizes a "warbox"--just want to ask about recent adds to U.S. wars. jengod 23:43, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
To be moved to Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context
I apologize if I'm raising this issue in the wrong forum or if it's already been discussed. But I've noticed several examples of what I'd call overwikification. Check out these articles: List of Ambassadors to Canada, Survivor: Pulau Tiga, Tom Berenger, Twelfth United States Congress. There's over two hundred red links to empty articles on these four pages alone. And looking at the titles of these empties, it's likely nobody is ever going to fill them in with any article, let alone one worth reading.
Maybe we need to discuss some informal standard an empty article needs to rise to before someone creates a red link to it. MK 22:30, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
To me this seems to be 2 slightly different arguments going on here, firstly what deserves an article, and secondly that red links are bad. The first argument I am going to steer well away from. The second one however, seems easy, (philosophically at least). If there are a reasonable amount of people who find the missing links annoying we should add a user config option to not display incomplete links, (yes I know this isn't the place to suggest software mods but I was just trying to help solve a disagreement, if others agree I could add the request on sourceforge). In my suggestion there would be 3 choices for the display of bad links, red, question mark or plain text. Steven jones 02:50, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Looking at a source for the article on Ezequiel Martínez Estrada, I have run into a Spanish-language term I do not know who to translate: "neurodermitis melánica". I have translated this conservatively as "a form of neurodermatitis", but I would like to be more precise. Does anyone know the English-language equivalent? -- Jmabel 22:16, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A technical suggestion: it would be great if a spoiler warning lead to a message in the <head><title></title></head> of the page in question, rather than just in the body. My feeling is that if you are looking something up in an encyclopedia, you should already be ready for potential spoilers. So I see the spoiler warning as often more useful for people navigating in from Google searches and the like, who might not realize that they are about to get a plot summary. As such, it would be nice to put the warning somewhere that Google searchers will notice it right away. Chinasaur 19:37, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
Alternatively, we could not include any plots in the articles and instead have a Plot of... page. I think this would make it very clear. -- Kokiri 09:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
That's a possible solution but I'd rather find all the info on a movie in one place. Maybe the plot shd always be the last thing on the page. In ANY event, the global "spoiler" disclaimer is not sufficient, IMHO. That would prevent me from ever reading any article! It's common practice in the universe at large (don't really know about anything outside the solar system, though) to put the spoiler warning specifically with the text--either at the top of the article or immediately preceding the spoiler section. But please let's not rely on a generic applies-to-all-articles-in-WP! Elf 21:32, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
about id=toc --> Wikipedia talk:How to use tables
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The NetSweeper internet monitoring software that blocks out unsavoury sites for parents and school boards alike censors out Wikipedia Spanish as a "Sex Site". Unless it is a risque Wikimedia project that I didn't know about, we should look into getting them to change this automated decision. -- Senor Wences
Out of interest, how many people use this stuff? Mark Richards 07:12, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
On the 'Wikipedia' article it says that one can download the wikipedia database. How can this be done?
The article Revised Standard Version is a featured article. I have taken a beauty shot of the cover of the 2002 anniversary edition I plan to upload. What's the specs on using this image as the main page thumbnail when this article's time comes?
-- iHoshie 20:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There is a discussion and opinion poll at Wikipedia talk:Community Portal#Visibility poll over whether a link to the "Community Portal" should be added to the sidebar, and what if anything should be removed to make way for it. Please add your opinions there; thank you - IMSoP 19:44, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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I am not a very good writer but I have some reliable/independent sources for a (large) entry. Without that information the entry seems lacking and misleading at some points. Is there a more experienced editor to add the information or should I take my chances?
Where can I find a Wikipedia guideline for the usage of horizontal dividing lines, like the one above, especially within articles? Thanks! olivier 10:11, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the best place to bring this up, though it does relate to the horizontal dividing line, but this has really begun to irritate me. At the top of every page on the left hand side is the column of "easy access items" (Main Page, Recent Changes, etc) with three horizontal lines stretching across every page. The problem that exists (at least for me and my computer) is that wherever I go to in Wikipedia I am incapable of clicking on anything to the right of that column of links. This column and the horizontal lines that go with it seem to overlap the tops of every page making it impossible to use the search utility at the top of the page and keeping me from logging into Wikipedia if I am somehow logged out. The situation needs some attention. Katagelophobia 10 Mar 2004
Cleanup seems to have gotten a complete copy inserted in the middle again, perhaps in an edit conflict.
I will not be fixing it this time (well, i did take out one of the two "Just in" headings, before i remembered what that usually really means) but leaving it to someone with a faster connection.
On the other hand, i'll be working on the witch hunt, since two recent times it was someone who had no idea they'd been involved. Most likely i will communicate with any "witches" directly, rather than postiing anything about it. -- Jerzy (t) 01:20, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)
I am right in thinking there are no "master editors" or ownere of articles. It's just that edits are being habitually rolled back at Artificial consciousness and I am not the only one it is happening to. Ataturk 00:14, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why do you want to leave? →Raul654 02:25, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
I am leaving wikipedia unless Jimbo intervenes in the matter involving one of the Wikipedia developers and me. Perl 02:15, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I see on the front page that selected anniversaries for March 16. Why not put that today is the one year anniversary of the brutal murder of the peaceful protestor Rachel Corrie by the Israeli Defense Forces? Rest in peace, Rachel. -- Richardchilton 06:52, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is George Bush's middle name?
What is George Bush's middle name?
I find it mildly offensive to refer to ships as "she" rather than "it." As one example (of many) see USS John S. McCain (DD-928). Does Wikipedia have a policy on this? moink 21:38, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The Chicago Manual of Style 15th Edition, 8.126, suggests "it" rather than "she". Tradition notwithstanding. -- Nunh-huh 22:50, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Moink said "My objection has to do with the association between women and objects, particularly objects used mainly by men." I disagree. Calling a ship "she" is personifying the ship, not objectifying women. fabiform | talk 23:34, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Very interesting discussion so far. Here's my $.02 (FWIW I'm an extreme nautical illiterate). First, no disresect to our non-English colleagues, but there is no grammatical gender in English. Using the pronoun she with a ship has nothing to do with grammatical agreement. it is simply tradition. Now, whether we want to perpetuate that tradition, that's another matter. Without getting into issues of political correctness, I would suggest the best course would be to follow one of the standard references on usage, such as the Chicago Manual of Style that Nunh-huh cited earlier. Bkonrad | Talk 03:24, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I think this should be treated in the same way as British and Americal English spelling-- do whichever you like, just be consistent within an article and don't change articles just for the sake of it. WRT the Chicago manual, aren't there other style guides that disagree with that? What about older (and newer?) versions of the handbook? Couldn't it be a case of PC itself? Mr. Jones 15:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Reference to a ship as "She" is a personification of an object, not an objectification of women. It is one used in reverence, for example as in "Mother-ship" exempifying the nurturing role of a ship to the safety of its crew. It bestows an empowering rather than derogatry idea of feminity to counterblance what was traditionally mascualine world. Like in all things balance is required. Would the objection of use of gender have been raised in the first place had ships been traditianlly referred to as "he"? I personally think not. :Dainamo march 15, 2004
What is George Bush's middle name?
Dear Madam or Sir, I'm a conductor from the Swiss Railways and I'm a collector of Railwayshats from all the World. I have over 300 Railwayshats from all the World. Unfortunately I haven't all E-Mail addresses from Railways Companies on the World. Can you send me a list with there? I would be very very happy to have this for continue with my collection. I hope, that you can help me and you write me in the next days back. Thank you very very much for your help, your time and your trouble. Best regards from Switzerland and have a nice time: Marcello Malisan Conductor Swiss Railways
I seem to have messed something up kinda badly. I'd noticed that someone had moved Cassini-Huygens Mission to Cassini-Huygens using cut-and-paste, which left the article history behind in the process. Since there wasn't anything significant in the history of Cassini-Huygens, I decided to fix that by deleting it and moving Cassini-Huygens Mission there properly. But after I finished, I found that I'd somehow lost the article entirely; each of those articles redirects to the other, and neither of them has the article's history. Can anyone help me fix this? Bryan 01:30, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I believe I have proved this theorem incorrect, however I need varification. I created adjacent areas on a plane, and have found that the least amount of colors that can be used is five. I am unsure whether the map must be an actual geographical map, or if it can be theoretical. If you could clairify this for me, i would be most appreciative. Thank you-- Laura
i wanna know about ur quality system decoumentation,could u tell me?
The Pillows (a Japanese rock band) should actually be "the pillows" -- I've never seen their name capitalized on any official source. It would be easy enough to change this in the text, and I was about to, but first I tried to move the article to "the pillows." However, Wikipedia forced the capitalization of the T: "The pillows." Is there a way to force Wikipedia to keep that T lowercase? Garrett Albright 04:44, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
is it possible to download single web pages as with the "save as ..." command of iexplorer, but having link with relative local addresses instead of the complete path http://en.wikipedia.org/.... ? "2004 march 12 - mauri"
Dear Sir/Madam
I was wanting to know the Family Crest of this dynasty? Or if not the symbole of this dynasty! Thanks
Wu Chong Chiu
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I subscribed to the Wikipedia-L mailing list, but I don't recieve anything. I have tried a few times but its always the same case - no mail. Has anyone else had this problem - a bug in the software maybe? - Ludraman 16:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
How do I include my talk page in my signature, since ~~~~ doesn't seem to do it? Elf 17:49, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Can someone undo a move please? I attempted to move Lacinka alphabet to Łacinka alphabet but this caused it to end up at some weird location. Jo r 17:02, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is there a list of all of the [[mediawiki:{{{1}}}|message with id '{{{1}}}']] ([[mediawiki talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]) messages somewhere? RickK 16:15, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is the easiest way to view the images available for use in articles? - Bevo 22:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is the copyright status of material obtained under the Freedom of Information Act? I am thinking in particular of the photos and documents on TheSmokingGun.com can be used on Wikipedia. Thanks! Mark Richards 23:39, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! There is a comment on the home section of the site that says the images were obtained by filing FIA requests, but nothing else that confirms it for each image. One the basis of what's been said, I am not going to post any of them. Thanks, Mark Richards 04:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am right in thinking there are no "master editors" or owners of articles. It's just that edits are being habitually rolled back at Artificial consciousness and I am not the only one it is happening to. Ataturk 00:14, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Something which is perhaps a little unusual has occurred. One editor of Artificial consciousness has refused to work on a new consensus version of the article on a sub-page of the Talk page. He refuses to contribute in any other way. But he says he is unhappy. The new version of the article is patently an improvement and represents even the recalcitrant editor's POV, I think. A new article Consciousness (artificial) has been created as a copy of the proposed one. The recalcitrant editor has said he will not edit that either. I suggest an experiment be allowed. Unprotect Artificial consciousness and allow it and Consciousness (artificial) to co-exist for a while. The latter really is an improvement and must not be lost, but the former is at a disadvantage as it is frozen. I think it will defuse the edit war and the best article will be the one that survives. I know this is a little unusual but I ask that NEITHER article be deleted, for the timee being. Ataturk 02:29, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This page (already way past its 32kB limit) is flooded with too many random IPs asking questions that seem not to be grounded with the aim to write and improve WP encyclopedia articles. We should state up at the top that if you are not registered, any reference desk question asked here will not be moved to the reference desk but deleted. -- Jia ng 00:11, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Anonymous users should not be blamed for asking questions on the pump. Lets try to see how an anon comes here.
Jay 17:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with Jiang. If a question on this page is annoying you, just move it to the reference desk. Over there we tend to be very sweet to the questioners, performing google searches for them, asking for clarifications of incoherent questions, etc. User:Jwrosenzweig even gave advice to someone looking to clear her home of canine ghosts. I don't personally e-mail people who wish e-mail answers, but others do. Remember that we have to put a good public face on Wikipedia, that we want good press both for our usage and for our contributions grow. Rudeness (not aimed at you Jiang, but others have been rude) doesn't help anyone, and we can't assume that all of our readers are as computer-savvy as the average Wikipedian. moink 18:03, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just dont see the benefits of answering questions. If answering questions is going to get people to contribute then you have a valid point. If it provides no benefit, then what's the point? Maybe we should send out boiler plate text asking anyone who asks questions to contribute. The cost is that VP is clogged when it cannot afford it. -- Jia ng
The page is 70kb and some browsers have problems loading pages over 32kb. That's why a big bold message shows up when one clicks on "Edit this page".-- Jia ng 05:10, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As long as this page is the village pump, anyone should be allowed to ask whatever (s)he wants, and anyone should be allowed to answer (and, obviously, not to answer). This is not the information desk but the village pump, there's a great difference. OK, this page may need tidying up more frequently, but not by silencing people. Pfortuny 11:42, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It is true that this page is long enough to be obnoxious. Could we subdivide it by category? pstudier 23:23, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)
Hi there,
I am trying to find out who has played the most number of games for the All Blacks in Bledisloe Cup matches. Could someone help me please.
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While responding to demands posted on my user page, I found a photograph of a cat that had been forced into a beer glass, photographed and placed as a lead image on a user's page. The image is uploaded to Wikipedia as image:Cat_in_pint.jpg .
I immediately forwarded the image to a mainstream animal protection advocacy group, but I want to advise readers here about this photograph of animal abuse.
Besides being painful to the animal while being placed in the glass and while confined to the glass, the stunt risks breaking the glass and injuring the cat. The animal might also be injured or have been injured by the act of forcing it into the glass. Publishing the photograph invites others to commit similar acts of animal abuse. Bird 18:55, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
'I reviewed the web site you directed me toward. The site directed toward another site titled cruel.com for more information. The site did not say the images are hoaxes; the site said the practice of raising tube-fed kittens in such environments is a hoax. Actual images of cats confined to glass containers are used to perpetuate the hoax of bonsaikittens. Bird 19:36, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
What is the copyright status of this image? —Eloquence 20:50, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
I received an immediate reply from the ASPCA, which recounted a long history of confronting these sophomoric images. These are obviously individuals who are just looking for attention, the ASPCA wrote. I posted the body of their initial boilerplate reply at: User:Bird/animal_cruelty_replies. (anon)
I put my goldfish in a small glass container. What a cruel scrounge am I! Garrett Albright 00:31, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why is anyone paying attention to anything this person is saying, and why is he still being allowed to post after a massive vandalism attack that required the constant reversion of multitudes of articles over an entire evening? This person made a massive attack with several revolving IP addresses, deleting this page and many other pages over and over again. User:Bird should be banned for all possible posting. RickK | Talk 02:48, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
::RickK wrote:
- Since I'm apparently a small minority in feeling that we should write full sentences and make meaningful articles, don't expect me to do any more editing of other people's articles. I'll stick to my own, and let the rest of the encyclopedia look like garbage.
- There has been recent discussion on the mailing list that what I contribute to Wikipedia is worthless. Others don't seem to have the same feeling, but if it's true, would you please let me know on my Talk page, so that I can finally figure out that I'm not wanted around here?
Are you going to address your vandalism, even apologize for it and vow not to do it again? RickK | Talk 04:13, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
After noticing how many new pages we're getting now, and how many of them do need a little help along the way, I'd like to propose Wikipedia:New pages patrol as an entirely voluntary and low-obligation way of keeping up with Special:Newpages and the flood of new stub articles. As a community, we have a vested interest in watching new pages as they come in and gently offering advice and support to new contributors in order to keep the quality of our article database high. If people think that this is a good idea, I think it'd be ideal to link to this from a header in Special:Newpages much like we do on Special:Recentchanges. -- Seth Ilys 22:55, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oops! My IP address seems to have been accidentally blocked. I think I may have fiddled with something I shouldn't, but I'm not a vandal or an open proxy or anything, honest! The IP in question is 195.137.85.50, so if someone could unblock it for me, I'd be much obliged. [how embarrassing...]
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Votes for deletion is messed up -- see the note at the top -- maybe someone can protect it and sort it out. Just a thought. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:49, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just registered for an account but then I after a bit of thought I realize I would rather post stuff anonymously. How do I go about deleting my account?
I also looked over the FAQ/help pages and can't find any info about account deletion. Perhaps somebody could write a blurb about it?
Thanks.
See Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. silsor 19:00, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. silsor 19:00, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
There was an entry about Jesselyn Radack, but it vanished. I restored it but the deletion does not show up in the history. Nor does it appear in the deletion log as far as I can see. With google it still cannot be found. How can I find out who deleted it?
If nobody has any objection I'm going to remove the vfd notice from all the lists that User: 141 had nominated for deletion, because he was trolling and nobody wants these things deleted. Mintguy (T) 20:39, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
User:Yaohua2000 at Chinese WP got pissed off after people objected to his user page (like this), so he requested about 9 pages started by him and afterwards exclusively edited by him to be deleted. Should we fufill that request? One admin already did. My understanding is that giving to WP is a one-way no-return charity street, but I'm not sure the legality behind it. So I asked on WP IRC, but only Adam replied, saying "I believe that is the gist of the message at the bottom of the editing page".
This couldn't have been the first incident like this? The request sounds logical, but is it compliant to the GNU Wiki "save page" click? I'd surprised if requests of this type doesn't spring up again, and again. Perhaps we should develop a meta or WP namespace page, clear and loud, just for newbies on this topic. -- Menchi 04:57, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
If you could please help me find the answer to a chem honors question I have to answer. What is the chemical composition of a personal desktop computer? and What is the chemical composition of te white powdered compond that is the phosphor on the inside of fluorescent lamps? Any help with these questions would be great. My e-mail address is keywee4@aol.com Thanks phil
There's been some discussion on protecting George W. Bush until the U.S. presidential election is over, based on a recent spate of vandalism. We decided to hold a poll here so as to give this decision wider exposure in the community. The options we've thought of are thus:
Feel free to add other suggestions. Every person can either support or oppose each option. I've voted; follow this format.
Dear Sir,
My name is Richard Tan and I am a staunch supporter for the next US presidential Candidate for the coming US election to be held on Nov. 2, 2004.
The reason for me to request for such unusual question is I need the exact time to cast an accurate prediction on him and to offer some good advice using Chinese metaphysic, called the 4 Pillars of Destiny.
I am going to contribute in the form of article writting to certain feng shui magazines and website to attract more people to going to Kerry' s presidental campaign website.
Hope you can assist me in order to come up with an accurate and practical advice. Thanking you in anticipation.
Yours Sincerely
Richard Tan