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Comment: Please clarify what "one link" means since my assumptions have been reverted and it isn't clear what you are grouping here. Several of these have more than one link. -
2pou (
talk)
23:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
the general rule for navboxes is 4 or 5 articles. if there are 4 or 5 articles, then I think a footer navbox would work. otherwise, a "see also" section works fine.
Frietjes (
talk)
14:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substitute and delete - While the function of navigational assistance obviously isn't useful, there is another function to these, as they provide a quick at-a-glance description that tells the reader what sports are supported in a given club. Whether there is a page for each division or not, the different sports supported is still encyclopedic information. Now if it's only transcluded by one or two pages, we obviously don't need a template, but substituting it solves that problem. That said, is it worth generating a {{Athletic club departments}} / {{Sports club departments}} template that is Subst only so these can be generated easier and provide clear documentation? -
2pou (
talk)
23:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substituting won't do any good. How would having a bunch of red links or links to a general article provide any use to an article when there is nothing to see in the first place or related to the subject? Sidebars are meant to provide navigation. None of these templates and the ones below satisfy the rule of thumb at all. Nor would substituting. There is no information that would serve any value from any of these sidebars at the moment. It would just clutter the article. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk)
00:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)reply
I’m not saying that you need to keep a bunch of red links. Cases for when a red link should or shouldn’t be present in any article text should still apply. I’m simply saying that if you have something like {{Aston Villa departments}} written out on three different pages, you give someone easy access to seeing what major divisions there are. Even if that information were not in the form of a link and would be text only, that seems (to me) like useful information up front. Similar to television show infoboxes and spinoff shows. Now how that might be done technically to generate simple boxed text and images, I don’t have the technical expertise. If a simple substitution won’t do the job, this becomes a bit moot. -
2pou (
talk)
00:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Comment: Please clarify what "two links" means since my assumptions have been reverted and it isn't clear what you are grouping here. Several of these have more than two links. -
2pou (
talk)
23:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substitute and delete - While the function of navigational assistance obviously isn't useful, there is another function to these, as they provide a quick at-a-glance description that tells the reader what sports are supported in a given club. Whether there is a page for each division or not, the different sports supported is still encyclopedic information. Now if it's only transcluded by one or two pages, we obviously don't need a template, but substituting it solves that problem. That said, is it worth generating a {{Athletic club departments}} / {{Sports club departments}} template that is Subst only so these can be generated easier and provide clear documentation? -
2pou (
talk)
23:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Comment: Please clarify what "three links" means since my assumptions have been reverted and it isn't clear what you are grouping here. Several of these have more than three links. -
2pou (
talk)
23:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substitute and delete - While the function of navigational assistance obviously isn't useful, there is another function to these, as they provide a quick at-a-glance description that tells the reader what sports are supported in a given club. Whether there is a page for each division or not, the different sports supported is still encyclopedic information. Now if it's only transcluded by one or two pages, we obviously don't need a template, but substituting it solves that problem. That said, is it worth generating a {{Athletic club departments}} / {{Sports club departments}} template that is Subst only so these can be generated easier and provide clear documentation? -
2pou (
talk)
23:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Keep and add to
WP:TMC. I had no idea this even existed because almost nothing links to it. I think this template would be useful for someone looking for a second opinion while working on a
WP:GA nomination. It can also be used for regular edits as well, but I wouldn't recommend obscure page use. The template should also be treated like
Template:Under construction "If this template page has not been edited in several days, please remove this template.". In the end... its worth giving this template a chance to be seen before making a judgement about how
WP:USEFUL it is. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
17:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I think keep and add to
WP:TMC per User:Knowledgekid87. I think the problem here is lack of visibility rather than lack of utility. I could see a case for a bot task notifying applicable WikiProjects whenever the template is newly placed, since "hey I just did a major update on this article everything look ok?" is a type of manual notification I sometimes see in the same context. Also agree with 67 above that
User:AnomieBOT should probably remove these after a set time period.
Folly Mox (
talk)
21:26, 4 September 2023 (UTC)reply
With all due respect, could you provide some reasoning behind your opinion? I know
WP:USEFUL applies to articles, but the following still can apply here: "Remember, you need to say why the article is useful or useless; this way other editors can judge whether it's useful and encyclopedic, and whether it meets Wikipedia's policies. Without that explanation, it does not make a valid argument." -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
13:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Comment: Please clarify what "one link" means since my assumptions have been reverted and it isn't clear what you are grouping here. Several of these have more than one link. -
2pou (
talk)
23:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
the general rule for navboxes is 4 or 5 articles. if there are 4 or 5 articles, then I think a footer navbox would work. otherwise, a "see also" section works fine.
Frietjes (
talk)
14:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substitute and delete - While the function of navigational assistance obviously isn't useful, there is another function to these, as they provide a quick at-a-glance description that tells the reader what sports are supported in a given club. Whether there is a page for each division or not, the different sports supported is still encyclopedic information. Now if it's only transcluded by one or two pages, we obviously don't need a template, but substituting it solves that problem. That said, is it worth generating a {{Athletic club departments}} / {{Sports club departments}} template that is Subst only so these can be generated easier and provide clear documentation? -
2pou (
talk)
23:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substituting won't do any good. How would having a bunch of red links or links to a general article provide any use to an article when there is nothing to see in the first place or related to the subject? Sidebars are meant to provide navigation. None of these templates and the ones below satisfy the rule of thumb at all. Nor would substituting. There is no information that would serve any value from any of these sidebars at the moment. It would just clutter the article. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk)
00:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)reply
I’m not saying that you need to keep a bunch of red links. Cases for when a red link should or shouldn’t be present in any article text should still apply. I’m simply saying that if you have something like {{Aston Villa departments}} written out on three different pages, you give someone easy access to seeing what major divisions there are. Even if that information were not in the form of a link and would be text only, that seems (to me) like useful information up front. Similar to television show infoboxes and spinoff shows. Now how that might be done technically to generate simple boxed text and images, I don’t have the technical expertise. If a simple substitution won’t do the job, this becomes a bit moot. -
2pou (
talk)
00:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Comment: Please clarify what "two links" means since my assumptions have been reverted and it isn't clear what you are grouping here. Several of these have more than two links. -
2pou (
talk)
23:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substitute and delete - While the function of navigational assistance obviously isn't useful, there is another function to these, as they provide a quick at-a-glance description that tells the reader what sports are supported in a given club. Whether there is a page for each division or not, the different sports supported is still encyclopedic information. Now if it's only transcluded by one or two pages, we obviously don't need a template, but substituting it solves that problem. That said, is it worth generating a {{Athletic club departments}} / {{Sports club departments}} template that is Subst only so these can be generated easier and provide clear documentation? -
2pou (
talk)
23:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Comment: Please clarify what "three links" means since my assumptions have been reverted and it isn't clear what you are grouping here. Several of these have more than three links. -
2pou (
talk)
23:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Substitute and delete - While the function of navigational assistance obviously isn't useful, there is another function to these, as they provide a quick at-a-glance description that tells the reader what sports are supported in a given club. Whether there is a page for each division or not, the different sports supported is still encyclopedic information. Now if it's only transcluded by one or two pages, we obviously don't need a template, but substituting it solves that problem. That said, is it worth generating a {{Athletic club departments}} / {{Sports club departments}} template that is Subst only so these can be generated easier and provide clear documentation? -
2pou (
talk)
23:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Keep and add to
WP:TMC. I had no idea this even existed because almost nothing links to it. I think this template would be useful for someone looking for a second opinion while working on a
WP:GA nomination. It can also be used for regular edits as well, but I wouldn't recommend obscure page use. The template should also be treated like
Template:Under construction "If this template page has not been edited in several days, please remove this template.". In the end... its worth giving this template a chance to be seen before making a judgement about how
WP:USEFUL it is. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
17:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I think keep and add to
WP:TMC per User:Knowledgekid87. I think the problem here is lack of visibility rather than lack of utility. I could see a case for a bot task notifying applicable WikiProjects whenever the template is newly placed, since "hey I just did a major update on this article everything look ok?" is a type of manual notification I sometimes see in the same context. Also agree with 67 above that
User:AnomieBOT should probably remove these after a set time period.
Folly Mox (
talk)
21:26, 4 September 2023 (UTC)reply
With all due respect, could you provide some reasoning behind your opinion? I know
WP:USEFUL applies to articles, but the following still can apply here: "Remember, you need to say why the article is useful or useless; this way other editors can judge whether it's useful and encyclopedic, and whether it meets Wikipedia's policies. Without that explanation, it does not make a valid argument." -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
13:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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