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delete - presumed caching issue - see also wikipedia:bug reports
Help! At Shearwater, I've put in a link to Cory's Shearwater, which is written. The link stays red, but clicking on it goes to the edit page of the new article, not the article itself or a blank page. I'm sure it's something to do with the apostrophes, but I can't sort it out. jimfbleak 06:38, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
deleted - presumed caching issue - see also wikipedia:bug reports
bug - delete when fixed
It seems the automatic date conversion is not working anymore. The preference option has disappeared. What's going on? -- Wik 06:25, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to talk:list of Canadians
Hi there! I have problems about famous Canadians or notable British Columbians. Who counts as a Canadian? I have added Leslie Cheung in the list of Canadians, but I am not quite comfortable with it. Leslie Cheung had lived in BC for just three years and then returned to Hong Kong after getting a passport, and he is not a rare example. Did I do the right thing? Or should this kind of "non-Canadian" Canadian be removed from the lists? Wshun
I can not find the discussion about signing articles (this is almost wikipedia prehistory). Can somebody point it out to me? or was it discussed in the mailing list? thanks -- AstroNomer 19:37, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
No, it's not what I meant. When wikipedia was young, there was every now and then somebody that wanted to put "author:Such and Such" at the end of the article itself. That was strongly discuraged, and signatures removed almost immediately, but I don't remember if there was and encyclica by pope Larry I, or a discussion in the list about that. If it is in wikipedia, must be buried in some long forgotten page. I was just hoping that somebody would remember.-- AstroNomer 21:26, Sep 3, 2003 (UTC)
moved to wikipedia talk:disambiguation
Moved to Wikipedia talk:How to rename (move) a page
"Miwiki the ant" is an artwork of french workgroup to design a Wikipedia mascot and submit a logo with it (n°132).
m:International logos (126-150)
But, like Anthere (logo n°17) or Paullus (n°4), you can use Miwiki the ant mascot to make a variant of your logo.
Just take picture on this pages :
m:User:Oliezekat/Miwiki logo 5
FrWikipedia:Utilisateur:Oliezekat/Miwiki (in french with several colors)
Or contact me to design myself special picture for your logo variant : Oliezekat
request added to Wikipedia:Requested pictures
Is there a problem with the Redirect in the Systems of zoological classification article? When I use the 'Diff' function on the page history, its shows that a "redirect" was added to Scientific classification. Great. But it doesn't seem to be working. Each time I click on the article I see the previous version; the one without the redirect, showing the full text. What is going on? RK 22:25, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Please weigh in with your opinions (City, Province vs. City) at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)/Spain. - Montréalais 03:12, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Hello, I have entered the original entry for ITOCHU but I forgot to login, would it be possible to change to original entry from '134.32.130.113' to 'jburati' so I can keep track of my contributions?
Jburati
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=134.32.130.113
Please edit User talk:Tim Starling using that IP address or a similar one, without logging in, to confirm that you are actually the same person. Was the Julius Hoffman edit you as well? -- Tim Starling 07:55, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm redirecting the Alphonsos and Alfonsos to Afonso – the proper Portuguese spelling. Because: This Wikipedia is in English - Alfonso is Spanish and Alphonso old Spanish - Since neither is in English, the correct spelling is preferred because Portuguese is as good as language as Spanish - The Spanish kings are left as Alfonso - In this way, I think, everything is covered
Any objection, please mention it in my talk page. Cheers
Muriel Gottrop 08:47, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Can a sysop unprotect the page Wikipedia:Most wanted articles please. There is a formatting problem with it, which causes the html to show up, and I need to remove a page that I have started. Thanks. -- Lypheklub 03:41, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Moved to wikipedia:graphics tutorials
Moved to Talk:Death of a Salesman.
moved to wikipedia talk:establish context
deleted - answered at wikipedia:searching
deleted - feature request - see wikipedia:bug reports
It's Rose O'Neal Greenhow. See Wikipedia:Searching
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights
moved to wikipedia talk:bug reports
deleted - current status is at Wikipedia:Sites_that_use_Wikipedia_for_content
moved to wikipedia talk:copyrights and repeated in part on the Simple Wikipedia
First time here so not sure how things work but I noticed a couple of things that might need attention. Paine started his career in Excise at Grantham, true, but he was promoted and went to Alford, Lincolnshire which I think came under the Horncastle office. He operated in the Alford Outride from the Windmill Hotel. It was from here that he was dismissed, not Grantham as stated. He was sacked in August 1765. On Radio4 bbc today there was a piece on the Headstrong Club which still meets at the Royal Oak, Lewes as in Paine's day. The piece on Lewes states the White Hart. I think you may be right and the BBC wrong, but i cannot verify it at the moment.
Stephen Kirby Louth Lincs bob.cat@context.go-plus.net
when put into a link with the text "The British Museum's objects from the Temple of Artemis at Ephesos" yields:
The British Museum's objects from the Temple of Artemis at Ephesos
instead of the link. Is there a way around this apparent limitation on the length of an http address that can be included?
move to wikipedia talk:village pump
Can people please remember to update the list of moved discussions when they move a discussion off the page? It's hard work keeping the list up to date retrospectively. — Paul A 04:18, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
moved to wikipedia talk:redirect/delete
delete when read - further discussion to wikipedia talk:Replies to common objections
I just created an account and found myself able to edit pages. With this ability for new users, how do we know that the information after edition is correct? I have this concern that valuable information could be deleted or altered intentionally or accidentally. Does Wikipedia have some sort of check in place?
move to user talk:Rambot
Just recently someone created a new article about Farmington, Maine, and when I wondered why the county seat does not even have the automated entry yet I discovered there are in fact two, but both orphans. But what is the difference between Farmington (CDP), Maine and Farmington (town), Maine - I can see the numbers are different, but I don't know the meaning of CDP. And there are many more of the CDP/Town entries, which are not linked in the county articles. andy 09:32, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Image use policy/copyright
This is probably a stupid question, but does it violate copyright to upload images from television shows if I capture them? - Evil saltine 08:34, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to wikipedia talk:statistics
According to a recent Wikipedia:Announcement Wikipedia is as popular as Slashdot. I was quite surprised! Is it really true? Anyone know how Alexa measures popularity? I see they offer a toolbar to download... do they extrapolate data from toolbar downloaders? Are Wikipedians more likely to have a toolbar than other users? Alexa Website Pete 12:05, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Yay. 8 articles in the top 50 new articles created. =-) Really tired now though. :-( -- Alex.tan 13:03, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I recently saw a detailed article on Lt Gen Bazilio by a Col Joseph Ntare on your page, could you please kindly forward me this article.
James Tawny pill20001@yahoo.co.uk
Pete, I dont know the Lt General, the article was writien by my father using my computer, since it is of no use to you, I have checked your archives but could not find it.Could you please tell me what number it is under or could you simply forward it to me. I would also like to apologise on behalf of my Dad since the aarticle is of no use, accept my sincere apologise.
James
Pill20001@yahoo.co.uk
When I began studying the Wikipedia almost a month ago, I noticed immediately that pages were usually slow to respond, and not infrequently failed to respond. Using the 'pedia has continued to be difficult: I often give up. Creating and editing articles proved to be a challenge, too: though I can - sort of - prepare materials outside the Wikipedia environment, there is usually considerable cross-work that can only be done within the database ... which again poses an access/usability problem.
Over the past month, conditions seem to be gradually deteriorating. Yesterday, the Wikipedia crashed and no editing could be done. There was a brief announcement, that a problem had occurred with an upgrade. However, the problem appears broader than that. There is, for example, the case of numerous dynamic pages that are now served from a cache: formerly, they were valued tools, but now slow the encyclopedia excessively.
The issue is such that I have spent several lengthy sessions (slowly) searching for dicussions on Wikipedia that might shed some light on the matter, without success. Is there such a discussion, and/or might we have a detailed description of the status of the Wikipedia infrastructure, what the source(s) of difficulty are, and what is anticipated to be the situation/solution going forward? -- Ted Clayton
Yes, the situation is so bad it's surprising editing and other work continues at all: I have actually checked Recent Changes just to see if other people are still able to do anything. How do the established Wikipedians get things done, manage the place? -- Ted Clayton 20:50, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So, it's an acquired skill-set? I have noticed an increasing tolerance for punishment. ;) Interlanguage - hmm. -- Ted Clayton 21:20, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Alternative activities and projects are constructive - good suggestions!, but a direct request for a discussion of important technical matters remains unmet. Is it improper to raise - or respond to - the accessibility issues? Is the difficulty wrapped in a difficulty? -- Ted Clayton 04:16, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to wikipedia:lag
When I began studying the Wikipedia almost a month ago, I noticed immediately that pages were usually slow to respond, and not infrequently failed to respond. Using the 'pedia has continued to be difficult: I often give up. Creating and editing articles proved to be a challenge, too: though I can - sort of - prepare materials outside the Wikipedia environment, there is usually considerable cross-work that can only be done within the database ... which again poses an access/usability problem.
Over the past month, conditions seem to be gradually deteriorating. Yesterday, the Wikipedia crashed and no editing could be done. There was a brief announcement, that a problem had occurred with an upgrade. However, the problem appears broader than that. There is, for example, the case of numerous dynamic pages that are now served from a cache: formerly, they were valued tools, but now slow the encyclopedia excessively.
The issue is such that I have spent several lengthy sessions (slowly) searching for dicussions on Wikipedia that might shed some light on the matter, without success. Is there such a discussion, and/or might we have a detailed description of the status of the Wikipedia infrastructure, what the source(s) of difficulty are, and what is anticipated to be the situation/solution going forward? -- Ted Clayton
Yes, the situation is so bad it's surprising editing and other work continues at all: I have actually checked Recent Changes just to see if other people are still able to do anything. How do the established Wikipedians get things done, manage the place? -- Ted Clayton 20:50, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So, it's an acquired skill-set? I have noticed an increasing tolerance for punishment. ;) Interlanguage - hmm. -- Ted Clayton 21:20, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Alternative activities and projects are constructive - good suggestions!, but a direct request for a discussion of important technical matters remains unmet. Is it improper to raise - or respond to - the accessibility issues? Is the difficulty wrapped in a difficulty? -- Ted Clayton 04:16, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The Village Pump introduces itself as the place to "...raise and try to answer Wikipedia-related questions and concerns regarding technical issues, policies, and operation in our community." (my emphasis) I have raised prominent and systemic technical issues that affect visitors, lay editors and advanced wikipedians alike. There are clear policy and operational considerations connected to these issues. All of these matters - the questions, the concerns, the policies, and the operations are all explicitly identified as the proper, and sole, purpose & content of the Village Pump.
The additional pages that you reference contain important information that helps me a lot. Searching had not uncovered these: thanks! There are links in those pages going to others, and others yet.. I'll explore, dig into the archives, sign up for WikiTech newsletters, and study.
The Village Pump is where these matters should be taken up, firstly. Specialize pages and mailing lists are vital, too, but the broad aspects of the Wikipedia accessibility issues belong in front of the general community of visitors, users, and editors. Perhaps the results of this discussion should be gathered into/under a page (with links to tech pages?) that remains readily & easily available, that rapidly brings newcomers and interested visitors up to speed or directs them as their interests lead.
Hmm .. I see this thread is now slated to be removed from the Village Pump to a place called Lag, wikipedia:lag. That takes it out of public view, before any actual discussion has even occurred. If the increasingly voluminous preliminaries to discussion need to be pared, let's do that and leave the thread here, with a link to Lag. -- Ted Clayton 15:02, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Tarquin! I'll scan those. -- Ted Clayton 21:05, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I would be the chief suspect. ;) An actual discussion of the matters should be taking place (it hasn't, yet), in a readily accessible, familiar location, and an appropriate place for the link selected, so that it remains in evidence to all comers. But yes, I'll do the work.
A link to such a place would be retired/archived when the issues become history.
I am only now becoming familiar with the existence of Meta, after a month. Village Pump is the prominently advertised & self-identified location for public matters. This appears to me to be the forum attended by the affected audience.
I do see that this discussion about a possible discussion is getting long, and we need to keep Village Pump usable. But Lag is mostly the record of a problem from a year ago, and it's functionally invisible.
If we move this stuff somewhere, but keep a header, intro and link here, that would be fine: can that work? And make new entries as old ones get large and should be moved? I do in principle like the generality/internationality implied by Meta. Do you think a compendium page such as we mentioned above should be in Meta? -- Ted Clayton 16:55, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
My pleasure! Do I recall that you must perform the move, Angela? A link in the list beneath the Village Pump introductory paragraph?:
I used to use the Random Page button as a good way of finding an interesting article that I never knew about before. Recently I've been finding that about 50% of the time I get one of those pages about a tiny US town; you know the ones, all identically formatted and giving the same statistics. These pages should be on Wikipedia, but is there a way of getting them removed from the random page generator? Presumably there must be about 75,000 if them if I'm getting them this often. DJ Clayworth 15:26, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Perhaps we should exclude links that are shown in purple (it's an option for showing stub articles) from the random queue. CGS 22:23, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC).
to be moved to Meta
When I began studying the Wikipedia almost a month ago, I noticed immediately that pages were usually slow to respond, and not infrequently failed to respond. Using the 'pedia has continued to be difficult: I often give up. Creating and editing articles proved to be a challenge, too: though I can - sort of - prepare materials outside the Wikipedia environment, there is usually considerable cross-work that can only be done within the database ... which again poses an access/usability problem.
Over the past month, conditions seem to be gradually deteriorating. Yesterday, the Wikipedia crashed and no editing could be done. There was a brief announcement, that a problem had occurred with an upgrade. However, the problem appears broader than that. There is, for example, the case of numerous dynamic pages that are now served from a cache: formerly, they were valued tools, but now slow the encyclopedia excessively.
The issue is such that I have spent several lengthy sessions (slowly) searching for dicussions on Wikipedia that might shed some light on the matter, without success. Is there such a discussion, and/or might we have a detailed description of the status of the Wikipedia infrastructure, what the source(s) of difficulty are, and what is anticipated to be the situation/solution going forward? -- Ted Clayton
Yes, the situation is so bad it's surprising editing and other work continues at all: I have actually checked Recent Changes just to see if other people are still able to do anything. How do the established Wikipedians get things done, manage the place? -- Ted Clayton 20:50, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So, it's an acquired skill-set? I have noticed an increasing tolerance for punishment. ;) Interlanguage - hmm. -- Ted Clayton 21:20, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Alternative activities and projects are constructive - good suggestions!, but a direct request for a discussion of important technical matters remains unmet. Is it improper to raise - or respond to - the accessibility issues? Is the difficulty wrapped in a difficulty? -- Ted Clayton 04:16, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The Village Pump introduces itself as the place to "...raise and try to answer Wikipedia-related questions and concerns regarding technical issues, policies, and operation in our community." (my emphasis) I have raised prominent and systemic technical issues that affect visitors, lay editors and advanced wikipedians alike. There are clear policy and operational considerations connected to these issues. All of these matters - the questions, the concerns, the policies, and the operations are all explicitly identified as the proper, and sole, purpose & content of the Village Pump.
The additional pages that you reference contain important information that helps me a lot. Searching had not uncovered these: thanks! There are links in those pages going to others, and others yet.. I'll explore, dig into the archives, sign up for WikiTech newsletters, and study.
The Village Pump is where these matters should be taken up, firstly. Specialize pages and mailing lists are vital, too, but the broad aspects of the Wikipedia accessibility issues belong in front of the general community of visitors, users, and editors. Perhaps the results of this discussion should be gathered into/under a page (with links to tech pages?) that remains readily & easily available, that rapidly brings newcomers and interested visitors up to speed or directs them as their interests lead.
Hmm .. I see this thread is now slated to be removed from the Village Pump to a place called Lag, wikipedia:lag. That takes it out of public view, before any actual discussion has even occurred. If the increasingly voluminous preliminaries to discussion need to be pared, let's do that and leave the thread here, with a link to Lag. -- Ted Clayton 15:02, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Tarquin! I'll scan those. -- Ted Clayton 21:05, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I would be the chief suspect. ;) An actual discussion of the matters should be taking place (it hasn't, yet), in a readily accessible, familiar location, and an appropriate place for the link selected, so that it remains in evidence to all comers. But yes, I'll do the work.
A link to such a place would be retired/archived when the issues become history.
I am only now becoming familiar with the existence of Meta, after a month. Village Pump is the prominently advertised & self-identified location for public matters. This appears to me to be the forum attended by the affected audience.
I do see that this discussion about a possible discussion is getting long, and we need to keep Village Pump usable. But Lag is mostly the record of a problem from a year ago, and it's functionally invisible.
If we move this stuff somewhere, but keep a header, intro and link here, that would be fine: can that work? And make new entries as old ones get large and should be moved? I do in principle like the generality/internationality implied by Meta. Do you think a compendium page such as we mentioned above should be in Meta? -- Ted Clayton 16:55, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
My pleasure! Do I recall that you must perform the move, Angela? A link in the list beneath the Village Pump introductory paragraph?:
I'm wondering what people would think about adding Google Ads to Wikipedia. It would help support Wikipedia and I find them relatively unobtrusive and sometimes useful. An option could be included to turn them off or, even to have them off by default. I wonder how Wikipedia is currently funded. Is there a better place to post this? Ezra Wax
Would like the reason and history of the numerous Rock Walls east of Azraq ?
Who was the Hiden in Wadi Hiden?
Requested by awheiden@aol.com
Is there any basis to support a theory that hormones in sperm may effect muscle tone in the female??
1). What is the reason and history of the numeros Rock Walls east of Azraq?
2). Who was the Hiden in Wadi Hiden?
requested by: awheiden@aol.com
Is there a page where case sensitivity is being debated actively? It drives me nuts, in the age of Google, where nobody is accustomed to case sensitivity except for C programmers and Unix hackers, and I'd like to read any reasonable argument for retaining case sensitivity. tempshill
This is an encyclopædia. It has to use precise an accurate terminology. In many many cases using upper or lower case is crucial. proportional representation means either the electoral system called PR or a general system of election based on proportionality. Proportional Representation is the proper name of the electoral system and nothing else. government of France means the generic governance of France, Government of France means the formal constitutional system or the actual current government ruling in France. republic of Ireland means Ireland is a republic, Republic of Ireland is the formal name of the RofI, not merely a system of governance. king is different to King, kingdom means something different to Kingdom, president of the United States something different to President of the United States; Washington wasn't the first of the former, but was the first of the latter, ie, people called 'presidents' existed after independence, but they weren't head of state and never President of the United States. President of the United States means a specific, narrow and singular constitutional office. No encyclopædia would contemplate abandoning case sensitivity, as it denotes the difference between the specific and the general, the proper noun and the generic term. That is particularly the case in British English, Hiberno-English and other non-American forms, all of which pay far more heed to the use of capitalisation than seems fashionable in American English. And, as so often needs to be said, wiki is not an American encyclopædia, it is a world one. FearÉIREANN 20:06, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Could a sysop move Web log to Weblog? See Talk:Web log for the discussion. -- seav 11:04, Sep 6, 2003 (UTC)
Has anyone out there heard of the term "wog" deriving from a shortening of the phrase "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" I have read the entry in Wikipedia, but it doesn't mention the phrase above. can anyone help ?
Beverley. 11/09/03
It is very much discouraged these days to use that expression in Britain, Beverley, and quite rightly too. It really belongs into a dictionary rather than an encyclopedia, and then only with the caveat slang and derogatory. According to most dictionaries it is derived from golliwog, a little ragdoll with a black face, which is now no longer depicted. Dieter Simon 23:06, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is there any reason why redirects are generally put in capital letters? I mean, most redirects since I arrived here have been in the form "#REDIRECT foo" rather than "#redirect foo", and that being the prevailing way of doing things has led me to do it like that as well. But is there any practical reason for it, or was there ever? -- Camembert
How can I find a list of images that have been uploaded to Wikipedia but not included in any articles? RickK 01:01, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
There is a new school-wide program at the High School where I teach that allows me to assign outside reading to students. I am amassing a reading list of fiction and non-fiction books that relate to U.S. history. If you have any recommendations, if there are books you think *all* U.S. teens should read, please post them at my Reading List. Kingturtle 18:18, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I am putting the finshing touches on a site with links, photos, and reviews of Web Browsers for Windows. I am wanting to link the site from the main web browser article. Would this be a conflict of interest since I edit here? -- hoshie 06:31, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I have been trying out a form of formatting to make disciplinary markers stand out, expecially in text that covers more than one discipline. The problem is expecially notable in the natural sciences where an article may cover several disciplines, each with their own "take" on the subject. I have been doing editing in Botany on types of fruit, and almost every discussion has at least two (botanical and culinaty) points of view. I think this is great for learning, but it does require that I indicate where a definition or discussion is botanical and where it is culinary, since the two are frequently just plain at odds. I see similar "conflicts" throughout the natural sciences where there is always a "common" parlance and a scientific one. My suggestion can be seen on any of the Fruit pages where parts of the text are indicated as either BOTANY or CUISINE (for food or culinary information). This rendering is not obtrusive, and cautions the reader that more than one description may be present. Or the student of Botany (for example) can key in quickly on the botanical definition. Any comments (and I do not want to here how hard it is to format ~ it is not <tt> is in the Wikipedia style manual). - Marshman 00:45, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I remember seeing a detailed page on how to cite WP. But all I find now is Wikipedia:Readers'_FAQ#How_do_I_cite_a_Wikipedia_article_in_a_paper?. (Somebody asked at Talk:Interjection) -- Menchi 00:28, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be a parsing error on Wikipedia:Sites that use Wikipedia for content
the ===='s are not being parsed as wiki code on the last heading. It's not rendering the wiki-code. Anyone have a work around for this? { MB | マイカル } 19:31, Sep 5, 2003 (UTC)
The problem is that the text inside the heading has an additional = - however it seems like exchanging the = with %3d as its URL encoded version doesn't help, then the URL does not work anymore. andy 19:37, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi Guys!
How do i add an external link with a dollar sign in it? Here's an example URL:
http://www.aish.com/spirituality/growth/Path_of_the_Soul_2__How_Much_Space_Do_You_Take$.asp
Thanx
Dave
Hello. I am interrested in Latin America and want to create a new project for Latin America. There, I will put a list of articles to create, articles to expand, articles to translate (from Spanish, French mainly), a list of people who want to help, etc. What do you think about such a project? -- Youssefsan 14:46, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I am thinking of creating a user guide to help people around the Eurovision articles I am doing/improving. It would help people undertsnd what each section was about, I would probably use Wikipedia:Eurovision Song Contest user guide for the page. Do others think this is a good Idea? - fonzy
'Discovered' Wikipedia about 3 weeks ago, registered, studied, wrote a few articles. Built up a Watch List, but after week-long work-absence, find that it is now empty. Am I doing something wrong? I'm successfully logged in... Thanks! Ted Clayton
On a separate point in response to the exchange above, just who is this "Jason" guy?
I get this image of someone in a goalie mask gently tapping the computer with the obverse side of a lumberjacks axe.
Unless this "Jason" is just a convenient metaphor, why not take a bow?
-- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 07:19, Sep 10, 2003 (UTC)
http://it.wikipedia.com/ gives "The page you are looking for is currently unavailable." Where is the best place to report something like this? Thanks, Fantasy 14:19, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
User:David Martland has moved the codetalkers article to code talkers using copy-and-paste, leaving the edit history behind. What is the way to fix this? — Paul A 06:32, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. (Well, almost.) Ive made a little treatment of a pertinent issue to all Wikipedians everywhere (including the dead and not-yet-born) its at m:Academic standards kick. Please make any necessary corrections. - 戴眩sv 04:19, Sep 7, 2003 (UTC)
There are many lists of people in Wikipedia, and many more are coming. Most are useful, but many are just "rubbish". Of course, whether a list is useful could never be really NPOV, but we should have better ways to avoid any potential conflict.
Is it possible for us to generate such lists automatically? If it is possible, then (1)all our current lists are more complete as they includes every people mentioned in Wikipedia and (2)Whether a list is useful or not is none of anyone's business, for it is generated on the fly.
-- Wshun
I wanted to post a List of world champions who have boxed on HBO ( HBO Boxing) but I dont know if such a list would constitute advertisement to that show. What do you think?
Why not just put the list at HBO Boxing? I don't think it needs a separate article. The value of a "List of foos" article is that it pulls together many disparate elements when such a list has no appropriate home elsewhere. For example, Marketing contains both general information about marketing as well as an extensive list of marketing subtopics -- so there is no need for a List of marketing topics (in my opinion anyway). -- Cyan 06:20, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
On second thought, maybe not. There are more than 150 world champions who have fought at HBO!. -- Antonio Bestial One Martin
It's strange that photos of Penis are allowed but photos of Vulva have been removed, though both originate from the same site (alt.sex FAQ, http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altsex/ ) -- 210.214.131.161 18:47, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Can be created a new an.wikipedia.org (Aragonese)? This type of projects can make alive the endangered languages.
Someone's been putting floated DIVs in some history articles with a list of key events. Having a clear list of key points is good -- but the HTML bloat in the source required to produce the float is not worth it in my opinion (see my recent mailing list post on the matter). I've tried an alternative at Taisho period. What do people think? "In Detail" is a really yucky heading, so if anyone can think of better ... please do! -- Tarquin 15:35, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
If you know how to play sheepshead, and you have some spare time, please merge the content of the following pages into the main article and turn them all into redirects. (God knows *I* can't make heads or tails of it at this hour.)
Thanks, Cyan 05:17, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Now, if you go to it.wikipedia.com thaere is another page called ClubHouse. Llull
Any news about the old server? Andres 10:07, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Conversation getting too long. Summarised below and moved to m:Why Wikipedia runs slow. Please continue the discussion there. Angela
Further comments shoud be made at m:Why Wikipedia runs slow
This is probably an inane question, but I am afraid I have to ask it: How can you find an article with an apostrophe in its title? I have finished creating the article "Ramblers' Association", and unless people realise, and there are going to be some who don't realise, the title has an apostrophe, they aren't going to find it. "ramblers association" does not bring it up, neither does "ramblers" nor "rambler". The only time the apostrophed article comes up is if you type in the apo. Am I overlooking something? :) It is the correct title of the organisation. Can someone throw light on this? -- Dieter Simon 18:22, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
What's the policy regarding individual users blanking their own pages? Are users allowed to arbitrarily blank their own talk pages at their own liking? -- Jiang 17:33, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
I know that there is a page somewhere where all redirects are listed--its purpose, as I recall, is to have a way of preventing redirects from being orphaned once all links are re-aimed at the target site. I cannot find it or recall its name for the life of me, and I've just redirected Schoolteacher at Teacher. Jwrosenzweig 21:54, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Part two to my query is this--how can we make such a page easier to find? I've been around for a while, remember its existence, and still can't find it. How would a newcomer, aware of redirects from our FAQ, be made aware? Is there an easy central directory I know nothing about? Is the page's name easy to remember (I had assumed it was Wikipedia:List of redirects or some such thing)? Could we make some mention of the page I'm asking about on Wikipedia:Redirect or is there a good reason not to? Confused but still smiling, Jwrosenzweig
Moved to User_talk:217.35.96.217 and answered request by e-mail.
I think it would be beneficial to have a standard template for creating pages about Cities and other things. Does this concept exist in wiki? I mean when I create a page rather than looking for a page about a city and copying it and then replacing the info with info about the new city, it would be nice if on creation I could say "use City template" and it would insert all the text with fill in the blank information.
This would also make the pages feel consistant.
the default amount displayed in watchlists down to 1 hour? I can see that this might have been done for performance reasons, but it's very irritating, especially as it doesn't remember what alternative I opt for. This should surely be a user preference? GRAHAMUK 02:08, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
As a general question, are trivia items of interest? As a specific question, while some would dislike it, is the trivia item in the history of edits for George W. Bush interesting, useful to this project and appropriate for this project? (partisans, kindly note that I voted neither for nor against the gentelman - I'm not qualified to vote in US elections - it was of interest to me solely as a piece of trivia which some may find of interest).
This was getting far too long for the village pump. A summary is included below. Please add further comments to User talk:Rambot/Random page. Angela 00:06, Sep 12, 2003 (UTC)
Further comments to User talk:Rambot/Random page please.
Good job Angela, this shortened version is great. I love the old comments like "Put it on VfD. It's stupid." and "Ram-Man should make a robot to go and add his pages to the stub page." They didn't seem as funny before when they were wordy. LOL. dave 02:47, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
In testing the latest lastest Mozilla builds, I made a screenshot of Mozilla with a Esperanto Language Pack Installed. I was thinking how neat how the Esperanto team could make use of the screenshot. I would upload it to the Esperanto Wiki myself, but my knowledge of the language is nil (I am interested in learning it, though). If anyone at the Esperanto Wiki wants to use the screenshot, it's here:
http://hoshie.port5.com/esperantomoz.png
It's at the size I took. I have not altered the size.
hoshie 06:19, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Check Byte. Open the page up in an edit window. The page displays two unmatched right square brackets right after the title, but if you punch the "Edit this page" thingummy, there just isn't any reason why those two brackets should appear. Is this a bug, am I seeing some sort of ghost characters... What's going down? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 15:36, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
What about changing the text in the *wikipedia.com:
<<We're sorry, but the server on which this site once lived has failed. We are working on getting the machine back in place. Until then, please accept our heart-felt apologies for the inconvenience>>
for another that indicates the change (while is not possible to redirect). Now, I'm alone in the Catalan one :'( Llull 16:37, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is a pre-20th century painting in public domain?
Could someone inform a new user what is the rule about writers referring to themselves? In my piece on Dirk Hartog I said that I had seen Dirk Hartog's plate in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam last year. This was instantly removed. Is this not a fact that may be of some interest to someone? Who makes these decisions? Dr Adam Carr
Consider wikipedia:make omissions explicit - just add (to be written - biographical information). Martin 15:51, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Please revert the change I made to Wikipedia:Copyright issues. It's not where I intended it to go and I find that my browser is unable to load enough of the page to put it there. Alternatively, if feeling generous, please move the bulk to the bottom of the page or other more suitable location.
Ohhh, you wanted it moved... Ok, done. Dysprosia 10:09, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for the double assistance. JamesDay 10:29, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Once the full Wikipedia is downloaded, can smaller periodic updates covering new stuff and changes be obtained and used to synch the local? -- Ted Clayton 04:26, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Would it be easier to have incremental updates on something like a subscription basis? The server packages dailies or weeklies and shoots them out to everyone on the list? During off hours, mass-mail fashion?
Can you suggest sources or search-terms for table manipulations treatments, as background for stripping and compressing? -- Ted Clayton 03:14, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I think we should rename the village pump. It's meant to be like the office water cooler, right? Don't people talk about TV soaps and stuff round the water cooler, not office work? I've never worked in an office, so I wouldn't know. CGS 15:23, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC).
My wife has seen me reading the village pump and asked whether that means there is a village bicycle. -- Wapcaplet 17:41, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
As a relatively new Wikipedian, I have a suggestion for the old hands... be a bit gentle! To see what I mean have a look at [1].
Now, I'll stick around after such rudeness, but many will not. Hmmm?
Here's a further suggestion... wait at least 60 minutes before reverting or deleting new work unless it's really bad. Look at this history or this one for what I mean. The article in question is still a stub, and will remain one until I do a little more research. But it's a useful one IMO and will grow into a good article in time.
I'm not going to attempt to put Felsen back into the list of people a third time. If the article belongs in Wikipedia, then the name belongs in the list IMO. But some people make a special effort to fix such things and I expect they will find it eventually.
Does the article belong? IMO more than eight million book sales, hundreds of magazine articles and a place in a University archive are a good claim. In fact I think Wikipedia might be the best place to store and find such information.
If not, I guess it will go onto requests for deletion, and I'll have learned something, and no complaints.
Interested (as always) in other opinions and particularly in ways I can and should change my methods of operation to avoid this sort of thing. I know it ain't a perfect world. But I think we can and need to do better than this if we're to encourage new contributors. Andrewa 07:57, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa, firstly welcome to Wikipedia. I've looked at the history and I have to say, I can't see what you're making a fuss about. An 'article' that contains only an external link isn't really an article at all. Far better to put a least a couple of lines of text. Since you did eventually do that, i would say write a two line stub first,offline. Then create the article. Theresa knott 08:46, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa. I got trounced within (what seemed like) minutes of my first efforts when I joined this motley crew a month+ ago (my stub had a whole sentence and was my start for a great article since abandoned; things change). I've come to realize that it is MORE the unexpected shock that someone was actually watching my work and reacting quickly and negatively, and LESS the brutality of it. After a while, you will relax, get used to others walking all over your prose, and get into the swing. Comments of any kind without a smile seem more hurtful than they really are. - Marshman 09:28, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Looking back on what I wrote with regard to the Henry Gregor Felsen article, I came across too rude, and for that I'm sorry, and would like to apologize.
I would appreciate it, however, if Andrewa would realize the situation I was looking at. We do not need "articles" which consist of nothing but a link to an external site. I and most others usually delete these on sight; in this sense I think I was unusually lenient in letting it stay. When I found hardly anything about this person on the web, I suspected I was dealing with another "famous celebrity" along the lines of Daniel C. Boyer. When the author apparently didn't even know how this person's name was spelled, I suspected this article might be someone's idea of a joke.
We get scores of outright garbage "articles" here every day, and most of them look just like this one did when it started out. I see now that this one is legitimate, however it would help things immensely to get an article at least up to stub level before hitting "post". - Hephaestos 19:30, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Newly requesting deletion of User:BuddhaInside and User talk:BuddhaInside. - BuddhaInside
Requesting deletion of my User:BuddhaInside and User talk:BuddhaInside subpages. - BuddhaInside
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Now it won't post no matter how many times I try entering a change into the browser and hitting "Save Page", and I've lost a larger number of Jews that were added into that article, including Josh Server, David Frum, David Horowitz, Leo Ornstein and Robert Ornstein, Lev Davidovich Landau, Jakob Dylan, Evan & Jaron, Abraham Maslow and William Safire (I hope I remembered them all.) For the rest of the day, I'm going to be posting only from Internet Explorer. Wiwaxia 02:39, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
+H1$ W1KIP3DIA 1$ 4we$0ME. m4XiMUm R35pEct tO 3v3ry 0N3 1NVoLVeD. JasonIncarnate 15:18, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC).
This Wikipedia is awesome. Maximum respect to everyone involved. JasonIncarnate 15:18, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC) (translated from leet)
I hope I'm in the right place here but I wanted to inquire as to why exactly a page I created is marked for deletion. The page I am referring to is Richest Canadians
As I am new here I'm not entirely familiar with the rules. However, if the page must be deleted, I'll understand, but I don't really consider an annual event as 'rapid change'.
Some comments:
I think that's often good advice. If you revert a major change a couple of minutes after it's made, then consider if you're spending too much time reverting, and not enough time thinking. Also consider whether you might be hindering more than helping.
An excellent attitude to take: the long term view. Wikipedia is a work in progress, We don't need to have (indeed, couldn't have) every article perfect right now. Many Wikipedians could learn a lot from Andrewa's approach here.
We certainly shouldn't lose sight of the old in the focus on recent changes. Techniques for finding old articles that need editing include Special:Randompage, Special:Ancientpages (actually ancient changes), Wikipedia:Shortpages, wikipedia:duplicate articles, wikipedia:pages needing attention, wikipedia:find or fix a stub, wikipedia:NPOV dispute, etc. Even plain old surfing will get you to articles that need work soon enough.
Part of the answer is that if Haephaestos wants to spend his time inefficiently... well, it's his to waste - as long as it doesn't cause you to waste yours. A second part is that wiki-editing is really efficient in other ways, so a bit of wasted efficiency due to vandalism, or two folks at cross-purposes, isn't a major problem. The third part is that Haephaestos has read your feedback, and will no doubt act a little differently next time.
I think they probably have, which is why it's so important not to bite newcomers. Haephaestos is hardly the worst offender in this regard. Indeed, I was surprised by his initial approach on the Felsen page, as he's normally a model Wikipedian. Unfortunately, our copyeditors, like our authors, are generally human, so this kind of incident does crop up from time to time. :-( Martin 19:59, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Please do not bite the newcomers
As a relatively new Wikipedian, I have a suggestion for the old hands... be a bit gentle! To see what I mean have a look at [2].
Now, I'll stick around after such rudeness, but many will not. Hmmm?
Here's a further suggestion... wait at least 60 minutes before reverting or deleting new work unless it's really bad. Look at this history or this one for what I mean. The article in question is still a stub, and will remain one until I do a little more research. But it's a useful one IMO and will grow into a good article in time.
I'm not going to attempt to put Felsen back into the list of people a third time. If the article belongs in Wikipedia, then the name belongs in the list IMO. But some people make a special effort to fix such things and I expect they will find it eventually.
Does the article belong? IMO more than eight million book sales, hundreds of magazine articles and a place in a University archive are a good claim. In fact I think Wikipedia might be the best place to store and find such information.
If not, I guess it will go onto requests for deletion, and I'll have learned something, and no complaints.
Interested (as always) in other opinions and particularly in ways I can and should change my methods of operation to avoid this sort of thing. I know it ain't a perfect world. But I think we can and need to do better than this if we're to encourage new contributors. Andrewa 07:57, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa, firstly welcome to Wikipedia. I've looked at the history and I have to say, I can't see what you're making a fuss about. An 'article' that contains only an external link isn't really an article at all. Far better to put a least a couple of lines of text. Since you did eventually do that, i would say write a two line stub first,offline. Then create the article. Theresa knott 08:46, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa. I got trounced within (what seemed like) minutes of my first efforts when I joined this motley crew a month+ ago (my stub had a whole sentence and was my start for a great article since abandoned; things change). I've come to realize that it is MORE the unexpected shock that someone was actually watching my work and reacting quickly and negatively, and LESS the brutality of it. After a while, you will relax, get used to others walking all over your prose, and get into the swing. Comments of any kind without a smile seem more hurtful than they really are. - Marshman 09:28, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Looking back on what I wrote with regard to the Henry Gregor Felsen article, I came across too rude, and for that I'm sorry, and would like to apologize.
I would appreciate it, however, if Andrewa would realize the situation I was looking at. We do not need "articles" which consist of nothing but a link to an external site. I and most others usually delete these on sight; in this sense I think I was unusually lenient in letting it stay. When I found hardly anything about this person on the web, I suspected I was dealing with another "famous celebrity" along the lines of Daniel C. Boyer. When the author apparently didn't even know how this person's name was spelled, I suspected this article might be someone's idea of a joke.
We get scores of outright garbage "articles" here every day, and most of them look just like this one did when it started out. I see now that this one is legitimate, however it would help things immensely to get an article at least up to stub level before hitting "post". - Hephaestos 19:30, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Marketocracy--this article looks like an ad to me.
Folks, what's our policy on "telling tales" (I can't think of a better term) on our misguided schoolkid vandals? Just as an example, I was looking at (porn-link) vandalism done my someone at IP [ http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=205.174.111.220 205.174.111.220 ], which resolves to a Pennsylvanian school district, and already reverted by the dedicated User:Ahoerstemeier :). Do we have a policy of sending the net admin for such an address a (hopefully mild) nastygram, or do we just let it lie? If we do, can someone point me to the policy page, and if we don't - should we? (In the latter case, I'd gladly draft a gentle nastygram for communal approval).
Anyone know why Isis left exactly? For wikihistory.- 戴眩sv 05:30, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
Move to Wikipedia talk:Redirect or remove
Is there any reason why redirects are generally put in capital letters? I mean, most redirects since I arrived here have been in the form "#REDIRECT foo" rather than "#redirect foo", and that being the prevailing way of doing things has led me to do it like that as well. But is there any practical reason for it, or was there ever? -- Camembert
delete
I think we should rename the village pump. It's meant to be like the office water cooler, right? Don't people talk about TV soaps and stuff round the water cooler, not office work? I've never worked in an office, so I wouldn't know. CGS 15:23, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC).
My wife has seen me reading the village pump and asked whether that means there is a village bicycle. -- Wapcaplet 17:41, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I met a man the other day whose surname is Souliere, which suggests that perhaps an ancestor was a cobbler. "No", he said,"the word 'souliere' is not in the dictionary." - and he's right. So I went to google and entered "souliere" and came up with a genealogy site which led toQuebec.
Question:Is souliere a French-Canadian coinage, meaning cobbler? I bet that it is, but I couldn't find an appropriate dictionary.
ss: stonetps@AOL.com
Hi,
I normally like to use Mozilla Firebird, on my Microsoft Windows 98 operating system.
However, whenever I try to login to Wikipedia using Mozilla Firebird, I momentarily succeed and then have to re-login again. Essentially, I cannot conduct Wiki-business as an identified user.
So now I must use MS Explorer for the Wikipedia, even though I prefer Mozilla Firebird. Any solutions, ideas, suggestions?
Thanks, Guppy
thanks Brion, Finlay, and CGS...*sheepish grin* i had turned on the cookies, but did not delete the list of previously-banned cookie sites on my browser. *scratches head and looks around* ...can we delete this exchange now? - Guppy
Angela has asked that personal subpage deletion requests be posted here instead of in Wikipedia:Personal subpages to be deleted:
Translation: This Wikipedia is awesome. Maximum respect to everyone involved. JasonIncarnate 15:18, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC) (translated from leet)
move to Wikipedia talk:Database download
Once the full Wikipedia is downloaded, can smaller periodic updates covering new stuff and changes be obtained and used to synch the local? -- Ted Clayton 04:26, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Would it be easier to have incremental updates on something like a subscription basis? The server packages dailies or weeklies and shoots them out to everyone on the list? During off hours, mass-mail fashion?
Can you suggest sources or search-terms for table manipulations treatments, as background for stripping and compressing? -- Ted Clayton 03:14, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights Is a pre-20th century painting in public domain?
delete
Anyone know why Isis left exactly? For wikihistory.- 戴眩sv 05:30, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Make omissions explicit
Could someone inform a new user what is the rule about writers referring to themselves? In my piece on Dirk Hartog I said that I had seen Dirk Hartog's plate in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam last year. This was instantly removed. Is this not a fact that may be of some interest to someone? Who makes these decisions? Dr Adam Carr
Consider wikipedia:make omissions explicit - just add (to be written - biographical information). Martin 15:51, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Could someone please explain how the vast majority of souls can "only go to that reforming place" for a short while, while the reward of an afterlife with God is not guaranteed.
According to the Kabbalah, (not a universally-accepted work) G-d judges who has followed His commandments and who doesn't and to what extent. Those who do not "pass the test" go to a purifying place called Sheol lit. gloom (sometimes called Purgatory, sometimes called Hell) to "learn their lesson". There is , however, for the most part, no eternal damnation. The vast majority of souls can only go to that refoming place for a limited amount of time (less than one year).
The concept of "life after death" in the Jewish view is therefore fuzzy, but whatever its nature, is a reward from God, not a punishment, and is not guaranteed to everyone. Jews are encouraged to concentrate more on the life they live now than on a possible afterlife, and to ritually remember (yizkor) those loved ones who have died, as an important (and possibly the only) form of continuation for their lives.
I logged in to make some additions to the List of Jews today. I know I got on in my AOL browser instead of the "Internet Explorer" browser I usually use, but still . . . After I edited the page, I got this screen:
User is blocked From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Return to Main Page.
What does this mean?
Now it won't post no matter how many times I try entering a change into the browser and hitting "Save Page", and I've lost a larger number of Jews that were added into that article, including Josh Server, David Frum, David Horowitz, Leo Ornstein and Robert Ornstein, Lev Davidovich Landau, Jakob Dylan, Evan & Jaron, Abraham Maslow and William Safire (I hope I remembered them all.) For the rest of the day, I'm going to be posting only from Internet Explorer. Wiwaxia 02:39, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
"There is no automated purging of the list of blocked IPs". There will be soon. I've just put my enhanced blocking code into the "stable" version of our software, so it's now ready to go live. It'll probably be up within a couple of days.
This has been previously discussed on wikitech-l and wikien-l. -- Tim Starling 14:39, Sep 15, 2003 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump/September 2003 archive 1
What is Wikipedia style for personal pronouns used for countries? For instance on the French Fifth Republic page, the feminine pronouns are used (presumably because la France is feminine in French) but in United States, the neuter pronouns are used. I don't have a stylebook on me now, but I believe AP style says neuter. If we don't already have a style it seems that that's what it should be. Basil Fawlty 16:00, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Where can I find information about fair use for images on wikipedia ? Anthère
Whatever happened to the 9/11 wiki? I thought it had been set up and the tribute articles moved there, but then I found Lorraine G. Bay on the Ancient Pages list. Why are these articles still here? Tuf-Kat 21:02, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
delete when fixed
What about changing the text in the *wikipedia.com:
<<We're sorry, but the server on which this site once lived has failed. We are working on getting the machine back in place. Until then, please accept our heart-felt apologies for the inconvenience>>
for another that indicates the change (while is not possible to redirect). Now, I'm alone in the Catalan one :'( Llull 16:37, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:image use policy/copyright Is a pre-20th century painting in public domain?
Isn't copyright life+70 years now? [7] -- Nelson 01:31, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
do people think the table of contents [showhide] thing should be displayed when looking at a printable version of something?
On paper, it's pretty easy just to scan an article for the headings you want without needing a toc. Tristanb 10:01, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is it me or is the page for Louis XIV a bit... er... let's say sketchy and a bit shoddily written? Anybody feels like making up something better (maybe copying an Old Encyclopedia)? :-) David.Monniaux 23:03, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to wikipedia:dealing with vandalism
Folks, what's our policy on "telling tales" (I can't think of a better term) on our misguided schoolkid vandals? Just as an example, I was looking at (porn-link) vandalism done my someone at IP [ http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=205.174.111.220 205.174.111.220 ], which resolves to a Pennsylvanian school district, and already reverted by the dedicated User:Ahoerstemeier :). Do we have a policy of sending the net admin for such an address a (hopefully mild) nastygram, or do we just let it lie? If we do, can someone point me to the policy page, and if we don't - should we? (In the latter case, I'd gladly draft a gentle nastygram for communal approval). Finlay McWalter 21:33, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
It has been to some extent, a practice of some builders of the Wikipedia that articles should appear magically, out of thin air, as works which are somewhat complete. See stubs for the comment that "A stub on Wikipedia is a very short article, generally of one paragraph or less. Most Wikipedians hate stubs, which is undeserved". This practice is harmful in part for the following reasons:
Prompted by the delete mentioned in User_talk:JamesDay, which seems to have deleted something which was of use - though for reasons the people doing the deleting probably weren't aware of. Hence this post. Please consider changing a page to a valid stub or listing it for deletion if you don't trust that someone who says they have created a page for a purpose will complete the stated purpose and produce a viable page within seven days. Otherwise you're getting in the way of building articles, not helping by cleaning up permanently blank things.
I don't much like building in talk but it's the best cooperative building place short of the main article... unless someone has a better idea for a location than the user pages of multiple contributors, which will also keep the page evolution with the page which is being built? JamesDay 03:05, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I support allowing people to create their stubs from scratch. I'd suggest a simple modificiation of deletion policy to add "don't delete pages (or list them on VfD) that are younger than an hour, except for vandalism". Martin 08:34, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This is kind of a bunch of nonsense. There is a clear line between what is a stub, what is vandalism, etc. Clearly no stub should just contain a line that says this is a stub. It can have nothing in the body except langalinks for all I care. <rant> But to suggest--as Chadloder did on my talk, that seeding an article with a sentence or a paragraph is somehow a crime to be punished is a complete load of crap. The problem again is related to the m:academic standards kick -- a variant, actually -- the m:anal perfectionism trip, which is essentially a call for increased quality of articles from people who themselves cant write such articles. We do what we can-- a stub if its interesting can become an article quickly-- others will remain stubs for a hundred and twenty seven years, simply because noone has been interested enough to finish it. Remember children -- the problem with stubs isnt that they exist-- its that the gripey people who happen to look at them dont know what to add to them, or are too lazy to research it. 戴眩sv 08:50, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC) </rant>
Regarding forgetting to come back to articles: the way I found this 8 hour old article was by looking through Special:Newpages. 50 entries on Special:Newpages takes you back about 2-4 hours. I often look back over the last 200 or so new articles. Personally I find weeding is much more productive in that area -- there's still plenty of wikification, stub warnings, VFD listings, etc. to do, but you don't have to put up with the constant edit conflicts you get when you edit in the top ~30 entries of RC. -- Tim Starling 01:53, Sep 18, 2003 (UTC)
Is it fair to write that the primary reason for wanting to delete in hours rather than weeks is the technical issue of how to find the pages if the creator doesn't have good intent? Any other reasons or is this just that technical one causing people to assume ill intent because of the overhead of waiting to find out if it was? Given the technical issues, I don't see a lot of point in one hour rather than ten minutes - one hour won't gain much for a deliberate work in progress.
Any comments on changing the delete guidance to include this as a possible course of action:
'If an article is short or empty, consider forming an opinion on whether the creator is intending to expand the work within a few days or a week. If yes, consider making the insufficient article a stub and possibly listing in VfD. If there is an explicit statement that the creator has deliberately created it as a work in progress, that strongly suggests interrupted or cooperative work, so good intent and a stub without VfD is preferred.'
What changes, if any, to Wikipedia:Blankpages and Wikipedia:Short articles would be needed to make this a non-issue and assume goodwill in all cases? JamesDay 09:03, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
If you're forever telling people to clear their cache to see if problems they report actually exist, you can now tell them to Wikipedia:Clear your cache. CGS 22:31, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC).
Whatever happened to the image of Frederick Jackson Turner which I uploaded months ago? It's just not there, but the file still exists -- without an upload date though. I tried to upload the same (I think) picture again some minutes ago, but still no result. Who can help? -- KF 22:13, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Are others experiencing extremely long response time? I've been sitting on three other pages waiting for over 5 minutes for them to return to Recent Changes. I have also gotten "Page cannot be found" several times tonight. RickK 03:10, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump/September 2003 archive 1
I have found some nodes on Everything2 that I'd like to (partially) copy to a WP article. Is this permissible by copyright? (I didn't write the E2 content.) What attribution would I need to use? -- bdesham 02:12, Sep 15, 2003 (UTC)
This may be a stupid question but; when Google and sites like Onelook update themselves regarding to wikipedia content, does it have an significant effect on the server performance and response time? -- Skysmith 11:52, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I would like a second opinion on what counts as 'advertising.' I added external links in relevant places ('Babel', 'Tower of Babel', 'Languages' etc.) to my non-commercial website (towerofbabel.com) which is actually another multilingual project similar to Wikipedia named Babel (and if you are familiar with the myth of the tower of Babel you would understand its relevance, because the entire je nais se quoi is based on the paradigm of the myth.) I fail to see how these links would be construed as 'irrelevant' or as 'advertising.' I assume the person who deleted my external links didn't even bother to look at the site.
In the Catalan Wikipedia we have more than 60 wrong pages that we want to delete but nobody can do it. Where I have to request the permition? Llull 18:26, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)
In the page on "association", I see something about associations being some "nominate" contract in "the civil law system".
It's a bit misleading to talk of "THE" civil law system. There are dozens of civil law systems, and I suspect that their laws on corporations vary greatly.
I think one should be very prudent before stating general facts. If you are sure that what you say applies in a certain country, say it; but avoid drawing broad generalities.
It's especially easy to say untruths on questions of law if one bases oneself on reports in the press. Journalists are often thoroughly incompetent in the law of their own country, let's not even talk of the laws of other countries.
The IP block feature seems to be malfunctioning, I'v been trying to block an IP adress but it just says "No user of this name exists" whenever I try to submit it G-Man 20:59, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I've just found the entire text of a small Wikipedia article I wrote replicated on another site http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Pali-Text-Society plagiarists. While I'm not concerned about my own copyright, I wonder what the attitude to this sort of blatant plagiarism is? I emailled them and told them they should at least acknowledge that they got the text from Wikipedia. Mahaabaala 10:07, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
When I looked into the "Newly created pages" a few minutes ago, I found this entry:
04:20, 24 Sep 2003 Perspective (12089 bytes) . . 142.177.92.68 (needs headings)
Looking into perspective, it indeed seems that the page history goes no further back than two edits, which seems plain impossible, given the rather developed state of the article, the number of links to it etc. Is this a known problem? Kosebamse 08:56, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I was moving My Travel/Premiair to My Travel and got this error message:
-- Cyan 21:26, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I've decided to tackle a requested article: List of asteroids in our Solar System. Currently I've only put ten asteroids into the article, to see how it looks. As this is a massive article which will take much time over the next few months (it's a little tedious...can't say I'll be slaving at it hours at a time), I want to make sure people like what I've got up. If someone has a simple suggestion, I'm happy to take it. If you've got a complex suggestion....hey, I'd be happy if someone helped me with this. :) Anyway, look at the article if you have the chance, and please drop a note on its talk page or mine to tell me how it looks. I appreciate it! Jwrosenzweig 23:09, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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delete - presumed caching issue - see also wikipedia:bug reports
Help! At Shearwater, I've put in a link to Cory's Shearwater, which is written. The link stays red, but clicking on it goes to the edit page of the new article, not the article itself or a blank page. I'm sure it's something to do with the apostrophes, but I can't sort it out. jimfbleak 06:38, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
deleted - presumed caching issue - see also wikipedia:bug reports
bug - delete when fixed
It seems the automatic date conversion is not working anymore. The preference option has disappeared. What's going on? -- Wik 06:25, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to talk:list of Canadians
Hi there! I have problems about famous Canadians or notable British Columbians. Who counts as a Canadian? I have added Leslie Cheung in the list of Canadians, but I am not quite comfortable with it. Leslie Cheung had lived in BC for just three years and then returned to Hong Kong after getting a passport, and he is not a rare example. Did I do the right thing? Or should this kind of "non-Canadian" Canadian be removed from the lists? Wshun
I can not find the discussion about signing articles (this is almost wikipedia prehistory). Can somebody point it out to me? or was it discussed in the mailing list? thanks -- AstroNomer 19:37, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
No, it's not what I meant. When wikipedia was young, there was every now and then somebody that wanted to put "author:Such and Such" at the end of the article itself. That was strongly discuraged, and signatures removed almost immediately, but I don't remember if there was and encyclica by pope Larry I, or a discussion in the list about that. If it is in wikipedia, must be buried in some long forgotten page. I was just hoping that somebody would remember.-- AstroNomer 21:26, Sep 3, 2003 (UTC)
moved to wikipedia talk:disambiguation
Moved to Wikipedia talk:How to rename (move) a page
"Miwiki the ant" is an artwork of french workgroup to design a Wikipedia mascot and submit a logo with it (n°132).
m:International logos (126-150)
But, like Anthere (logo n°17) or Paullus (n°4), you can use Miwiki the ant mascot to make a variant of your logo.
Just take picture on this pages :
m:User:Oliezekat/Miwiki logo 5
FrWikipedia:Utilisateur:Oliezekat/Miwiki (in french with several colors)
Or contact me to design myself special picture for your logo variant : Oliezekat
request added to Wikipedia:Requested pictures
Is there a problem with the Redirect in the Systems of zoological classification article? When I use the 'Diff' function on the page history, its shows that a "redirect" was added to Scientific classification. Great. But it doesn't seem to be working. Each time I click on the article I see the previous version; the one without the redirect, showing the full text. What is going on? RK 22:25, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Please weigh in with your opinions (City, Province vs. City) at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)/Spain. - Montréalais 03:12, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Hello, I have entered the original entry for ITOCHU but I forgot to login, would it be possible to change to original entry from '134.32.130.113' to 'jburati' so I can keep track of my contributions?
Jburati
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=134.32.130.113
Please edit User talk:Tim Starling using that IP address or a similar one, without logging in, to confirm that you are actually the same person. Was the Julius Hoffman edit you as well? -- Tim Starling 07:55, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm redirecting the Alphonsos and Alfonsos to Afonso – the proper Portuguese spelling. Because: This Wikipedia is in English - Alfonso is Spanish and Alphonso old Spanish - Since neither is in English, the correct spelling is preferred because Portuguese is as good as language as Spanish - The Spanish kings are left as Alfonso - In this way, I think, everything is covered
Any objection, please mention it in my talk page. Cheers
Muriel Gottrop 08:47, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Can a sysop unprotect the page Wikipedia:Most wanted articles please. There is a formatting problem with it, which causes the html to show up, and I need to remove a page that I have started. Thanks. -- Lypheklub 03:41, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Moved to wikipedia:graphics tutorials
Moved to Talk:Death of a Salesman.
moved to wikipedia talk:establish context
deleted - answered at wikipedia:searching
deleted - feature request - see wikipedia:bug reports
It's Rose O'Neal Greenhow. See Wikipedia:Searching
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights
moved to wikipedia talk:bug reports
deleted - current status is at Wikipedia:Sites_that_use_Wikipedia_for_content
moved to wikipedia talk:copyrights and repeated in part on the Simple Wikipedia
First time here so not sure how things work but I noticed a couple of things that might need attention. Paine started his career in Excise at Grantham, true, but he was promoted and went to Alford, Lincolnshire which I think came under the Horncastle office. He operated in the Alford Outride from the Windmill Hotel. It was from here that he was dismissed, not Grantham as stated. He was sacked in August 1765. On Radio4 bbc today there was a piece on the Headstrong Club which still meets at the Royal Oak, Lewes as in Paine's day. The piece on Lewes states the White Hart. I think you may be right and the BBC wrong, but i cannot verify it at the moment.
Stephen Kirby Louth Lincs bob.cat@context.go-plus.net
when put into a link with the text "The British Museum's objects from the Temple of Artemis at Ephesos" yields:
The British Museum's objects from the Temple of Artemis at Ephesos
instead of the link. Is there a way around this apparent limitation on the length of an http address that can be included?
move to wikipedia talk:village pump
Can people please remember to update the list of moved discussions when they move a discussion off the page? It's hard work keeping the list up to date retrospectively. — Paul A 04:18, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
moved to wikipedia talk:redirect/delete
delete when read - further discussion to wikipedia talk:Replies to common objections
I just created an account and found myself able to edit pages. With this ability for new users, how do we know that the information after edition is correct? I have this concern that valuable information could be deleted or altered intentionally or accidentally. Does Wikipedia have some sort of check in place?
move to user talk:Rambot
Just recently someone created a new article about Farmington, Maine, and when I wondered why the county seat does not even have the automated entry yet I discovered there are in fact two, but both orphans. But what is the difference between Farmington (CDP), Maine and Farmington (town), Maine - I can see the numbers are different, but I don't know the meaning of CDP. And there are many more of the CDP/Town entries, which are not linked in the county articles. andy 09:32, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Image use policy/copyright
This is probably a stupid question, but does it violate copyright to upload images from television shows if I capture them? - Evil saltine 08:34, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to wikipedia talk:statistics
According to a recent Wikipedia:Announcement Wikipedia is as popular as Slashdot. I was quite surprised! Is it really true? Anyone know how Alexa measures popularity? I see they offer a toolbar to download... do they extrapolate data from toolbar downloaders? Are Wikipedians more likely to have a toolbar than other users? Alexa Website Pete 12:05, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Yay. 8 articles in the top 50 new articles created. =-) Really tired now though. :-( -- Alex.tan 13:03, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I recently saw a detailed article on Lt Gen Bazilio by a Col Joseph Ntare on your page, could you please kindly forward me this article.
James Tawny pill20001@yahoo.co.uk
Pete, I dont know the Lt General, the article was writien by my father using my computer, since it is of no use to you, I have checked your archives but could not find it.Could you please tell me what number it is under or could you simply forward it to me. I would also like to apologise on behalf of my Dad since the aarticle is of no use, accept my sincere apologise.
James
Pill20001@yahoo.co.uk
When I began studying the Wikipedia almost a month ago, I noticed immediately that pages were usually slow to respond, and not infrequently failed to respond. Using the 'pedia has continued to be difficult: I often give up. Creating and editing articles proved to be a challenge, too: though I can - sort of - prepare materials outside the Wikipedia environment, there is usually considerable cross-work that can only be done within the database ... which again poses an access/usability problem.
Over the past month, conditions seem to be gradually deteriorating. Yesterday, the Wikipedia crashed and no editing could be done. There was a brief announcement, that a problem had occurred with an upgrade. However, the problem appears broader than that. There is, for example, the case of numerous dynamic pages that are now served from a cache: formerly, they were valued tools, but now slow the encyclopedia excessively.
The issue is such that I have spent several lengthy sessions (slowly) searching for dicussions on Wikipedia that might shed some light on the matter, without success. Is there such a discussion, and/or might we have a detailed description of the status of the Wikipedia infrastructure, what the source(s) of difficulty are, and what is anticipated to be the situation/solution going forward? -- Ted Clayton
Yes, the situation is so bad it's surprising editing and other work continues at all: I have actually checked Recent Changes just to see if other people are still able to do anything. How do the established Wikipedians get things done, manage the place? -- Ted Clayton 20:50, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So, it's an acquired skill-set? I have noticed an increasing tolerance for punishment. ;) Interlanguage - hmm. -- Ted Clayton 21:20, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Alternative activities and projects are constructive - good suggestions!, but a direct request for a discussion of important technical matters remains unmet. Is it improper to raise - or respond to - the accessibility issues? Is the difficulty wrapped in a difficulty? -- Ted Clayton 04:16, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to wikipedia:lag
When I began studying the Wikipedia almost a month ago, I noticed immediately that pages were usually slow to respond, and not infrequently failed to respond. Using the 'pedia has continued to be difficult: I often give up. Creating and editing articles proved to be a challenge, too: though I can - sort of - prepare materials outside the Wikipedia environment, there is usually considerable cross-work that can only be done within the database ... which again poses an access/usability problem.
Over the past month, conditions seem to be gradually deteriorating. Yesterday, the Wikipedia crashed and no editing could be done. There was a brief announcement, that a problem had occurred with an upgrade. However, the problem appears broader than that. There is, for example, the case of numerous dynamic pages that are now served from a cache: formerly, they were valued tools, but now slow the encyclopedia excessively.
The issue is such that I have spent several lengthy sessions (slowly) searching for dicussions on Wikipedia that might shed some light on the matter, without success. Is there such a discussion, and/or might we have a detailed description of the status of the Wikipedia infrastructure, what the source(s) of difficulty are, and what is anticipated to be the situation/solution going forward? -- Ted Clayton
Yes, the situation is so bad it's surprising editing and other work continues at all: I have actually checked Recent Changes just to see if other people are still able to do anything. How do the established Wikipedians get things done, manage the place? -- Ted Clayton 20:50, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So, it's an acquired skill-set? I have noticed an increasing tolerance for punishment. ;) Interlanguage - hmm. -- Ted Clayton 21:20, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Alternative activities and projects are constructive - good suggestions!, but a direct request for a discussion of important technical matters remains unmet. Is it improper to raise - or respond to - the accessibility issues? Is the difficulty wrapped in a difficulty? -- Ted Clayton 04:16, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The Village Pump introduces itself as the place to "...raise and try to answer Wikipedia-related questions and concerns regarding technical issues, policies, and operation in our community." (my emphasis) I have raised prominent and systemic technical issues that affect visitors, lay editors and advanced wikipedians alike. There are clear policy and operational considerations connected to these issues. All of these matters - the questions, the concerns, the policies, and the operations are all explicitly identified as the proper, and sole, purpose & content of the Village Pump.
The additional pages that you reference contain important information that helps me a lot. Searching had not uncovered these: thanks! There are links in those pages going to others, and others yet.. I'll explore, dig into the archives, sign up for WikiTech newsletters, and study.
The Village Pump is where these matters should be taken up, firstly. Specialize pages and mailing lists are vital, too, but the broad aspects of the Wikipedia accessibility issues belong in front of the general community of visitors, users, and editors. Perhaps the results of this discussion should be gathered into/under a page (with links to tech pages?) that remains readily & easily available, that rapidly brings newcomers and interested visitors up to speed or directs them as their interests lead.
Hmm .. I see this thread is now slated to be removed from the Village Pump to a place called Lag, wikipedia:lag. That takes it out of public view, before any actual discussion has even occurred. If the increasingly voluminous preliminaries to discussion need to be pared, let's do that and leave the thread here, with a link to Lag. -- Ted Clayton 15:02, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Tarquin! I'll scan those. -- Ted Clayton 21:05, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I would be the chief suspect. ;) An actual discussion of the matters should be taking place (it hasn't, yet), in a readily accessible, familiar location, and an appropriate place for the link selected, so that it remains in evidence to all comers. But yes, I'll do the work.
A link to such a place would be retired/archived when the issues become history.
I am only now becoming familiar with the existence of Meta, after a month. Village Pump is the prominently advertised & self-identified location for public matters. This appears to me to be the forum attended by the affected audience.
I do see that this discussion about a possible discussion is getting long, and we need to keep Village Pump usable. But Lag is mostly the record of a problem from a year ago, and it's functionally invisible.
If we move this stuff somewhere, but keep a header, intro and link here, that would be fine: can that work? And make new entries as old ones get large and should be moved? I do in principle like the generality/internationality implied by Meta. Do you think a compendium page such as we mentioned above should be in Meta? -- Ted Clayton 16:55, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
My pleasure! Do I recall that you must perform the move, Angela? A link in the list beneath the Village Pump introductory paragraph?:
I used to use the Random Page button as a good way of finding an interesting article that I never knew about before. Recently I've been finding that about 50% of the time I get one of those pages about a tiny US town; you know the ones, all identically formatted and giving the same statistics. These pages should be on Wikipedia, but is there a way of getting them removed from the random page generator? Presumably there must be about 75,000 if them if I'm getting them this often. DJ Clayworth 15:26, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Perhaps we should exclude links that are shown in purple (it's an option for showing stub articles) from the random queue. CGS 22:23, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC).
to be moved to Meta
When I began studying the Wikipedia almost a month ago, I noticed immediately that pages were usually slow to respond, and not infrequently failed to respond. Using the 'pedia has continued to be difficult: I often give up. Creating and editing articles proved to be a challenge, too: though I can - sort of - prepare materials outside the Wikipedia environment, there is usually considerable cross-work that can only be done within the database ... which again poses an access/usability problem.
Over the past month, conditions seem to be gradually deteriorating. Yesterday, the Wikipedia crashed and no editing could be done. There was a brief announcement, that a problem had occurred with an upgrade. However, the problem appears broader than that. There is, for example, the case of numerous dynamic pages that are now served from a cache: formerly, they were valued tools, but now slow the encyclopedia excessively.
The issue is such that I have spent several lengthy sessions (slowly) searching for dicussions on Wikipedia that might shed some light on the matter, without success. Is there such a discussion, and/or might we have a detailed description of the status of the Wikipedia infrastructure, what the source(s) of difficulty are, and what is anticipated to be the situation/solution going forward? -- Ted Clayton
Yes, the situation is so bad it's surprising editing and other work continues at all: I have actually checked Recent Changes just to see if other people are still able to do anything. How do the established Wikipedians get things done, manage the place? -- Ted Clayton 20:50, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
So, it's an acquired skill-set? I have noticed an increasing tolerance for punishment. ;) Interlanguage - hmm. -- Ted Clayton 21:20, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Alternative activities and projects are constructive - good suggestions!, but a direct request for a discussion of important technical matters remains unmet. Is it improper to raise - or respond to - the accessibility issues? Is the difficulty wrapped in a difficulty? -- Ted Clayton 04:16, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The Village Pump introduces itself as the place to "...raise and try to answer Wikipedia-related questions and concerns regarding technical issues, policies, and operation in our community." (my emphasis) I have raised prominent and systemic technical issues that affect visitors, lay editors and advanced wikipedians alike. There are clear policy and operational considerations connected to these issues. All of these matters - the questions, the concerns, the policies, and the operations are all explicitly identified as the proper, and sole, purpose & content of the Village Pump.
The additional pages that you reference contain important information that helps me a lot. Searching had not uncovered these: thanks! There are links in those pages going to others, and others yet.. I'll explore, dig into the archives, sign up for WikiTech newsletters, and study.
The Village Pump is where these matters should be taken up, firstly. Specialize pages and mailing lists are vital, too, but the broad aspects of the Wikipedia accessibility issues belong in front of the general community of visitors, users, and editors. Perhaps the results of this discussion should be gathered into/under a page (with links to tech pages?) that remains readily & easily available, that rapidly brings newcomers and interested visitors up to speed or directs them as their interests lead.
Hmm .. I see this thread is now slated to be removed from the Village Pump to a place called Lag, wikipedia:lag. That takes it out of public view, before any actual discussion has even occurred. If the increasingly voluminous preliminaries to discussion need to be pared, let's do that and leave the thread here, with a link to Lag. -- Ted Clayton 15:02, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Tarquin! I'll scan those. -- Ted Clayton 21:05, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I would be the chief suspect. ;) An actual discussion of the matters should be taking place (it hasn't, yet), in a readily accessible, familiar location, and an appropriate place for the link selected, so that it remains in evidence to all comers. But yes, I'll do the work.
A link to such a place would be retired/archived when the issues become history.
I am only now becoming familiar with the existence of Meta, after a month. Village Pump is the prominently advertised & self-identified location for public matters. This appears to me to be the forum attended by the affected audience.
I do see that this discussion about a possible discussion is getting long, and we need to keep Village Pump usable. But Lag is mostly the record of a problem from a year ago, and it's functionally invisible.
If we move this stuff somewhere, but keep a header, intro and link here, that would be fine: can that work? And make new entries as old ones get large and should be moved? I do in principle like the generality/internationality implied by Meta. Do you think a compendium page such as we mentioned above should be in Meta? -- Ted Clayton 16:55, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
My pleasure! Do I recall that you must perform the move, Angela? A link in the list beneath the Village Pump introductory paragraph?:
I'm wondering what people would think about adding Google Ads to Wikipedia. It would help support Wikipedia and I find them relatively unobtrusive and sometimes useful. An option could be included to turn them off or, even to have them off by default. I wonder how Wikipedia is currently funded. Is there a better place to post this? Ezra Wax
Would like the reason and history of the numerous Rock Walls east of Azraq ?
Who was the Hiden in Wadi Hiden?
Requested by awheiden@aol.com
Is there any basis to support a theory that hormones in sperm may effect muscle tone in the female??
1). What is the reason and history of the numeros Rock Walls east of Azraq?
2). Who was the Hiden in Wadi Hiden?
requested by: awheiden@aol.com
Is there a page where case sensitivity is being debated actively? It drives me nuts, in the age of Google, where nobody is accustomed to case sensitivity except for C programmers and Unix hackers, and I'd like to read any reasonable argument for retaining case sensitivity. tempshill
This is an encyclopædia. It has to use precise an accurate terminology. In many many cases using upper or lower case is crucial. proportional representation means either the electoral system called PR or a general system of election based on proportionality. Proportional Representation is the proper name of the electoral system and nothing else. government of France means the generic governance of France, Government of France means the formal constitutional system or the actual current government ruling in France. republic of Ireland means Ireland is a republic, Republic of Ireland is the formal name of the RofI, not merely a system of governance. king is different to King, kingdom means something different to Kingdom, president of the United States something different to President of the United States; Washington wasn't the first of the former, but was the first of the latter, ie, people called 'presidents' existed after independence, but they weren't head of state and never President of the United States. President of the United States means a specific, narrow and singular constitutional office. No encyclopædia would contemplate abandoning case sensitivity, as it denotes the difference between the specific and the general, the proper noun and the generic term. That is particularly the case in British English, Hiberno-English and other non-American forms, all of which pay far more heed to the use of capitalisation than seems fashionable in American English. And, as so often needs to be said, wiki is not an American encyclopædia, it is a world one. FearÉIREANN 20:06, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Could a sysop move Web log to Weblog? See Talk:Web log for the discussion. -- seav 11:04, Sep 6, 2003 (UTC)
Has anyone out there heard of the term "wog" deriving from a shortening of the phrase "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" I have read the entry in Wikipedia, but it doesn't mention the phrase above. can anyone help ?
Beverley. 11/09/03
It is very much discouraged these days to use that expression in Britain, Beverley, and quite rightly too. It really belongs into a dictionary rather than an encyclopedia, and then only with the caveat slang and derogatory. According to most dictionaries it is derived from golliwog, a little ragdoll with a black face, which is now no longer depicted. Dieter Simon 23:06, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is there any reason why redirects are generally put in capital letters? I mean, most redirects since I arrived here have been in the form "#REDIRECT foo" rather than "#redirect foo", and that being the prevailing way of doing things has led me to do it like that as well. But is there any practical reason for it, or was there ever? -- Camembert
How can I find a list of images that have been uploaded to Wikipedia but not included in any articles? RickK 01:01, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
There is a new school-wide program at the High School where I teach that allows me to assign outside reading to students. I am amassing a reading list of fiction and non-fiction books that relate to U.S. history. If you have any recommendations, if there are books you think *all* U.S. teens should read, please post them at my Reading List. Kingturtle 18:18, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I am putting the finshing touches on a site with links, photos, and reviews of Web Browsers for Windows. I am wanting to link the site from the main web browser article. Would this be a conflict of interest since I edit here? -- hoshie 06:31, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I have been trying out a form of formatting to make disciplinary markers stand out, expecially in text that covers more than one discipline. The problem is expecially notable in the natural sciences where an article may cover several disciplines, each with their own "take" on the subject. I have been doing editing in Botany on types of fruit, and almost every discussion has at least two (botanical and culinaty) points of view. I think this is great for learning, but it does require that I indicate where a definition or discussion is botanical and where it is culinary, since the two are frequently just plain at odds. I see similar "conflicts" throughout the natural sciences where there is always a "common" parlance and a scientific one. My suggestion can be seen on any of the Fruit pages where parts of the text are indicated as either BOTANY or CUISINE (for food or culinary information). This rendering is not obtrusive, and cautions the reader that more than one description may be present. Or the student of Botany (for example) can key in quickly on the botanical definition. Any comments (and I do not want to here how hard it is to format ~ it is not <tt> is in the Wikipedia style manual). - Marshman 00:45, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I remember seeing a detailed page on how to cite WP. But all I find now is Wikipedia:Readers'_FAQ#How_do_I_cite_a_Wikipedia_article_in_a_paper?. (Somebody asked at Talk:Interjection) -- Menchi 00:28, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be a parsing error on Wikipedia:Sites that use Wikipedia for content
the ===='s are not being parsed as wiki code on the last heading. It's not rendering the wiki-code. Anyone have a work around for this? { MB | マイカル } 19:31, Sep 5, 2003 (UTC)
The problem is that the text inside the heading has an additional = - however it seems like exchanging the = with %3d as its URL encoded version doesn't help, then the URL does not work anymore. andy 19:37, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi Guys!
How do i add an external link with a dollar sign in it? Here's an example URL:
http://www.aish.com/spirituality/growth/Path_of_the_Soul_2__How_Much_Space_Do_You_Take$.asp
Thanx
Dave
Hello. I am interrested in Latin America and want to create a new project for Latin America. There, I will put a list of articles to create, articles to expand, articles to translate (from Spanish, French mainly), a list of people who want to help, etc. What do you think about such a project? -- Youssefsan 14:46, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I am thinking of creating a user guide to help people around the Eurovision articles I am doing/improving. It would help people undertsnd what each section was about, I would probably use Wikipedia:Eurovision Song Contest user guide for the page. Do others think this is a good Idea? - fonzy
'Discovered' Wikipedia about 3 weeks ago, registered, studied, wrote a few articles. Built up a Watch List, but after week-long work-absence, find that it is now empty. Am I doing something wrong? I'm successfully logged in... Thanks! Ted Clayton
On a separate point in response to the exchange above, just who is this "Jason" guy?
I get this image of someone in a goalie mask gently tapping the computer with the obverse side of a lumberjacks axe.
Unless this "Jason" is just a convenient metaphor, why not take a bow?
-- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 07:19, Sep 10, 2003 (UTC)
http://it.wikipedia.com/ gives "The page you are looking for is currently unavailable." Where is the best place to report something like this? Thanks, Fantasy 14:19, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
User:David Martland has moved the codetalkers article to code talkers using copy-and-paste, leaving the edit history behind. What is the way to fix this? — Paul A 06:32, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. (Well, almost.) Ive made a little treatment of a pertinent issue to all Wikipedians everywhere (including the dead and not-yet-born) its at m:Academic standards kick. Please make any necessary corrections. - 戴眩sv 04:19, Sep 7, 2003 (UTC)
There are many lists of people in Wikipedia, and many more are coming. Most are useful, but many are just "rubbish". Of course, whether a list is useful could never be really NPOV, but we should have better ways to avoid any potential conflict.
Is it possible for us to generate such lists automatically? If it is possible, then (1)all our current lists are more complete as they includes every people mentioned in Wikipedia and (2)Whether a list is useful or not is none of anyone's business, for it is generated on the fly.
-- Wshun
I wanted to post a List of world champions who have boxed on HBO ( HBO Boxing) but I dont know if such a list would constitute advertisement to that show. What do you think?
Why not just put the list at HBO Boxing? I don't think it needs a separate article. The value of a "List of foos" article is that it pulls together many disparate elements when such a list has no appropriate home elsewhere. For example, Marketing contains both general information about marketing as well as an extensive list of marketing subtopics -- so there is no need for a List of marketing topics (in my opinion anyway). -- Cyan 06:20, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
On second thought, maybe not. There are more than 150 world champions who have fought at HBO!. -- Antonio Bestial One Martin
It's strange that photos of Penis are allowed but photos of Vulva have been removed, though both originate from the same site (alt.sex FAQ, http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altsex/ ) -- 210.214.131.161 18:47, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Can be created a new an.wikipedia.org (Aragonese)? This type of projects can make alive the endangered languages.
Someone's been putting floated DIVs in some history articles with a list of key events. Having a clear list of key points is good -- but the HTML bloat in the source required to produce the float is not worth it in my opinion (see my recent mailing list post on the matter). I've tried an alternative at Taisho period. What do people think? "In Detail" is a really yucky heading, so if anyone can think of better ... please do! -- Tarquin 15:35, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
If you know how to play sheepshead, and you have some spare time, please merge the content of the following pages into the main article and turn them all into redirects. (God knows *I* can't make heads or tails of it at this hour.)
Thanks, Cyan 05:17, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Now, if you go to it.wikipedia.com thaere is another page called ClubHouse. Llull
Any news about the old server? Andres 10:07, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Conversation getting too long. Summarised below and moved to m:Why Wikipedia runs slow. Please continue the discussion there. Angela
Further comments shoud be made at m:Why Wikipedia runs slow
This is probably an inane question, but I am afraid I have to ask it: How can you find an article with an apostrophe in its title? I have finished creating the article "Ramblers' Association", and unless people realise, and there are going to be some who don't realise, the title has an apostrophe, they aren't going to find it. "ramblers association" does not bring it up, neither does "ramblers" nor "rambler". The only time the apostrophed article comes up is if you type in the apo. Am I overlooking something? :) It is the correct title of the organisation. Can someone throw light on this? -- Dieter Simon 18:22, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
What's the policy regarding individual users blanking their own pages? Are users allowed to arbitrarily blank their own talk pages at their own liking? -- Jiang 17:33, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
I know that there is a page somewhere where all redirects are listed--its purpose, as I recall, is to have a way of preventing redirects from being orphaned once all links are re-aimed at the target site. I cannot find it or recall its name for the life of me, and I've just redirected Schoolteacher at Teacher. Jwrosenzweig 21:54, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Part two to my query is this--how can we make such a page easier to find? I've been around for a while, remember its existence, and still can't find it. How would a newcomer, aware of redirects from our FAQ, be made aware? Is there an easy central directory I know nothing about? Is the page's name easy to remember (I had assumed it was Wikipedia:List of redirects or some such thing)? Could we make some mention of the page I'm asking about on Wikipedia:Redirect or is there a good reason not to? Confused but still smiling, Jwrosenzweig
Moved to User_talk:217.35.96.217 and answered request by e-mail.
I think it would be beneficial to have a standard template for creating pages about Cities and other things. Does this concept exist in wiki? I mean when I create a page rather than looking for a page about a city and copying it and then replacing the info with info about the new city, it would be nice if on creation I could say "use City template" and it would insert all the text with fill in the blank information.
This would also make the pages feel consistant.
the default amount displayed in watchlists down to 1 hour? I can see that this might have been done for performance reasons, but it's very irritating, especially as it doesn't remember what alternative I opt for. This should surely be a user preference? GRAHAMUK 02:08, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
As a general question, are trivia items of interest? As a specific question, while some would dislike it, is the trivia item in the history of edits for George W. Bush interesting, useful to this project and appropriate for this project? (partisans, kindly note that I voted neither for nor against the gentelman - I'm not qualified to vote in US elections - it was of interest to me solely as a piece of trivia which some may find of interest).
This was getting far too long for the village pump. A summary is included below. Please add further comments to User talk:Rambot/Random page. Angela 00:06, Sep 12, 2003 (UTC)
Further comments to User talk:Rambot/Random page please.
Good job Angela, this shortened version is great. I love the old comments like "Put it on VfD. It's stupid." and "Ram-Man should make a robot to go and add his pages to the stub page." They didn't seem as funny before when they were wordy. LOL. dave 02:47, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
In testing the latest lastest Mozilla builds, I made a screenshot of Mozilla with a Esperanto Language Pack Installed. I was thinking how neat how the Esperanto team could make use of the screenshot. I would upload it to the Esperanto Wiki myself, but my knowledge of the language is nil (I am interested in learning it, though). If anyone at the Esperanto Wiki wants to use the screenshot, it's here:
http://hoshie.port5.com/esperantomoz.png
It's at the size I took. I have not altered the size.
hoshie 06:19, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Check Byte. Open the page up in an edit window. The page displays two unmatched right square brackets right after the title, but if you punch the "Edit this page" thingummy, there just isn't any reason why those two brackets should appear. Is this a bug, am I seeing some sort of ghost characters... What's going down? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 15:36, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
What about changing the text in the *wikipedia.com:
<<We're sorry, but the server on which this site once lived has failed. We are working on getting the machine back in place. Until then, please accept our heart-felt apologies for the inconvenience>>
for another that indicates the change (while is not possible to redirect). Now, I'm alone in the Catalan one :'( Llull 16:37, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is a pre-20th century painting in public domain?
Could someone inform a new user what is the rule about writers referring to themselves? In my piece on Dirk Hartog I said that I had seen Dirk Hartog's plate in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam last year. This was instantly removed. Is this not a fact that may be of some interest to someone? Who makes these decisions? Dr Adam Carr
Consider wikipedia:make omissions explicit - just add (to be written - biographical information). Martin 15:51, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Please revert the change I made to Wikipedia:Copyright issues. It's not where I intended it to go and I find that my browser is unable to load enough of the page to put it there. Alternatively, if feeling generous, please move the bulk to the bottom of the page or other more suitable location.
Ohhh, you wanted it moved... Ok, done. Dysprosia 10:09, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for the double assistance. JamesDay 10:29, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Once the full Wikipedia is downloaded, can smaller periodic updates covering new stuff and changes be obtained and used to synch the local? -- Ted Clayton 04:26, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Would it be easier to have incremental updates on something like a subscription basis? The server packages dailies or weeklies and shoots them out to everyone on the list? During off hours, mass-mail fashion?
Can you suggest sources or search-terms for table manipulations treatments, as background for stripping and compressing? -- Ted Clayton 03:14, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I think we should rename the village pump. It's meant to be like the office water cooler, right? Don't people talk about TV soaps and stuff round the water cooler, not office work? I've never worked in an office, so I wouldn't know. CGS 15:23, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC).
My wife has seen me reading the village pump and asked whether that means there is a village bicycle. -- Wapcaplet 17:41, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
As a relatively new Wikipedian, I have a suggestion for the old hands... be a bit gentle! To see what I mean have a look at [1].
Now, I'll stick around after such rudeness, but many will not. Hmmm?
Here's a further suggestion... wait at least 60 minutes before reverting or deleting new work unless it's really bad. Look at this history or this one for what I mean. The article in question is still a stub, and will remain one until I do a little more research. But it's a useful one IMO and will grow into a good article in time.
I'm not going to attempt to put Felsen back into the list of people a third time. If the article belongs in Wikipedia, then the name belongs in the list IMO. But some people make a special effort to fix such things and I expect they will find it eventually.
Does the article belong? IMO more than eight million book sales, hundreds of magazine articles and a place in a University archive are a good claim. In fact I think Wikipedia might be the best place to store and find such information.
If not, I guess it will go onto requests for deletion, and I'll have learned something, and no complaints.
Interested (as always) in other opinions and particularly in ways I can and should change my methods of operation to avoid this sort of thing. I know it ain't a perfect world. But I think we can and need to do better than this if we're to encourage new contributors. Andrewa 07:57, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa, firstly welcome to Wikipedia. I've looked at the history and I have to say, I can't see what you're making a fuss about. An 'article' that contains only an external link isn't really an article at all. Far better to put a least a couple of lines of text. Since you did eventually do that, i would say write a two line stub first,offline. Then create the article. Theresa knott 08:46, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa. I got trounced within (what seemed like) minutes of my first efforts when I joined this motley crew a month+ ago (my stub had a whole sentence and was my start for a great article since abandoned; things change). I've come to realize that it is MORE the unexpected shock that someone was actually watching my work and reacting quickly and negatively, and LESS the brutality of it. After a while, you will relax, get used to others walking all over your prose, and get into the swing. Comments of any kind without a smile seem more hurtful than they really are. - Marshman 09:28, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Looking back on what I wrote with regard to the Henry Gregor Felsen article, I came across too rude, and for that I'm sorry, and would like to apologize.
I would appreciate it, however, if Andrewa would realize the situation I was looking at. We do not need "articles" which consist of nothing but a link to an external site. I and most others usually delete these on sight; in this sense I think I was unusually lenient in letting it stay. When I found hardly anything about this person on the web, I suspected I was dealing with another "famous celebrity" along the lines of Daniel C. Boyer. When the author apparently didn't even know how this person's name was spelled, I suspected this article might be someone's idea of a joke.
We get scores of outright garbage "articles" here every day, and most of them look just like this one did when it started out. I see now that this one is legitimate, however it would help things immensely to get an article at least up to stub level before hitting "post". - Hephaestos 19:30, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Newly requesting deletion of User:BuddhaInside and User talk:BuddhaInside. - BuddhaInside
Requesting deletion of my User:BuddhaInside and User talk:BuddhaInside subpages. - BuddhaInside
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Now it won't post no matter how many times I try entering a change into the browser and hitting "Save Page", and I've lost a larger number of Jews that were added into that article, including Josh Server, David Frum, David Horowitz, Leo Ornstein and Robert Ornstein, Lev Davidovich Landau, Jakob Dylan, Evan & Jaron, Abraham Maslow and William Safire (I hope I remembered them all.) For the rest of the day, I'm going to be posting only from Internet Explorer. Wiwaxia 02:39, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
+H1$ W1KIP3DIA 1$ 4we$0ME. m4XiMUm R35pEct tO 3v3ry 0N3 1NVoLVeD. JasonIncarnate 15:18, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC).
This Wikipedia is awesome. Maximum respect to everyone involved. JasonIncarnate 15:18, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC) (translated from leet)
I hope I'm in the right place here but I wanted to inquire as to why exactly a page I created is marked for deletion. The page I am referring to is Richest Canadians
As I am new here I'm not entirely familiar with the rules. However, if the page must be deleted, I'll understand, but I don't really consider an annual event as 'rapid change'.
Some comments:
I think that's often good advice. If you revert a major change a couple of minutes after it's made, then consider if you're spending too much time reverting, and not enough time thinking. Also consider whether you might be hindering more than helping.
An excellent attitude to take: the long term view. Wikipedia is a work in progress, We don't need to have (indeed, couldn't have) every article perfect right now. Many Wikipedians could learn a lot from Andrewa's approach here.
We certainly shouldn't lose sight of the old in the focus on recent changes. Techniques for finding old articles that need editing include Special:Randompage, Special:Ancientpages (actually ancient changes), Wikipedia:Shortpages, wikipedia:duplicate articles, wikipedia:pages needing attention, wikipedia:find or fix a stub, wikipedia:NPOV dispute, etc. Even plain old surfing will get you to articles that need work soon enough.
Part of the answer is that if Haephaestos wants to spend his time inefficiently... well, it's his to waste - as long as it doesn't cause you to waste yours. A second part is that wiki-editing is really efficient in other ways, so a bit of wasted efficiency due to vandalism, or two folks at cross-purposes, isn't a major problem. The third part is that Haephaestos has read your feedback, and will no doubt act a little differently next time.
I think they probably have, which is why it's so important not to bite newcomers. Haephaestos is hardly the worst offender in this regard. Indeed, I was surprised by his initial approach on the Felsen page, as he's normally a model Wikipedian. Unfortunately, our copyeditors, like our authors, are generally human, so this kind of incident does crop up from time to time. :-( Martin 19:59, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Please do not bite the newcomers
As a relatively new Wikipedian, I have a suggestion for the old hands... be a bit gentle! To see what I mean have a look at [2].
Now, I'll stick around after such rudeness, but many will not. Hmmm?
Here's a further suggestion... wait at least 60 minutes before reverting or deleting new work unless it's really bad. Look at this history or this one for what I mean. The article in question is still a stub, and will remain one until I do a little more research. But it's a useful one IMO and will grow into a good article in time.
I'm not going to attempt to put Felsen back into the list of people a third time. If the article belongs in Wikipedia, then the name belongs in the list IMO. But some people make a special effort to fix such things and I expect they will find it eventually.
Does the article belong? IMO more than eight million book sales, hundreds of magazine articles and a place in a University archive are a good claim. In fact I think Wikipedia might be the best place to store and find such information.
If not, I guess it will go onto requests for deletion, and I'll have learned something, and no complaints.
Interested (as always) in other opinions and particularly in ways I can and should change my methods of operation to avoid this sort of thing. I know it ain't a perfect world. But I think we can and need to do better than this if we're to encourage new contributors. Andrewa 07:57, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa, firstly welcome to Wikipedia. I've looked at the history and I have to say, I can't see what you're making a fuss about. An 'article' that contains only an external link isn't really an article at all. Far better to put a least a couple of lines of text. Since you did eventually do that, i would say write a two line stub first,offline. Then create the article. Theresa knott 08:46, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Andrewa. I got trounced within (what seemed like) minutes of my first efforts when I joined this motley crew a month+ ago (my stub had a whole sentence and was my start for a great article since abandoned; things change). I've come to realize that it is MORE the unexpected shock that someone was actually watching my work and reacting quickly and negatively, and LESS the brutality of it. After a while, you will relax, get used to others walking all over your prose, and get into the swing. Comments of any kind without a smile seem more hurtful than they really are. - Marshman 09:28, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Looking back on what I wrote with regard to the Henry Gregor Felsen article, I came across too rude, and for that I'm sorry, and would like to apologize.
I would appreciate it, however, if Andrewa would realize the situation I was looking at. We do not need "articles" which consist of nothing but a link to an external site. I and most others usually delete these on sight; in this sense I think I was unusually lenient in letting it stay. When I found hardly anything about this person on the web, I suspected I was dealing with another "famous celebrity" along the lines of Daniel C. Boyer. When the author apparently didn't even know how this person's name was spelled, I suspected this article might be someone's idea of a joke.
We get scores of outright garbage "articles" here every day, and most of them look just like this one did when it started out. I see now that this one is legitimate, however it would help things immensely to get an article at least up to stub level before hitting "post". - Hephaestos 19:30, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Marketocracy--this article looks like an ad to me.
Folks, what's our policy on "telling tales" (I can't think of a better term) on our misguided schoolkid vandals? Just as an example, I was looking at (porn-link) vandalism done my someone at IP [ http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=205.174.111.220 205.174.111.220 ], which resolves to a Pennsylvanian school district, and already reverted by the dedicated User:Ahoerstemeier :). Do we have a policy of sending the net admin for such an address a (hopefully mild) nastygram, or do we just let it lie? If we do, can someone point me to the policy page, and if we don't - should we? (In the latter case, I'd gladly draft a gentle nastygram for communal approval).
Anyone know why Isis left exactly? For wikihistory.- 戴眩sv 05:30, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
Move to Wikipedia talk:Redirect or remove
Is there any reason why redirects are generally put in capital letters? I mean, most redirects since I arrived here have been in the form "#REDIRECT foo" rather than "#redirect foo", and that being the prevailing way of doing things has led me to do it like that as well. But is there any practical reason for it, or was there ever? -- Camembert
delete
I think we should rename the village pump. It's meant to be like the office water cooler, right? Don't people talk about TV soaps and stuff round the water cooler, not office work? I've never worked in an office, so I wouldn't know. CGS 15:23, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC).
My wife has seen me reading the village pump and asked whether that means there is a village bicycle. -- Wapcaplet 17:41, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I met a man the other day whose surname is Souliere, which suggests that perhaps an ancestor was a cobbler. "No", he said,"the word 'souliere' is not in the dictionary." - and he's right. So I went to google and entered "souliere" and came up with a genealogy site which led toQuebec.
Question:Is souliere a French-Canadian coinage, meaning cobbler? I bet that it is, but I couldn't find an appropriate dictionary.
ss: stonetps@AOL.com
Hi,
I normally like to use Mozilla Firebird, on my Microsoft Windows 98 operating system.
However, whenever I try to login to Wikipedia using Mozilla Firebird, I momentarily succeed and then have to re-login again. Essentially, I cannot conduct Wiki-business as an identified user.
So now I must use MS Explorer for the Wikipedia, even though I prefer Mozilla Firebird. Any solutions, ideas, suggestions?
Thanks, Guppy
thanks Brion, Finlay, and CGS...*sheepish grin* i had turned on the cookies, but did not delete the list of previously-banned cookie sites on my browser. *scratches head and looks around* ...can we delete this exchange now? - Guppy
Angela has asked that personal subpage deletion requests be posted here instead of in Wikipedia:Personal subpages to be deleted:
Translation: This Wikipedia is awesome. Maximum respect to everyone involved. JasonIncarnate 15:18, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC) (translated from leet)
move to Wikipedia talk:Database download
Once the full Wikipedia is downloaded, can smaller periodic updates covering new stuff and changes be obtained and used to synch the local? -- Ted Clayton 04:26, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Would it be easier to have incremental updates on something like a subscription basis? The server packages dailies or weeklies and shoots them out to everyone on the list? During off hours, mass-mail fashion?
Can you suggest sources or search-terms for table manipulations treatments, as background for stripping and compressing? -- Ted Clayton 03:14, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights Is a pre-20th century painting in public domain?
delete
Anyone know why Isis left exactly? For wikihistory.- 戴眩sv 05:30, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:Make omissions explicit
Could someone inform a new user what is the rule about writers referring to themselves? In my piece on Dirk Hartog I said that I had seen Dirk Hartog's plate in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam last year. This was instantly removed. Is this not a fact that may be of some interest to someone? Who makes these decisions? Dr Adam Carr
Consider wikipedia:make omissions explicit - just add (to be written - biographical information). Martin 15:51, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Could someone please explain how the vast majority of souls can "only go to that reforming place" for a short while, while the reward of an afterlife with God is not guaranteed.
According to the Kabbalah, (not a universally-accepted work) G-d judges who has followed His commandments and who doesn't and to what extent. Those who do not "pass the test" go to a purifying place called Sheol lit. gloom (sometimes called Purgatory, sometimes called Hell) to "learn their lesson". There is , however, for the most part, no eternal damnation. The vast majority of souls can only go to that refoming place for a limited amount of time (less than one year).
The concept of "life after death" in the Jewish view is therefore fuzzy, but whatever its nature, is a reward from God, not a punishment, and is not guaranteed to everyone. Jews are encouraged to concentrate more on the life they live now than on a possible afterlife, and to ritually remember (yizkor) those loved ones who have died, as an important (and possibly the only) form of continuation for their lives.
I logged in to make some additions to the List of Jews today. I know I got on in my AOL browser instead of the "Internet Explorer" browser I usually use, but still . . . After I edited the page, I got this screen:
User is blocked From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Return to Main Page.
What does this mean?
Now it won't post no matter how many times I try entering a change into the browser and hitting "Save Page", and I've lost a larger number of Jews that were added into that article, including Josh Server, David Frum, David Horowitz, Leo Ornstein and Robert Ornstein, Lev Davidovich Landau, Jakob Dylan, Evan & Jaron, Abraham Maslow and William Safire (I hope I remembered them all.) For the rest of the day, I'm going to be posting only from Internet Explorer. Wiwaxia 02:39, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
"There is no automated purging of the list of blocked IPs". There will be soon. I've just put my enhanced blocking code into the "stable" version of our software, so it's now ready to go live. It'll probably be up within a couple of days.
This has been previously discussed on wikitech-l and wikien-l. -- Tim Starling 14:39, Sep 15, 2003 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump/September 2003 archive 1
What is Wikipedia style for personal pronouns used for countries? For instance on the French Fifth Republic page, the feminine pronouns are used (presumably because la France is feminine in French) but in United States, the neuter pronouns are used. I don't have a stylebook on me now, but I believe AP style says neuter. If we don't already have a style it seems that that's what it should be. Basil Fawlty 16:00, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Where can I find information about fair use for images on wikipedia ? Anthère
Whatever happened to the 9/11 wiki? I thought it had been set up and the tribute articles moved there, but then I found Lorraine G. Bay on the Ancient Pages list. Why are these articles still here? Tuf-Kat 21:02, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
delete when fixed
What about changing the text in the *wikipedia.com:
<<We're sorry, but the server on which this site once lived has failed. We are working on getting the machine back in place. Until then, please accept our heart-felt apologies for the inconvenience>>
for another that indicates the change (while is not possible to redirect). Now, I'm alone in the Catalan one :'( Llull 16:37, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to Wikipedia talk:image use policy/copyright Is a pre-20th century painting in public domain?
Isn't copyright life+70 years now? [7] -- Nelson 01:31, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
do people think the table of contents [showhide] thing should be displayed when looking at a printable version of something?
On paper, it's pretty easy just to scan an article for the headings you want without needing a toc. Tristanb 10:01, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is it me or is the page for Louis XIV a bit... er... let's say sketchy and a bit shoddily written? Anybody feels like making up something better (maybe copying an Old Encyclopedia)? :-) David.Monniaux 23:03, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
move to wikipedia:dealing with vandalism
Folks, what's our policy on "telling tales" (I can't think of a better term) on our misguided schoolkid vandals? Just as an example, I was looking at (porn-link) vandalism done my someone at IP [ http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=205.174.111.220 205.174.111.220 ], which resolves to a Pennsylvanian school district, and already reverted by the dedicated User:Ahoerstemeier :). Do we have a policy of sending the net admin for such an address a (hopefully mild) nastygram, or do we just let it lie? If we do, can someone point me to the policy page, and if we don't - should we? (In the latter case, I'd gladly draft a gentle nastygram for communal approval). Finlay McWalter 21:33, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
It has been to some extent, a practice of some builders of the Wikipedia that articles should appear magically, out of thin air, as works which are somewhat complete. See stubs for the comment that "A stub on Wikipedia is a very short article, generally of one paragraph or less. Most Wikipedians hate stubs, which is undeserved". This practice is harmful in part for the following reasons:
Prompted by the delete mentioned in User_talk:JamesDay, which seems to have deleted something which was of use - though for reasons the people doing the deleting probably weren't aware of. Hence this post. Please consider changing a page to a valid stub or listing it for deletion if you don't trust that someone who says they have created a page for a purpose will complete the stated purpose and produce a viable page within seven days. Otherwise you're getting in the way of building articles, not helping by cleaning up permanently blank things.
I don't much like building in talk but it's the best cooperative building place short of the main article... unless someone has a better idea for a location than the user pages of multiple contributors, which will also keep the page evolution with the page which is being built? JamesDay 03:05, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I support allowing people to create their stubs from scratch. I'd suggest a simple modificiation of deletion policy to add "don't delete pages (or list them on VfD) that are younger than an hour, except for vandalism". Martin 08:34, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This is kind of a bunch of nonsense. There is a clear line between what is a stub, what is vandalism, etc. Clearly no stub should just contain a line that says this is a stub. It can have nothing in the body except langalinks for all I care. <rant> But to suggest--as Chadloder did on my talk, that seeding an article with a sentence or a paragraph is somehow a crime to be punished is a complete load of crap. The problem again is related to the m:academic standards kick -- a variant, actually -- the m:anal perfectionism trip, which is essentially a call for increased quality of articles from people who themselves cant write such articles. We do what we can-- a stub if its interesting can become an article quickly-- others will remain stubs for a hundred and twenty seven years, simply because noone has been interested enough to finish it. Remember children -- the problem with stubs isnt that they exist-- its that the gripey people who happen to look at them dont know what to add to them, or are too lazy to research it. 戴眩sv 08:50, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC) </rant>
Regarding forgetting to come back to articles: the way I found this 8 hour old article was by looking through Special:Newpages. 50 entries on Special:Newpages takes you back about 2-4 hours. I often look back over the last 200 or so new articles. Personally I find weeding is much more productive in that area -- there's still plenty of wikification, stub warnings, VFD listings, etc. to do, but you don't have to put up with the constant edit conflicts you get when you edit in the top ~30 entries of RC. -- Tim Starling 01:53, Sep 18, 2003 (UTC)
Is it fair to write that the primary reason for wanting to delete in hours rather than weeks is the technical issue of how to find the pages if the creator doesn't have good intent? Any other reasons or is this just that technical one causing people to assume ill intent because of the overhead of waiting to find out if it was? Given the technical issues, I don't see a lot of point in one hour rather than ten minutes - one hour won't gain much for a deliberate work in progress.
Any comments on changing the delete guidance to include this as a possible course of action:
'If an article is short or empty, consider forming an opinion on whether the creator is intending to expand the work within a few days or a week. If yes, consider making the insufficient article a stub and possibly listing in VfD. If there is an explicit statement that the creator has deliberately created it as a work in progress, that strongly suggests interrupted or cooperative work, so good intent and a stub without VfD is preferred.'
What changes, if any, to Wikipedia:Blankpages and Wikipedia:Short articles would be needed to make this a non-issue and assume goodwill in all cases? JamesDay 09:03, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
If you're forever telling people to clear their cache to see if problems they report actually exist, you can now tell them to Wikipedia:Clear your cache. CGS 22:31, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC).
Whatever happened to the image of Frederick Jackson Turner which I uploaded months ago? It's just not there, but the file still exists -- without an upload date though. I tried to upload the same (I think) picture again some minutes ago, but still no result. Who can help? -- KF 22:13, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Are others experiencing extremely long response time? I've been sitting on three other pages waiting for over 5 minutes for them to return to Recent Changes. I have also gotten "Page cannot be found" several times tonight. RickK 03:10, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump/September 2003 archive 1
I have found some nodes on Everything2 that I'd like to (partially) copy to a WP article. Is this permissible by copyright? (I didn't write the E2 content.) What attribution would I need to use? -- bdesham 02:12, Sep 15, 2003 (UTC)
This may be a stupid question but; when Google and sites like Onelook update themselves regarding to wikipedia content, does it have an significant effect on the server performance and response time? -- Skysmith 11:52, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I would like a second opinion on what counts as 'advertising.' I added external links in relevant places ('Babel', 'Tower of Babel', 'Languages' etc.) to my non-commercial website (towerofbabel.com) which is actually another multilingual project similar to Wikipedia named Babel (and if you are familiar with the myth of the tower of Babel you would understand its relevance, because the entire je nais se quoi is based on the paradigm of the myth.) I fail to see how these links would be construed as 'irrelevant' or as 'advertising.' I assume the person who deleted my external links didn't even bother to look at the site.
In the Catalan Wikipedia we have more than 60 wrong pages that we want to delete but nobody can do it. Where I have to request the permition? Llull 18:26, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)
In the page on "association", I see something about associations being some "nominate" contract in "the civil law system".
It's a bit misleading to talk of "THE" civil law system. There are dozens of civil law systems, and I suspect that their laws on corporations vary greatly.
I think one should be very prudent before stating general facts. If you are sure that what you say applies in a certain country, say it; but avoid drawing broad generalities.
It's especially easy to say untruths on questions of law if one bases oneself on reports in the press. Journalists are often thoroughly incompetent in the law of their own country, let's not even talk of the laws of other countries.
The IP block feature seems to be malfunctioning, I'v been trying to block an IP adress but it just says "No user of this name exists" whenever I try to submit it G-Man 20:59, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I've just found the entire text of a small Wikipedia article I wrote replicated on another site http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Pali-Text-Society plagiarists. While I'm not concerned about my own copyright, I wonder what the attitude to this sort of blatant plagiarism is? I emailled them and told them they should at least acknowledge that they got the text from Wikipedia. Mahaabaala 10:07, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
When I looked into the "Newly created pages" a few minutes ago, I found this entry:
04:20, 24 Sep 2003 Perspective (12089 bytes) . . 142.177.92.68 (needs headings)
Looking into perspective, it indeed seems that the page history goes no further back than two edits, which seems plain impossible, given the rather developed state of the article, the number of links to it etc. Is this a known problem? Kosebamse 08:56, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I was moving My Travel/Premiair to My Travel and got this error message:
-- Cyan 21:26, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I've decided to tackle a requested article: List of asteroids in our Solar System. Currently I've only put ten asteroids into the article, to see how it looks. As this is a massive article which will take much time over the next few months (it's a little tedious...can't say I'll be slaving at it hours at a time), I want to make sure people like what I've got up. If someone has a simple suggestion, I'm happy to take it. If you've got a complex suggestion....hey, I'd be happy if someone helped me with this. :) Anyway, look at the article if you have the chance, and please drop a note on its talk page or mine to tell me how it looks. I appreciate it! Jwrosenzweig 23:09, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)